[han2503]

Agreed Dracoris

Also if Allegri wants to explore an option without Seedorf and Dinho, I would really like to see this. Pirlo will get free reign in midfield, while Robinho can drift back in his favourite position while Pato and Ibra can drift closer to goal, with Ibra acting as the target an Pato can play off of.

I don't want to see Pato stuck on that wing though

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[kurtsimonw]

Agreed Dracoris

Also if Allegri wants to explore an option without Seedorf and Dinho, I would really like to see this. Pirlo will get free reign in midfield, while Robinho can drift back in his favourite position while Pato and Ibra can drift closer to goal, with Ibra acting as the target an Pato can play off of.

I don't want to see Pato stuck on that wing though

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THIS.

[vnata001]

+1 to Han and Dracoris. I'll take Dracoris' to start with, but would like to see Han's in the longer term.

Sparrow, we know Berlusconi mouths off about fantasy football blah blah. But we should start winning consistently before we can even think about playing champagne football, no? And by no stretch of the imagination are we going to win consistently with Zee as a starter. Let's no longer refer to Seedorf as a "star", as he hasn't been one by any stretch of the imagination for most of the last 3-4 years. He needs to become "super sub", and nothing more. Seedorf's star is fading, and KPB is a star in the making.

[Zed.D]

Massimiliano Allegri will wield the axe after Tuesday's 2-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the Champions League.

Thursday 21 October, 2010
Milan set for revolution

La Gazzetta dello Sport understands Allegri feels that the attacking formation Milan have recently used is no longer sustainable, especially at the highest level.

No one is untouchable as far as Allegri is concerned, as he now seeks to line up a more balanced starting XI.

This appears to bring an end to seeing Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Alexandre Pato, Ronaldinho and Clarence Seedorf all playing together from the start.

Il Corriere della Sera believes Seedorf or Ronaldinho are at risk of spending more time on the bench because of their lack of dynamism.

Mathieu Flamini and Kevin-Prince Boateng are being readied for this weekend's clash with Napoli precisely because of their stamina and running ability.

It remains to be seen how Milan patron Silvio Berlusconi digests Allegri's plans to tone down the team in terms of attack.

Berlusconi has repeatedly expressed his belief that all of Milan's attacking players can be on the pitch at the same time.

Source: Football Italia

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I may be one of the few who still believe Allegri has something more than what most of you currently see. If this piece of news turns out to be true, then you may be proved wrong with you early conclusions about this guy. I believe all this while, he's been pressured to play all the stars together. However, this left the team severely handicapped as proved in Madrid. So after the beating we took in Madrid, I think he will finally create a balanced team that will compete far in both competitions. As most of us have noted, Flamini and Boateng are the ones who should be regulars; while Gattuso and Seedorf would make great subs.

I've been thinking, how can someone who's won 2 consecutive Serie A manager of the season titles (by the votes of his fellow league coaches, mind you) be so clueless about something so obvious. do we - MF members - really understand football better than the guy? that's a question we all got to ask ourselves IMO. maybe he's been taking orders from above as to how and who to play? good thing is, we'll know that as soon as October 25. after the Madrid debacle there simply is no reason why he should continue using the same players and not make any radical and permanent changes in the lineup, unless he really is clueless.

But then again, there's his substitutions which rarely make much sense. how can you be a good coach, but make useless and even disruptive substitutions? what do you think about this?

[vnata001]

I've been thinking, how can someone who's won 2 consecutive Serie A manager of the season titles (by the votes of his fellow league coaches, mind you) be so clueless about something so obvious. do we - MF members - really understand football better than the guy? that's a question we all got to ask ourselves IMO. maybe he's been taking orders from above as to how and who to play? good thing is, we'll know that as soon as October 25. after the Madrid debacle there simply is no reason why he should continue using the same players and not make any radical and permanent changes in the lineup, unless he really is clueless.

But then again, there's his substitutions which rarely make much sense. how can you be a good coach, but make useless and even disruptive substitutions? what do you think about this?

Well when taking into consideration the complexion of the squad when Allegri took over, I can see why it would be very difficult for him to make wholesale changes to the team immediately. Before any new coach taking the helm of a team can implement a his views — especially when it is a relatively young coach who doesn't command the immediate respect of the players (regardless of the players' reputations) like a Mourinho, SAF, and Hiddink would — needs the whole-hearted support of the dressing room. And at Milan, that means he needs the support of the dressing room pillars: two of which are Seedorf and Rino. If Allegri came in immediately and relegated Seedorf and Rino to the bench from the start (players who command respect for their past achievements regardless of their current form), it would have created cracks in the dressing room identity before he knew it — especially with all the new players we had — and possibly undermined any of his efforts. Those guys, despite being past their primes, after all these years have integrated themselves into the identity of who we are as a team.

Therefore, one can sort of see why it was necessary for Allegri to defer to the old guard at first. However, once optimal results are not being attained however — which is what we are seeing slowly but surely — the mediocre results would justify the changes. It is here, at this point, where Allegri would be well within his right in changing the complexion of the team in favor of a winning formula. If he got that formula correct, and the team started winning with the likes of Seedorf and Rino on the bench, then should they let their egos out of check, they'd run the risk of looking selfish and further diminish their good graces.

When you look at the example of Man U, SAF has been able to transition a newer generation in a relatively smooth fashion because the team never experienced a severe drop off when Scholes and Giggs would start on the bench. When Nani and say Gibson started ahead of them, SAF gave both the youngsters confidence by selecting them. At the same time, they understood they were on a short leash, because if they didn't, then the likes of Giggs and Scholes subbing in for them would be completely understood by the youngsters, and the two veterans would still be made to feel important.

However, because of the combination of 1)pressure that the egos of veterans Seedorf and Rino create for Max, and 2) the fact that he doesn't have the 'listen or get out' aura of a Hiddink, SAF or Jose, if he doesn't get his reshuffle correct quickly, there's always that chance that he'll lose the support of the veterans he drops at any time. Therefore, as far as dressing room stability goes, there's always that fine line for him as long as they are here - and apprehension to risk that is understandable.

That's why, despite the obvious changes we here feel he should make, it's tougher for him. He's the one who has to look at Seedorf and Rino in the face every day, and deal with the ripple effects that their egos would have upon team morale.

For this reason, I am compelled to grant Allegri patience. HOWEVER, that point where playing the old guard yields mediocre results is NOW. After the Madrid performances, with the murders row of matches we have coming up, and all the talent in the squad at his disposal, now is the time for Max to make his changes, make them correctly, and truly establish himself as in control of the team. If he doesn't, then we know he's not the man for the job.

Regarding his substitutions though? The blame for these fall on nobody but him. And for this, his leash in my eyes has shortened. When SAF transitions the new-gen in, his substitutions are always timely. If he sees something that he thinks will compromise the result of that very game, then he'll make his change in the first half if he has to. Allegri has sadly not shown that same competence..

Managing Milan is different from managing Cagliari in that at Milan, the coach almost has to prove himself to the players that he can win. At Cagliari, most of the players are happy to be in Serie A, focused only on trying to impress you no matter who you are, and without ego, trying to crack the starting XI. Allegri was surely a shrewd manager of Cagliari, and made the most of his situation there. However, the ego management aspect of managing big clubs is something he's unaccustomed to, and a factor that will ultimately make or break his time here over this next month.

If the above cited article is to be believed, and we see something resembling the lineups that Dracoris and/or Han posted earlier, then Allegri will earn himself more patience out the likes of myself...

This post has been edited by vnata001: Oct 21 2010, 10:22 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.

[Linkman]

+1 Dracoris and Han (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[vnata001]

I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.

+1.

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[Darunia]

Flamini needs a start.. with Ambro out, and with Rino being the Rino he now is, it's a travesty he hasn't gotten a chance to play. I hope Allegri realizes this (-Seedorf -Rino +Boateng +Flamini)

[Bluesummers]

I'll be frank now: I think Italy hasen't had such a bad generation of players for a long time, and the Serie A coaches nowdays are even worse. Allegri may have won that award...but I don't think any of the current Serie A coaches has it in him tu pull off some important thing for his club. 10-15 years ago we had Trapattoni, Lippi, Ancelotti, Eriksson and Capello plus coaches like Scala, Zaccheroni or Terim all. Nowdays, it's who?

Two of the last three Italian NT coaches were appointed without ever winning any important trophy, not the UEFA Cup, not the domestic league, cup or supercup, nothing. That I think means much.

Good points raised.

The problem is with how coaches now adays act.


Ancelotti and co. grew up in a generation where planning everything to the last dot was law. Coaches built practices like they built houses. Everything had a blue print and if things went wrong; your blue print wasn't developed carefully enough or you didn't account for things like injuries etc in your plans.


Now adays coaches act more and more on instinct and i'm no different. You'll see it soon in the trend of new coaches coming up. Instead of having the blue prints the majority would rather use instinct to guide a squad foreward during the season.


Instead of taking notes after a game and analyziing where your game needs to change; you'll start seeing more emortional responses like "they feel this and this need to change"


Its a problem and UEFA is doing a piss poor job of addressing it. The reason being is because the liscences, which were so hard to achieve before have become much easier.


Having a UEFA PRO 10-15 years ago meant you were something phenomenal. Now its a requirement to coach at the top leagues so alot of people have it.


UEFA A has become so easy to get its almost attend the course and pass. On average 90% of those who attend the course pass.



So you see how problems arise when you don't have a good enough filter system to filter the bad from the good.


Furthermore, the people who run UEFA are too stubborn to change the way they educate coaches so most of them don't even use what they learn.


1) Coaches are not supposed to use stop watch( go around neck) or whistles during any session. How many top level coaches do you see have that?

2) Coaches are supposed watch opponents, take notes during games and let the squad play. How many do you see out there with a notebook; furthemore how many do you see actually observe the game and analyze it? Most stand there shouting.




etc etc; i can sit here and make points all day till jack runs out of rum.

So instead what UEFA should be doing is finding ways of allowing the new trends of coaching into their educational system and adapting it. But no we have a bunch of stuck up, arrogant ex-managers who work at the FA's and think they have the ideal football and people should learn from them.



But the bottom line of why we have poor coaches is because the system is flawed. I am taking these courses and I will tell you already that half the sh*t i'm learning I will not use once. Why? Because its the year 2010 people work/think/communicate differently.

What worked 20/10/5 years ago may no longer work today.



PS: There is a reason why mourinho is successful; his methods are unique. He is what I would call the first successful manager who doesn't run his own practice sessions. That says something about him.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 22 2010, 09:23 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

etc etc; i can sit here and make points all day till jack runs out of rum.

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You haven't seen my stash have you??

[Bluesummers]

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You haven't seen my stash have you??

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[Jack Sparrow]

I have more bottles of rum than Milanfan has server space. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

[Bluesummers]

I have more bottles of rum than Milanfan has server space. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

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no way!!! that can't be possible!!! With all the spam I do on the daily that must mean... your stack must be huge!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 22 2010, 10:39 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

HUGE! Like King frickin Kong huge! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)