[Fillipo Simone]

I can't agree on that assumption. Robinho and Pato primarily score and that's what they should do. I don't think Pato can play a right wing, it would be a waste of talent.

I do agree with han, we should try Ronaldinho as a classic central AM, and Robinho should IMO play what Serginho sometimes used to play, a fast link between our offensive midfield and our striker (Ibrahimovic/Inzaghi). Let's foget for a moment about Pato, he's still injured.

[X-Offender]

I was at the stadium today, pretty nice atmosphere though it was freaking cold.

The first half was a disaster, from both teams, though Genoa seemed more concrete and could have scored if Palacio didn't hit the post. We came over in the second half, but mostly because of Ibra's goal which made Genoa go forward and leave spaces behind, spaces which we couldn't take advantage of because Flamini forgot his eyes in the dressing room.

Gattuso was great, the whole stadium gave him a proper standing-ovation when he came off. Robinho is not 100% yet, but he showed great willingness and some nice skills. Dinho was once again unwatchable, especially when he tried those one-on-one's and miserably failed them all. I'd rather play Seedorf than him. They're both bums, but at least with Seedorf we could pass to 4-3-1-2. Abate impressed me more than anyone else, he literally closed down every single run Genoa had on our right side. Bravo Ignazio!

All in all, we didn't play a bad game but we still have a long way to go.

[CHU-LIP]

I can't agree on that assumption. Robinho and Pato primarily score and that's what they should do. I don't think Pato can play a right wing, it would be a waste of talent.

Robinho can do more than that. Pato shouldn't play as RW.

[han2503]

Robinho can do more than that. Pato shouldn't play as RW.

You're making Robinho into something he's not. He won't give us what we need if he's played behind the strikers. Again, it's another scenario where we're wasting a player for the hell of it. Just like we're currently wasting Pato, Pirlo and Dinho to an extent

Ronaldinho and Pirlo are our only players that can really make that final delivery. Seedorf? Sure he had some nice moves today but he lost the ball multiple times as well. I'm not saying Ronaldinho and Pirlo didn't but Seedorf is just not a player that I call an AM. He mostly passes backwards.

[X-Offender]

I don't think there's much of a difference between Ronaldinho and Seedorf in terms of performance. They're both bums, they like losing balls and invent stuff. Dinho has a greater field of vision, whilst Seedorf gets involved more in team-work. Between the two, I'd choose Seedorf, because that way we could play a 4-3-1-2 system. Moreover, even when he plays like crap, Seedorf doesn't tend to disappear in the game like Dinho usually does 75% of the time.

[TriniKing_CE]

Abate impressed me more than anyone else, he literally closed down every single run Genoa had on our right side. Bravo Ignazio!

All in all, we didn't play a bad game but we still have a long way to go.

+1

And yes, I must admit I found that Abate stood out pretty well. I would give him an 8.

(...despite having a blunder header in the box in the eighty something-th minute - I will disregard that because it wasn't made a meal of by the other team today, instead it was quickly cleared to safety by his teammate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )

And also agreed that we didn't have a bad game - but we should be doing much better.

We are taking far to long to get into the game. Taking forever to actually create with goal potential, once we do get the goal we usually begin to play better, although I still think we're lacking the ability to play ruthless and close off the game, trying to absorb the pressure - which as we know it backfires many a times.

Anyway Forza Milan <...See Sig.>



EDIT: Oh and yes I forgot to mention I also found Gattuso played well.

This post has been edited by TriniKing_CE: Sep 26 2010, 12:39 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

See, this is what I feared of. One good performance and clip...here we have it again, Abate our solid RB. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[TriniKing_CE]

See, this is what I feared of. One good performance and clip...here we have it again, Abate our solid RB. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I assume you're speaking in a general sense, since I NEVER stated Abate was 'our solid RB'.

[elcordobez]

Uncle Fester giving Allegri a tactical nudge

MILAN – Milan CEO Adriano Galliani’s comments following the Rossoneri’s victory over Genoa: “We always suffer, but it’s alright. I think we played well, especially in the second half. This match gives us hope for the future, as we’re improving and have an exceptional centre forward. Zlatan's goal was similar to that he had scored on Wednesday: only he can score goals like these. Great players like him make teams great, but Robinho is an important player, too, I’m sure he’ll do well. Another thing which makes me satisfied is that we have a lot of different tactical solutions, for example Clarance can play behind the two forwards. We have the players to change formation at any moment. Moreover, it’s possible that Pato returns on Saturday. Also Rino played well this evening, he was the best in the first half. He only had to improve his fitness level, he’s still very important for us, we did well to keep him. Now we have 8 points, we still have to make up for the two points lost against Catania and three against Cesena. We have to win our away matches, too. Why do I talk rarely to the media? I talked a lot in the summer, when we demonstrated to be ambitious by signing some extraordinary players. They will be very useful during the season. Allegri? Our players are satisfied with the work of the coach, they like his training methods. Their opinion is fundamental, even though the results count as well. Today’s victory definitely eases the pressure on the team. We aim high, we can win everything with this squad, but we still need to do better in our away matches.”

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=129846

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[Bluesummers]

See, this is what I feared of. One good performance and clip...here we have it again, Abate our solid RB. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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[CHU-LIP]

+1

The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[han2503]

I don't think there's much of a difference between Ronaldinho and Seedorf in terms of performance. They're both bums, they like losing balls and invent stuff. Dinho has a greater field of vision, whilst Seedorf gets involved more in team-work. Between the two, I'd choose Seedorf, because that way we could play a 4-3-1-2 system. Moreover, even when he plays like crap, Seedorf doesn't tend to disappear in the game like Dinho usually does 75% of the time.

I think that's complete BS. Dinho has had 2/3 bad games, and the reason for that is because he's constantly double marked, that's why he's losing the ball, and he's not currently in his best form but who on the team really is atm aside from a handful of players? The ball usually sticks to Dinho like glue, losing the ball and Dinho is not something I put in the same sentence.

When Seedorf is not on his game, which is 9 times out of 10 on most ccasions, he loses the ball, can't even cross a decent ball, barely bothers to jog let alone run and I find it hard to see where the team work you talk about is, since he's usually not even bothered to jog back down the pitch when we're getting counter attacked...

Your problem with Dinho is just that, you don't like him, so unless he's 100% on his game every time we play you want his head, if everyone thought that way about every player then none of the players on the team should be playing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

+1

The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

It's not about giving him credit. Ok he played well today, but just because he played well against a team who in all honesty was pretty poor, that doesn't hide the fact that once Abate faces some decent opposition on that right side, he's toast. And it does not mean that he should be playing at RB

[Fillipo Simone]

+1

The guy just never gives any kind of credit to Abate even when he deserves it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Really? Take a look at my ratings...and you can take that back in a moment.

I don't hate Abate, I just don't see him as an RB. What difference does it make if he managed to close down Genoa's left side when we all know he's not up to the task.

Sure, Abate could be a solid RB for Torino, Cesena or Brescia, teams who count on points against weaker opposition and close one eye when playing against the big teams. But that's not Milan.

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Chill out, I don't hate anyone. Just that Abate isn't a RB; it's as simple as that.

[Bluesummers]

Abate plays in one of the slowest developmental league in the world.


A league where the average age of players is around 28.


A league where the majority of players can maintain good form well into their mid 30s.



Abate is very talented because he is able to get playing time IN AC Milan, not parma, not genoa, not any other midtable team; but one of the best teams in the world at the age of 23.

Furthermore, he is able to get this time as a FB, which is huge considering he's had only 1 season of experience as a FB versus the 10 years of experience as a youth and young professional he's had as a winger.


I think he's done very well for himself. Defending isn't something that is grasped instantly. It can be taught only with experience. Don't compare abate to zambrotta and say he's not up to par. Some people are born with defending capabilities and some aren't.

Abate's strong suits are his power, pace and dribbling. Attributes like man marking, positioning, tackling are going to take time to develop.




Are you guys even willing to give the guy a chance at showing us what he can do, especially considering he's a player whose adapting to a position he's never player in and has had only 1 year of experience at a big club?



Cause if this is the way we treat players, then lets sell him and sokratis and splash the cash on well known fullbacks and defenders like Madrid and other clubs. Screw player development, the only thing we should see developing is our deficit statement.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Sep 26 2010, 11:42 AM

[han2503]

It's got nothing to do with player development blue, we all know the reason as to why Abate plays for a club like Milan, it's because there is not other alternative aside from Zambrotta who Allegri thinks cannot play more then once a week for some reason. That's the only reason as to why Abate gets minutes in this team as a RB. I have no problem playin him at RM when we can use a tactical re-shuffle, but playing him at RB against any side who has at least a half decent pacy winger on their left side would be suicide, simply because he's incapable of defending.

Zambrotta started out as a winger, then converted to a LB, but the defending capabalities were always there. Abata just doesn't have them.