[Zed.D]

Here are Gila's goals from the 05/06 season, the final score and at what point in the game Gila's goals came. I'll highlight the goals that I think can be considered somewhat 'important'. What I consider to make a goal important, and it's reason:
-If your team wins by 1 or 2 the goal is important no matter when it is scored. Even if you win by 2-0, the 2nd goal is still very important as it kills the game, while 1-0 is still a very cautious scoreline late on in a game. Scoring the 3rd in a 3-0 win, however, isn't what I would consider important.

-Scoring in a defeat when you are losing by 2 or less. If you're losing by 1 it's important as your goal brings the game level, if you're losing by 2 you bring your team back into the game, so it's important at the time. Losing by 3 I don't think it's so important, you're still a way off.

-Scoring in a game that ends in a draw. Pretty obvious it's important, you've helped your team to a point.

@ Sampdoria - Lost 2-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-0
@ Treviso - Won 2-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0
@ Cagliari - Won 2-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0
@ Empoli - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-1
@ Empoli - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 2-1
vs Udinese - Won 5-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-0
vs Udinese - Won 5-1 - Gila's goal made it 4-0
@ Fiorentina - Lost 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 1-1
vs Messina - Won 4-0 - Gila's goal made it 4-0
@ Livorno - Won 3-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0
@ Livorno - Won 3-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0
vs Parma - Won 4-3 - Gila's goal made it 2-1
vs Treviso - Won 5-0 - Gila's goal made it 3-0
@ Reggina - Won 4-1 - Gila's goal made it 2-1
vs Cagliari - Won 1-0 - Gila's goal made it 1-0
@ Udinese - Won 4-0 - Gila's goal made it 2-0
@ Messina - Won 3-1 - Gila's goal made it 3-1

So in my opinion 14 of his 17 league goals could be considered 'important'. One thing people need to remember is AT THE TIME OF SCORING. Some people will probably argue the case that scoring in a 5-0 win - even if it's the 1st goal - isn't important, but it is. How is Gila meant to know his team is going to score another 4? So I base my stats at the time of scoring, obviously the outcome has a little bearing, like if the team was to win 4-3 and he scored to make it 4-0, it's still an important goal as it's essentially a game winner.

So 14 of 17 were important in my view, I think this somewhat dispells the myth that his goals are to just push up the scoreline.

Thanks a lot, Kurt. it's certainly not as unimpressive as I thought. he did open the scoring/help expand it on many occasions. the only thing that still leaves me unimpressed is the teams he scored against. except for two or three, they are all small/average teams. no Inter, Juve, Roma, Lazio, etc.
And the other things is his CL record. but I say it again that his scoring record in the league, only in that season, is actually good.



This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Sep 28 2008, 03:17 PM

[kurtsimonw]

Nice Post Kurt...
Where'd you find all the stats btw? (I can never find those sort of things 'when' I want to)

ESPN Soccernet is where I usually go for my stats, very good site for looking for stuff like that.

Thanks a lot, Kurt. it's certainly not as unimpressive as I thought. he did open the scoring/help expand it on many occasions. the only thing that still leaves me unimpressed is the teams he scored against. except for two or three, they are all small/average teams. no Inter, Juve, Roma, Lazio, etc.
And the other things is his CL record. but I say it again that his scoring record in the league, only in that season, is actually good.

It's much better than I thought it'd be as well to be honest, but I agree that he doesn't tend to be a big game player, he doesn't score many against the top sides. Another thing is that when he scored we very rarely lost! Shame he didn't score more often. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[TriniKing_CE]

ESPN Soccernet is where I usually go for my stats, very good site for looking for stuff like that.

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[Habitant]

If Gila could only score headers on crosses then we did the right thing to sell him as he was not a complete striker. a complete striker is someone who can perform and score both with his head and with his feet! remember Sheva of old days?... I completely agree that our full backs failed to provide Gila with decent crosses in his last two seasons with us, but I for one won't accept this as an explanation for his goal drought because I still remember the great chances he missed...



+1

IIRC he was even chosen as man of the match. he really truly made CR his b1tch that night!

ok well obviously scoring with ur feet is important too, and gila was always able score with his feet, well that is when he had confidence. take away his crosses, and you put him in an uncomfortable situation which in turn destroys his confidence. i mean come on look at pippo :rolleyes; the guy can only score tap ins yet none of us have a problem with him being a one-dimensional player, the furthest from a complete striker. what i had a problem with was how we fed him the ball most of the time, he'd always have his back to the def, and guys like seedorf, kaka would pass it to him and he'd be alone up front and he'd have to take on defenders which he is unable to do, also pippo or they'd be getting in each others way (btw pippo was beyond brutal during that period). and gila was never brought to replace sheva, it was for pippo and they are both from the same mold.

anyways i'm not saying it's everyone elses fault, yes gila has to take some of the blame. i just find it hypocritical for someone like gattuso who hasnt performed to criticize and demean him. and belive me he wouldnt be saying this if he wasnt in such good form, which is sorta sign of jealousy.

This post has been edited by Habitant: Sep 28 2008, 06:08 PM

[Zed.D]

This all started when Gila, after scoring a goal or two for Fiorentina, said that Milan's style of play didn't suit him fine and that Fiorentina's was perfect, etc. etc. etc. Gattuso's comments were a respond to Gila's somehow critical words. he would have never blamed or criticized him without a reason. so let's not be harsh on Rino.

As for what I said about what a complete striker should be, I have to say I should have made my point clearer. what I meant was that a complete striker is not someone who can be relied only on aerial balls. many of those who defend Gila say the reason he scored 17 goals in his first season was because our full backs assisted him regularly and as soon as they stopped performing, Gila went through a goal drought. I say if he was a complete striker he would have had MANY MORE goals to his name now. I have the highlights of the last two seasons' games and I must say, Gila missed a lot of chances. I know he is not Pippo Inzaghi when it comes to abilities on the ball, but for some reasons, which I personally tend to think of them as psychological problems, he couldn't do well with his feet. most of his shots were awfully out of target and his tap-ins simply weren't good enough to beat the 'keepers. our full backs were to some extent responsible for his goal drought as they became somehow awful at crossing the ball. I give him that. but I can't find any answer for why he couldn't score some sitters with his feet, other than those 'heavy shirt' theories!

[dst]

How was Gila critical? All he said was that Milan's system did not suit him, he did not say that it was wrong (and it was) and he did not say Milan should have changed the system just for him...
Then he said Fiorentina's system suits him better, he did not compare it with Milan's one.

Anyway... I think Gattuso should have avoided this especially since they'll get together for the Nazionale in the future.

[Zed.D]

I didn't say he was critical. I said somehow critical (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) you know, Gila can't only blame Milan for he missed too many chances that had nothing to do with the system of Milan!! he never ever said he missed some good chances in those two seasons, instead he just pointed finger at Milan's system and I think Gattuso was right to defend Milan.