[X-Offender]

I disagree with that bold part. How Ronaldinho plays is a HUGE influence on how the midfield plays. To who are the midfielders going to pass most of the times? Ronaldinho. If he is marked out, rarely can receive the ball, the midfield lost their main focus point when it comes to passing the ball to when they have it. So they keep the ball longer, lose the ball more often, etc. because of it. If the AMC is being marked, midfield have got a serious problem, and the forwards will rarely see the ball then, because the AMC is key in getting the ball to the forwards.

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[han2503]

I disagree with that bold part. How Ronaldinho plays is a HUGE influence on how the midfield plays. To who are the midfielders going to pass most of the times? Ronaldinho. If he is marked out, rarely can receive the ball, the midfield lost their main focus point when it comes to passing the ball to when they have it. So they keep the ball longer, lose the ball more often, etc. because of it. If the AMC is being marked, midfield have got a serious problem, and the forwards will rarely see the ball then, because the AMC is key in getting the ball to the forwards.

Pirlo is the main focus of our midfield, and if Robinho is drifting in and out of the game he won't help much either. Look at the game vs Juve, it looked like he wasn't even on the pitch most of the time, and if Dinho is marked, no one can hold the ball better then him, he will allow the other mids to come into the game, maybe he won't be as effective as we'd like him to be, but it's better then playing virtually with a man down, like we did against Juve

[CHU-LIP]

Pirlo is the main focus of our midfield, and if Robinho is drifting in and out of the game he won't help much either. Look at the game vs Juve, it looked like he wasn't even on the pitch most of the time, and if Dinho is marked, no one can hold the ball better then him, he will allow the other mids to come into the game, maybe he won't be as effective as we'd like him to be, but it's better then playing virtually with a man down, like we did against Juve

Pirlo is (also a/)the main focus point, true, but Pirlo is part of that midfield and he is the one who will do the passing to Ronaldinho etc most of the times but not only he. Anyway, it should be clear that the performance of the AMC affects the performances of the (other) midfielders.

About Robinho, I cannot disagree he is far from an ideal fit as AMC either. Really sad what options we have got for our AMC spot, such a key position (usual the star - the most influential player - of a team plays there). I still like to see more of Robinho first, surely I don't like to see Ronaldinho today since I have lots of bad memories of it (pwned last match vs Real, pwned twice by Inter last season, and of course others were bad too, but Ronaldinho is no exception and I have little hope it will be better today). I am talking about tough matches vs Mourinho. Ronaldinho against Bari would be a good option, I believe.

[han2503]

Pirlo is (also a/)the main focus point, true, but Pirlo is part of that midfield and he is the one who will do the passing to Ronaldinho etc most of the times but not only he. Anyway, it should be clear that the performance of the AMC affects the performances of the (other) midfielders.

About Robinho, I cannot disagree he is far from an ideal fit as AMC either. Really sad what options we have got for our AMC spot, such a key position (usual the star - the most influential player - of a team plays there). I still like to see more of Robinho first, surely I don't like to see Ronaldinho today since I have lots of bad memories of it (pwned last match vs Real, pwned twice by Inter last season, and of course others were bad too, but Ronaldinho is no exception and I have little hope it will be better today). I am talking about tough matches vs Mourinho. Ronaldinho against Bari would be a good option, I believe.

Come on!! You're still on about that? Ronaldinho was not out problem in those matches, far from it, yes he was part of the large problem but the real ones were as usual the defence and central midfield. Janku having a nightmare against Maicon last season and then Rino getting sent off early in the first half. The season before that we won the home game thanks to Dinho's goal and the second game we lost, but it was a balanced game

I think you're focusing too much on Dinho here, you say that it's the most important position, yet you want Robs playing there? Ronaldinho is not a pure AM but he's closer to it then Robinho ever was, also the AM is not the most important component either, and imo you've got it backwards, the AM can only perform if the midfield behind him is playing well, giving him the ball and helping keep possession. Not the other way around

[X-Offender]

I'd bet ya Allegri was going to play Robinho, but then Berlusca called and told him to play Dinho or he'd be sacked. Word.

[CHU-LIP]

Come on!! You're still on about that? Ronaldinho was not out problem in those matches, far from it, yes he was part of the large problem but the real ones were as usual the defence and central midfield. Janku having a nightmare against Maicon last season and then Rino getting sent off early in the first half. The season before that we won the home game thanks to Dinho's goal and the second game we lost, but it was a balanced game

I think you're focuing too much on Dinho hear, you say that it's the most important position, yet you want Robs playing there? Ronaldinho is not a pure AM but he's closer to it then Robinho ever was, also the AM is not the most important component either, and imo you've got it backwards, the AM can only perform if the midfield behind him is playing well, giving him the ball and helping keep possession. Not the other way around

I almost added Jankulovski as an example, yes. Of course there were several problems, but to say Ronaldinho is far from it is just not true IMO. He doesn't help our midfield to face the other team's midfield, playing him gave unbalance and there was a lack of benefit playing him, it was surely a problem too.

Nah, I didn't mean to say it's the most important position. I believe central defense is, but it is a very important position (I said the star of a team is the most influential player which can be the AMC, maybe I was not very clear here). When it comes to OUR midfield (including AMC) Pirlo('s position) is most important/influential, I believe.

[han2503]

I almost added Jankulovski as an example, yes. Of course there were several problems, but to say Ronaldinho is far from it is just not true IMO. He doesn't help our midfield to face the other team's midfield, playing him gave unbalance and there was a lack of benefit playing him, it was surely a problem too.

Nah, I didn't mean to say it's the most important position. I believe central defense is, but it is a very important position (I said the star of a team is the most influential player which can be the AMC, maybe I was not very clear here). When it comes to OUR midfield (including AMC) Pirlo('s position) is most important/influential, I believe.

The problem with the unbalance there was that we were playing a 4-3-3 against Inters powerful midfield, Dinho was part of the 3 man attack. Yes him not dropping deep enough was a problem but not a main one like you're saying. The problm was playing a Rino-Pirlo-Seedorf against Inter's Cambiasso, Zanetti, Muntari/Stankovic trio. It was plain suicide, and underlined Leo's shortcoming's as a coach. But to blame it all on Dinho, which you've done repeatedly now, is just far from the truth

[han2503]

I'd bet ya Allegri was going to play Robinho, but then Berlusca called and told him to play Dinho or he'd be sacked. Word.

After the mess he saw against Juve I wouldn't blame him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Hopefully he pulled his ear about Flamini as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

MILAN-REAL MADRID: LA FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI

MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta; Boateng, Pirlo, Gattuso; Ronaldinho; Ibrahimovic, Pato.
REAL MADRID: Casillas; S.Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Marcelo; Xabi Alonso, Khedira; C. Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria; Higuain.

[han2503]

MILAN-REAL MADRID: LA FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI

MILAN: Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Zambrotta; Boateng, Pirlo, Gattuso; Ronaldinho; Ibrahimovic, Pato.
REAL MADRID: Casillas; S.Ramos, Pepe, Carvalho, Marcelo; Xabi Alonso, Khedira; C. Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria; Higuain.

Wow!! So he dropped Antonini for Abate!! What an idiot!!! I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. Abate wil get KILLED out there. No way he can handle either one of Real's forwards.

So Antonini can't make a mistake, but it's ok for Rino to suck big time but still get the start (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

After the mess he saw against Juve I wouldn't blame him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Hopefully he pulled his ear about Flamini as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

It's just one match. Don't be so hard on the guy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No way Berlusconi will make the coach play Flamini, maybe the opposite is true.

Wow!! So he dropped Antonini for Abate!! What an idiot!!! I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. Abate wil get KILLED out there. No way he can handle either one of Real's forwards.

So Antonini can't make a mistake, but it's ok for Rino to suck big time but still get the start (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Antonini deserves to be benched, he has been bad for some time now. Antonini has been the cause of goals so often now, but it seems like you don't remember that, and what has Abate been causing this season so far? Abate has been better than Antonini this season.

Rino, okay, I know your story about him, but to say he suck big time is simply too wrong to say! He plays well this season, and against a tough side like Real, I want to see our best / most in form DM.

[Fillipo Simone]

Sorry guys, I'm always up to a good discussion, but this AM talk and wether Dinho is good or not and wether Robinho can be a AM is getting a bit tiresome.

[han2503]

It's just one match. Don't be so hard on the guy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No way Berlusconi will make the coach play Flamini, maybe the opposite is true.

It wasn't really his fault, I'm not saying it is, but again it's playing someone out of position and him not delivering because of that.

Antonini deserves to be benched, he has been bad for some time now. Antonini has been the cause of goals so often now, but it seems like you don't remember that, and what has Abate been causing this season so far? Abate has been better than Antonini this season.

Rino, okay, I know your story about him, but to say he suck big time is simply too wrong to say! He plays well this season, and against a tough side like Real, I want to see our best / most in form DM.

Antonini made a mistake against Juve yes, but I trust him a million times more then Abate, and how can ou say that Abate has been having a good season when he's barely even played lately? Abate is a disaster waiting to happen, you think Antonini is a problem? Antonini is a stable FB next to Abate, who is anything but that! The only thing I remember Abate doing this season is coming on and instantly screwing up by trying to pass back to Nesta with a stupid soft header that nearly let the striker through on goal. I think it was against Lazio, not 100% sure.

Rino is the most in form DM? This Rino is a form of ridicule to the old Rino. Now that was a Rino I'd want playing today. Now this Rino, he just looks so indiscaplined, lost and awkward on the pitch, he's lost all his agility and speed, players usually breaze past him with no trouble, I've seen him getting nutmegged by Serie B level players. We don't need that against Real, at least if you're not going to give Flamini the chance let Ambro play, who I begrudgingly admit is a lot better then Rino these days

[Dracoris]

Sorry guys, I'm always up to a good discussion, but this AM talk and wether Dinho is good or not and wether Robinho can be a AM is getting a bit tiresome.

+1.

[CHU-LIP]

The problem with the unbalance there was that we were playing a 4-3-3 against Inters powerful midfield, Dinho was part of the 3 man attack. Yes him not dropping deep enough was a problem but not a main one like you're saying. The problm was playing a Rino-Pirlo-Seedorf against Inter's Cambiasso, Zanetti, Muntari/Stankovic trio. It was plain suicide, and underlined Leo's shortcoming's as a coach. But to blame it all on Dinho, which you've done repeatedly now, is just far from the truth

I don't blame it all on Ronaldinho. Because I agree Rino-Pirlo-Seedorf midfield is a big problem against top oppositions, but this is something you and I agree with, so I don't have to say it as often. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Like you say, the 4-3-3 with no one dropping back is a problem, difference is I find it a bigger problem than you do. But Pirlo and (meh) Seedorf behind 3 attackers like that, yep, that is surely a big problem. We were too unbalanced yes, that was a huge problem, indeed Seedorf playing a role, but also Ronaldinho, and not so much 1 single player, but mostly playing too many of such. Today we at least play with Boateng instead of Seedorf, so it could work now. Hopefully Ronaldinho will have a good match, this will be key in our chances beating Real. Forza Ronaldinho! FORZA MILAN!

(Don't worry, Fillipo, I tried my best with this post to end the discussion - at least for now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )