[acid911]

here we go again.. AS have been doing this without fail every summer..

Well they have tummies to feed, don't they? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Little kids and all. Can't really blame them!

[han2503]

Kaká: Either I Stay At Milan Or I Join Real Madrid

The Kaká transfer saga is bound to hit hyperdrive again after the Brazilian maestro opened the door for a move to Los Blancos.

Most of the soundbites in the aftermath of Kaká’s collapsed transfer to Manchester City have centred mainly around the reaction of his club-mates, his fans and football purists, all gushing about how relieved they are that the playmaker extraordinaire chose to stay a Milanista.

But AS, the Spanish sports-journal which began the rumours a few days ago that Kaká turned down the move to City because he wanted to join Real Madrid, has picked up an interesting quote from the player himself.

“Either I stay at Milan or I join Real Madrid,” was what the 26-year-old reportedly told his father and representative, Bosco Leite.

The remark does little to suggest that the former FIFA World Player is craving for a move to the Spanish capital, but it does indicate that both he and Los Merengues now have the upperhand over Milan.

In previous years, the Rossoneri were always in control of the situation, turning down Madrid’s advances time and again while the attacking midfielder stood quietly by. But now, the tables have been turned as Kaká realises that his club would not hesitate to cash in on him should the right bid come along, while the blancos recognise that a rare window of opportunity has just opened up for them.

But there’s more to it. AS is now speculating that there could be a second contender to challenge Madrid for Kaká's signature: Barcelona.

The Blaugrana have not really declared any interest to bring the playmaker to the Camp Nou, but with the club about to have their elections soon, as do Madrid, potential candidates on both sides could use ‘Ricky’ as a pre-election promise to win the presidency.

Funny how all these "quotes" only come form AS's camp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[dst]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) AS...

[Rivaldo]

AS, Emerson: Once Pato and Kaka will play for Real Madrid

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I can remember there was judge decision that AS can't write something about Kaka-Real move.....why they continue doind trhis...?

[CrazyMilanFan]

kaka-madrid link seems serious

[elcordobez]

I read an interesting article today from the guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/ja...transfer-window

How the world's biggest transfer fell apart
Garry Cook, Manchester City's executive chairman, has criticised Milan after the £91m Kaka saga ended in dismay


Daniel Taylor
The Guardian, Wednesday 21 January 2009
Article history

From start to finish the Kaka transfer saga took 34 days. Photograph: Koichi Kamoshida/Getty Images

From start to finish, the whole process took 34 days. It was 15 December when Manchester City's executive chairman, Garry Cook, first made contact with Milan. "I'll come out with this straight away," he said over the phone to Adriano Galliani, the club's vice-president. "We want your best player and I'm ringing up to see how much you want for him."

Galliani listened and said he would speak to Silvio Berlusconi, the ­president. Later that day, a fax came through to Cook's office. It was signed by Galliani and told him Kaka was available if City "delivered the sum of 200 million". Cook jokingly faxed back: "Is that lira?"

The important thing was that Milan were willing to do business. Cook reported the breakthrough to Sheikh Mansour, the club's owner, and Mark Hughes, the manager. A six-man team, including three lawyers, was put together, and so began the exhaustive process of trying to conclude perhaps the most audacious transfer of all time. So where did it all go wrong and how did it reach the stage that City should get their fingers burned so badly?

Those are questions that Cook was still asking himself yesterday as he and Simon Pearce, Sheikh Mansour's personal envoy, tried to make sense of it all. It has been a chastening experience and has led to concerns about Robinho's future in Manchester, and Cook did not mince his words. "They bottled it," he says of Milan. "We weren't naive. It was just that the world we entered into was unprofessional. We engaged a lot of professional people to take care of this deal. But it was all a bit too sophisticated for Milan."

Milan have been on their own PR offensive, of course. According to the ­Italians, the decision was purely Kaka's and he chose to turn down City because he could not bear the idea of leaving San Siro. Kaka himself has said it "took only 30 seconds to make up my mind".

Cook's is a very different take. "We never met the player and we simply didn't make an offer [of personal terms] to Kaka," he said. "All of which makes it difficult for us to swallow the suggestion that he rejected Manchester City. There was nothing to reject."

What we can say for certain is that it is a lesson in the complexities of what it is like to negotiate the transfer of a genuine superstar and the minefield of legalities, politics, agents, interpreters and egos.

City, for instance, have documents to show that, by the time the transfer window opened on 1 January, a fee had been agreed for the Brazilian. Milan had slashed their initial asking price to £91m, to be paid in five instalments. A confidentiality agreement had been signed and the vibes were so positive Hughes, had gone as far as planning a new 4–1–4–1 formation, with Kaka playing in his best position as an advanced central midfielder.

By the time Cook boarded a private jet back to Manchester after the first face-to-face talks between himself, other high-ranking City officials and the Milan hierarchy, he and his colleagues were in a celebratory mood. "They [Milan] had made it quite clear that they wanted to sell their prize possession to us," he claims.

But this was only the first part of what Cook calls "a three-stage process" and it is the second phase where it gets increasingly complicated.

First, the story was leaked. Cook blames Milan for this, although various people at the City end may have been loose-lipped, too. Either way, it meant a flood of protests in Milan and, by the time Cook's team arrived in the city on Monday to meet Galliani and Bosco Leite, Kaka's father and agent, there were thousands of fans on the streets. "After that, the pressure was building on Milan," says Cook. "There was political pressure on Milan and supporter pressure. You could feel that pressure on the senior executives. The confidentiality should never have been broken."

Even so, City remained optimistic. They had been led to believe that Kaka was keen to come and excited about their plans. City, in turn, were prepared to make him the highest paid footballer in the world. But first – and this is really the crux – they wanted to do due diligence on the player's contract and commercial income.

"You like to know what you are getting before you make your offer to the player," Cook says. "We were trying to run through a professional process to understand. Kaka has a number of sponsors and complex agreements and inside those agreements are clauses that could affect the needs of his sponsors. That part had to be agreed before we could get to offering personal terms with the player. But his representatives simply didn't want to get to the complexities and the sophistication of the second stage."

City's representatives asked Bosco if they could look at his son's financial documents and the complexities of his different sponsorship agreements. "No," they were allegedly told. "Not even Milan get to see them." Cook says: "They just didn't get where we were coming from."

Kaka, City did establish, earns £12m a year after tax with a further £7m-8m from commercial revenue. Cook was once in charge of the Michael Jordan brand at Nike, estimated he could increase Kaka's endorsements 10-fold. "But all they wanted was to talk about salary and compensation for the player. They simply couldn't answer the questions."

The talks lasted seven hours and ended with an agreement that they would meet again the following morning and then arrange a further meeting in London. Yet Cook had picked up bad vibes when he spoke to Galliani in private. "He [Galliani] said his life had changed since the story had come out," says Cook. "He had had to move offices and employ protection.

"What really set the alarm bells ringing was that he also said they had already figured out with Kaka that they would come out with a joint statement saying they were pleased to say he was staying. They clearly had a strategy in place."

Everything came to a head when Cook received a call in the departure lounge at Linate airport. The man on the line was Alberto Zilani, a translator for Kaka's father, Bosco. There was, in Pearce's words, a "sudden change in emphasis".

According to Pearce, it was put to City that they needed to let Bosco know exactly what salary Kaka would earn, and that if they did not do it immediately the deal was in jeopardy. "There was a requirement for much more speed and a much greater focus on cash," he says. "Garry's response was that's not the way we wanted to conduct the talks and we would have to terminate the discussions there."

Cook went to ring Hughes to break the bad news. Milan, meanwhile, went into overdrive. "Garry got the telephone call at 11.03pm," says Pearce. "Within eight minutes Mr Berlusconi had called the most popular live television show in Italy and said, 'I have great news for you. Kaka has rejected the offer'. Then, suddenly, Kaka is out on his balcony waving to the Milan fans. They had got everything covered."

The meeting took place at the offices of Milan's lawyers and Cook felt that City were unwelcome. "We were confined to a room with no food or drink. We were starving by the time it finished. They gave us a cup of coffee so it would be unfair to say there was nothing. But the hospitality wasn't the finest. It was interesting to see how they worked. The dynamics of it were strange, very unnerving. It wasn't a place we would want to be in."

Is there an Italian version of the events anywhere?

Whether or not things happened the way this guy has claimed,it sounds like there may have been some serious misunderstanding during the deal.

This post has been edited by elcordobez: Jan 21 2009, 03:49 PM

[I_Rossoneri]

Ironically enough I heard that 5hitty faxed Bosco before talking to Milan...

Personally I feel berlusconi wanted the cash and Ricky didn't want to leave. It was our fantastic fans who finally ended the deal though with their 'charm offensive' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) . berlusconi has now turned things around and made it look like he was the one who stopped the deal thus making himself look popular.

Had it been a CL contender though I'm sure our management would have said Ricky is not for sale.

[I_Rossoneri]

AS, Emerson: Once Pato and Kaka will play for Real Madrid

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I can remember there was judge decision that AS can't write something about Kaka-Real move.....why they continue doind trhis...?

Yet another reason why emerson should go, what a complete waste of space.

[acid911]

Yet another reason why emerson should go, what a complete waste of space.

If he said it, then yes he is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) By the way, lovely signature. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 19/01 is my birthday so I didn't like your previous signature. This one's really nice.

[Zed.D]

kaka-madrid link seems serious

It doesn't look serious at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) at least not to me. AS' stories are not even funny anymore!

However, to be perfectly honest, Madrid is the only team I can see Kaka joining one day. it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if he did. but I don't think anything will happen before Kaka is 29 or so.

[han2503]

Ironically enough I heard that 5hitty faxed Bosco before talking to Milan...

Personally I feel berlusconi wanted the cash and Ricky didn't want to leave. It was our fantastic fans who finally ended the deal though with their 'charm offensive' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) . berlusconi has now turned things around and made it look like he was the one who stopped the deal thus making himself look popular.

Had it been a CL contender though I'm sure our management would have said Ricky is not for sale.

That bolded part is very telling.

I agree with you, had it been a big club like Real they would never have let them near Kaka, neither talked to them about any possible move.

I personally believe this whole thing was engineered from the very beginning. City would have never been a major treath and no way Kaka would want to move there so Silvio decided to use the situation to his advantage. Let things progress to the point where it was confirmed on Milan channel that a deal was agreed upon and that only Kaka needed to sign on the dotted line. Just after this announcement Kaka is escorted by police from his home to the Milan headquarters. When everyone is expecting an announcement to be made that the move was official Silvio breaks the news in his usual over the top way, thus making himself look like a hero.

If Kaka was also involved in this like Cook is saying I wouldn't find it that hard to believe. He knew he wouldn't be leaving and in the end it only made him look better then he already did.

Miz, posted a gaurdian article a while back on this thread, that was saying that this was an engineered plan by Milan. I wouldn't find it hard to believe if it's true.

At the end of the day Man City are the ones who came out looking like idiots, that no matter what cash they throw around at the big players they are still Man City.

Yet another reason why emerson should go, what a complete waste of space.

I wouldn't really believe any of what is said on AS, suddenly all these quotes are popping up from nowhere about Kaka and from Kaka himself. Quotes that only appear on AS. I personally dislike Emerson as much as the next person and can't stand seeing him play but he wouldn't go out and say such things about his team mates.

This quote is a whole new level of unbelievable. If Real wanted Pato they should have gone after him when he was still in Brazil. Now there is no chance

This post has been edited by han2503: Jan 21 2009, 04:40 PM

[I_Rossoneri]

At the end of the day Man City are the ones who came out looking like idiots, that no matter what cash they throw around at the big players they are still Man City.

Hahahahahahaha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[I_Rossoneri]

If he said it, then yes he is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) By the way, lovely signature. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 19/01 is my birthday so I didn't like your previous signature. This one's really nice.

In that case a belated happy birthday to you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[acid911]

In that case a belated happy birthday to you

Gracias! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) So very nice of you.

Gotta hand it over to Milan, my 24th birthday was made very, very special. Had Kaka moved to City, then I'd have had a hard time. But his coming out with the Milan shirt in his window, certainly made my day. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What's more, you got your faith back, so been a nice week all things considered!

[CrazyMilanFan]

It doesn't look serious at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) at least not to me. AS' stories are not even funny anymore!

However, to be perfectly honest, Madrid is the only team I can see Kaka joining one day. it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if he did. but I don't think anything will happen before Kaka is 29 or so.

this perez thing is the main reason i dont care abt what AS quotes i hope madrid go for Cr7 if they want kaka then milan should not think of money but somehting like ramos+VDV but i would now really like kaka to be our captain