[gal_kenny]

real madrid won the CL with him, and a liga ten went downhill from there.

juve made a CL final losing in a shoutout, and won several scudetti.

they got buffon and nedved with that money, nedved won the ballon d'or a couple years after that.

when u say several don't u mean like 1 or 2...remember they were guilty for match fixing scandal...n besides, ronaldo and zidane became fifa player of the year

[Habitant]

when u say several don't u mean like 1 or 2...remember they were guilty for match fixing scandal...n besides, ronaldo and zidane became fifa player of the year

what does ronaldo have to do with it?

point is juve had more success during that period than real had. in retrun they brought in a world class ballon' d'or winning player (and diving *** whipe) in nedved, but they also got buffon out of it and they sitll had some money to spare.

also juve beat real numerous times in the CL during that period, they were the better team.

This post has been edited by Habitant: Jan 17 2009, 06:49 PM

[MizNelson]

dst, we turned into a circus worthy of scorn the moment we signed Ronaldo. And then Ronaldinho. And then Beckham. We became a team looking only to sell jerseys and be in the media a long time before Man City made their bid. There was precious little of Milan's reputation left at the beginning of this week. The Kaka saga hasn't improved things; far from it, it's only completed the cycle.

What I don't quite understand is why nobody else sees that and only focuses on the Kaka thing.

Didafan tells Fishdoll that he can't really paint everyone with the same brush (fin?) by saying "nobody." I think there are many who would agree with this post or who are not busy crying their eyes out over Kaka 24/7, but are afraid of incurring the wrath of other posters. The Kaka news is huge enough that it's overshadowed everything else on this team.

However, he'll get no argument from me that the identity of this team is being dissolved before our eyes. Less than five years ago, we had some of the most recognizable names around, and you knew who they represented just by merely invoking their names. Maldini. Pippo. Sandro. Dida. Ambro. Even old warhorses like Rui and Stam. Now, we're an indistinguishable mix of irrelevant show ponies and unknown young signings who have a chance in hell of playing under Carlo. When someone says "Milan," I don't think Zambrotta or Favalli. I think of the guys I just mentioned before.

Anyway, in response to the heart of Fishdoll's post, I wasn't particularly high on Ronaldo coming here, but at the time he seemed motivated enough and gave us the shot in the arm to improve our CL fortunes. And the first thing he did was stick it to Inter in the derby with a goal. Then his knee was reduced to Shredded Wheat and it all went downhill from there.

However, I was adamantly against bringing in Ronaldinho and his pissass work ethic right from the start. There was a reason why Barcelona were more than happy to let him walk. It was after his arrival that you started hearing the "are we the new Galacticos?" chatter. One thing I've noticed: there are plenty of Ronaldo fans here (take a bow, acid) and other Milan forums, yet I have yet to see a staunch Ronaldinho supporter. And then Beckham...pfft, let's not even go there.

In the end, it's not Kaka's departure that frightens me. It's B&G's lackadaisical attitude about this team and the husk it will become unless we do something with that money.

[gal_kenny]

what does ronaldo have to do with it?

point is juve had more success during that period than real had. in retrun they brought in a world class ballon' d'or winning player (and diving *** whipe) in nedved, but they also got buffon out of it and they sitll had some money to spare.

also juve beat real numerous times in the CL during that period, they were the better team.

I get your point now but does that mean we should emulate them? no..Keeping Kaka is all i'm asking for...Its like selling your brother for a huge sum of money..I mean milan is like a family..i can't sell any of my friends of family for whatever sum of money!!!

[Habitant]

I get your point now but does that mean we should emulate them? no..Keeping Kaka is all i'm asking for...Its like selling your brother for a huge sum of money..I mean milan is like a family..i can't sell any of my friends of family for whatever sum of money!!!

ya i know, i'm just saying juve werent a terrible team after.

right now i'm just so angry, because our management have become so incompetent, selling loaning players then trying to bring them back, bringing in players mainly to sell jerseys, and now this? i could see them blowing this money in two years on useless signings.

THIS CLUB HAS NO DIRECTION !!!

This post has been edited by Habitant: Jan 17 2009, 06:59 PM

[armiss]

Poll :



http://www.gazzetta.it/appsSondaggi/votazi...dSondaggio=4148

[Rivaldo]

I just can't swallow this. we didn't even let him choose his next destination! sold him for money like a piece of... product (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It's exactly what i'm trying to say. They consider Kaka like thing, which U may buy/sell. Not human or playeer - just thing

If Kaka leaves then the management sends a clear message that everyone in the squad is for sale if the price is right.

U are right. Pato will be sold and other future stars....

THIS CLUB HAS NO DIRECTION !!!

This club has no heart and soul, cos heart will retire in summer, but soul they are going to sell.

[weeeow]

This club has no heart and soul, cos heart will retire in summer, but soul they are going to sell.

We're all so optimistic nowadays! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[KillerMax]

I just feel bad for Kaka Is Brilliant in this whole saga... Poor guy can't hold a username for more than a couple of years... PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE don't change your username to Pato Is Brilliant. Rather try Emerson, Favalli, Kalac and such...

[dst]

I just feel bad for Kaka Is Brilliant in this whole saga... Poor guy can't hold a username for more than a couple of years... PLEASE FOR GOD'S SAKE don't change your username to Pato Is Brilliant. Rather try Emerson, Favalli, Kalac and such...

Hey, get out of my brain!

[MizNelson]

U are right. Pato will be sold and other future stars....

You don't know that for a fact, and it's pointless to start speculating about the future.

[Fillipo Simone]

Because until now, even with Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Beckham Milan still was the team that stood by its players more than any other. Until now Milan was the team that waited for Pippo to return, that stayed alongside Ambro despite all his injuries, that tried hard to convince Gattuso to stay when everyone was saying he was finished, that despite their age still renewed Maldini's, Costacurta's, Favalli's contract. Until now even with those players you mentioned the fans were still proud of these things that made Milan special... I fail to see what's so special about Milan right now.

But wait a second. We still have all that - we still wait for Pippo, we still wait for Ambro and Rino, still have Favalli around...all that.

1. Milan still standing

Why I said Milan is still standing? Because this place turned in the last 24 hours into Kakafan, and I think it's premature. I'm the kind off guy that wait's till the official site announces "AC Milan pushed out Kaka". Up till now we: 1) don't know what's going on at Milanello 2) We're even not sure if Kaka will leave (but okay, pretty much sure) - that said, I don't feel like screaming **** you to Berlusconi yet! Can you understand that?

Other then state "I'm not satisfied with the Kaka transfer" I don't see any alternative. As I said before, I don't feel the need to torture people with hysteric posts "how everything stopped".

2. MF or KF?

I hate the hypocricy and double-morale of this place here. I read day after day posts like "release Maldini", "**** off Favalli" and "***** Emerson". Okay, they (F+E) are not so important or good, but isn't it two-faced to call Milan to release players you don't care about, but as soon as your favorite golden boy is touched you turn the other side and say "Milan is ****, does ***** ******* B&G". I simply cannot digest this that easy. I know Kaka is more valuable then the rest, but still I cannot accept it with ease.

3. The board made mistakes.

Milan rightnow has many problems - first of all they're a team without a pilot. Berlusconi is too old, and I knew his victory in Italian elections wouldn't help either. Galliani, he functionated properly till the day Berlusconi lost control over him. After that, he proved to be human - made good and bad decisions. Our transfer policy is not really a policy - we have no course set - and this is because we tried to be different the other clubs. Sadly, I think we failed. Sadly. A solution will be, when a new board emerges.

In my understanding, Berlusconi has done enough for Milan to be respected and defended by me to the last breath!

4. The circus.

I cannot agree with that statement, but I can understand. I don't like Beck's either, I'm not that of a Dinho fan. I can understand that it's frightening imagine Milan's near future without Maldini and Kaka. But it's reality. What can we do? We can stop support Milan or digest it. The worst solution is to maintain cheer for Milan but hate almost everything around it - Ancelotti, 50% of the players, the board - and share that hate.

5. Stop watching football.

Is football dead? No.
Is football dying? Yes. And it's normal. Football reached decadent highs long time ago. It's not just about the money. It's more then that.

[BssMn]

At this point, it does'n matter if Kaka' leaves Milan now or not....the spirit of AC MILAN is already broken.....it will take several years to get over this mess.

[BssMn]

17/01/2009 18:35
Premier League: "El City no es equipo para Kakà", afirmó el Niño Torres
No se cree que vauyan a pagar 100 millones por el brasileño.


"El Manchester City no es el equipo adecuado para Kaká. En serio. ¿Cómo pueden pagar 100 millones por Kaká? Los grandes jugadores quieren ganar trofeos y el Manchester City ni siquiera es uno de los equipos que compiten por los trofeos en Inglaterra. Están luchando para seguir en la Premier o para llegar a la mitad de la tabla".
"Sería un contrato fantástico, pero hay otras cosas que son más importantes que el dinero. Un jugador quiere ser recordado por lo que ha ganado. Imagínense diez años después de retirarte, miras hacia atrás y ves que no estás en ninguna foto, que no tienes medallas, que no hay trofeos. Es como jugar para nada", explicó Torres.
"Igual tienes un coche fantástico, una casa fantástica, pero ¿todo eso qué importa? Puedes tener un contrato mejor que el que tienen tus amigos, pero ningún jugador mira hacia atrás y dice: 'yo gané más dinero", concluyó.

Translation

Manchester City its not the right team for Kaka', says "El Niño Torres"

"Manchester City is not the right team for Kaká. Seriously. How
can pay 100 million for Kaka? The big players want to win
trophies and Manchester City isn't even one of the teams that
compete for trophies in England. Are struggling to remain in the
Premier or to reach half of the table. "
"It would be a fantastic contract, but there are other things that are more
important than money. A player wants to be remembered for what he has
won. Imagine ten years after retiring, and back view
you're not in any photos that you have no medals, there is no
trophies. It's like playing for nothing, "said Torres.
"Just got a fantastic car, a fantastic house, but
what does it matter? You can have a better contract than your friends,
but no player looks back and says, 'I won more money, "
concluded.

Source:

http://www.goal.com/es/news/23/premier-lea...rmo-el-nino-tor


I think he is absolutely right....poor Ricky

This post has been edited by BssMn: Jan 17 2009, 08:13 PM

[Rossoneri7]

But we are not in debt. I remember Galliani bragging about it not a long time ago, when the financial crisis started...

Milan's debt-to-equity ratio is 193%.