[bigmacmtl]

I rate Carlo and Jose both highly.

The main arguement I have against Carlo is this: Yes, he has a family atmosphere, but why is this? Is this part of the reason Gourcuff doesn't get a chance to play - Because he's too busy keeping the 'stars' happy by playing them all the time?

One thing I love about Jose is that he will not be told what to do - don't get me wrong, I love Sheva - but the fact that he hardly played showed me something about Jose. He does what he wants, he's not going to be a yes man. If Silvio tells him the CL is his priority, it won't make a difference as he'll go after each trophy the same - that's the way Jose is.

and thats what we are lacking.

[Jack Sparrow]

I disagree. Last year and this one were the first time we were ever not challenging on both fronts.

Last year, was understandable. We were going to be over worked, and we had no strikers.

This year is a disappointment. Comes down to Milan Lab's huge mistake about R99's fitness.( They don't usually get it wrong. They've worked miracles with Cafu and Sergio and Ambro). But the first in a long time. I'm willing to forgive and forget. Bugger, I've seen worse. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I still believe Carletto should be allowed to make his second generation team. We owe him that. After that, if like Jol he screws up, I won't say no to letting him go. I doubt it will happen though.

[Warchant]

i'm torn on this one

i like carlo...but i think his biggest fault is that he is the player's friend (heck, he was paolo's teammate).

i like jose...but he is an arrogant prick who drives teams to win instead of motivates teams to win

one controlled his league, the other has controlled the CL

we need a coach that can do both...i'm not sure either can give us that

[aLbErTo]

no way, jose (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) carlo is the man...we'll now win on WCC and then all the roumours will die again (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by aLbErTo: Dec 11 2007, 08:44 AM

[kdman]

i'm torn on this one

i like carlo...but i think his biggest fault is that he is the player's friend (heck, he was paolo's teammate).

i like jose...but he is an arrogant prick who drives teams to win instead of motivates teams to win

one controlled his league, the other has controlled the CL

we need a coach that can do both...i'm not sure either can give us that

I get your drift (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Actually I'm not sold on the argument that Jose's personality/style endangers team spirit. He's one of the most greatest motivators around. Players like him and want to win for him. This is evidenced by the near revolt at chelsea when he left. Most of the players publicly made veiled statements about their unhappiness when he left. Plus he's not a regimented-style coach. I mean he varies his formations/subs to match situations. He can get his team to play excellent football. Heck, talking about defensive coaches, Carlo should be up there with the rest. Too stuck-up. I bet you Carlo won't mind playing Emerson/Gattuso/Ambro together. Anyway, that's neither here nor there, I just felt Jose would give us that 'something' we've been missing, especially in the league, and now that the team needs rejuvinating. Be sure he would DEMAND for reinforcements. He's not a 'yes' man.

This post has been edited by kdman: Dec 11 2007, 09:09 AM

[dst]

If Silvio tells him the CL is his priority, it won't make a difference as he'll go after each trophy the same - that's the way Jose is.

Silvio is not the same as Abramovich! I'm not saying Mourinho will bow down before him but his word matters and he can influence every one...

He can get his team to play excellent football.

I've never seen that from Mourinho. Except for a couple of times at Porto. His Chelsea were simply awfully painful to watch!

[Tennie]

Here's an interesting twist on the story.

Gazzetta (link) is reporting that in mid-November Jose Mourinho and Massimo Moratti held a meeting in London. However, Moratti (link) is categorically denying that any such meeting took place.

This post has been edited by Tennie: Dec 11 2007, 01:55 PM

[Zed.D]

I hope we can keep this thread polite.

In an effort to maintain politeness, I am going to respectfully disagree with I Rossoneri and Porty. I don't think Mourinho is the best out there when it comes to finding a coach for Milan. He has had good results and seems able to keep his players motivated, yes. But Jose's public persona is, in my opinion, Not Classy and he is in his public persona Not A Gentleman and does not present the sort of image I personally would like to see Milan present. Also, he's never played at Milan and Milan has a history of hiring former players to coach them.

You're right about his public persona, but that's England. even "Sir" Alex Ferguson [more or less] has had such behaviour and public persona, Rafa and Wenger too. no disrespect, but that's how the English football is. even Barca and Real's coaches don't attack each other every weekend the way EPL coaches do, and they have the world's bitterest rivalry in football. I say it again, you're right about his manners, but there's no way you can convince me [and other Mou fans] that he will repeat those kind of behaviours in Italian league too, is there? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

With Jose Mourinho looking likely to take over as Coach of AC Milan next season, Carlo Garganese asks whether this is a good or bad move for the Rossoneri…

There can be no doubting that Jose Mourinho is one of the best coaches in world football – indeed his record speaks for itself.

Two full seasons at FC Porto – two Portuguese championships, one Portuguese Cup, one UEFA Cup, one Champions League, and one Portuguese Supercup.

Three full seasons at Chelsea – two Premier League titles, two League Cups, one FA Cup and one FA community shield.

Those people who say that the Special One only succeeded at Chelsea because of Roman Abramovich’s money are either jealous Arsenal, Liverpool or Manchester United supporters, or generally do not have much of an understanding of what being a manager is all about.

You can go through the history of the game and pick out numerous examples of teams that have been bankrolled by millionaire chairman or presidents and have achieved absolutely nothing.

Perhaps the best example of this in recent years is Inter Milan, who spent hundreds of millions of pounds when Massimo Moratti took over the club in the mid-90s and won nothing of any significance until after last season’s Calciopoli crisis.

Of course money is important, but nothing is more important than a great manager and that is what Mourinho is.

Tactically Mourinho is a genius – in this respect he is as good as any Italian coach – Capello and Lippi included.I have lost count the number of games that he influenced with inspired substitutions or masterful changes in tactics and formation.

Mourinho is what you call a proactive coach, rather than a reactive coach. He sees what is going to happen before it has happened, and thus makes a change to prevent that negative event from taking place.

Indeed I record a cup tie where he hauled off two of his players, one I think was Shaun Wright-Phillips, after just 30 minutes because the game was not going to plan.

Mourinho is perfect for the Italian game tactically. He has the Italian, win-at-all-costs mentality – the Machiavellian concept that “the end justifies the means”.

However for all his genius – is Mourinho the right kind of character for AC Milan?

The Rossoneri are renowned as a club who pride themselves on their class, prestige, history, diplomacy and political correctness.There can be no doubting that Mourinho, unless he has a sudden character change, is none of these things.
Some would call the self-proclaimed ‘Special One’ arrogant – others would say he just speaks the truth.Whichever side you take, there can be no doubting that Mourinho has often caused controversy. He was handed a two-match touchline ban by UEFA after he accused referee Anders Frisk of talking with Barcelona Coach Frank Rijkaard during half-time of a big Champions League knockout tie in 2005.
This led UEFA referee’s chief, Volker Roth, to describe Mourinho as an “enemy of football”. This did not deter the tactician who purportedly hid in a laundry basket in the Chelsea changing room so that he could speak to his players during the subsequent quarter-final tie with Bayern Munich, for which Mourinho was of course banned for.

Other storms include the Ashley Cole tapping-up incident as well as labelling Arsene Wenger as a “voyeur” following a dispute with the Arsenal boss.It is certain that a club with the esteemed stature of AC Milan will not tolerate such behaviour from Mourinho.

For all his wonderful charisma, and the unique press-conferences that delight many football fans, Mourinho will have to adhere to the Milan code of conduct. Whether this kind of marriage will last – I am not sure.

The second possible point of conflict comes over the team’s playing style. Mourinho favours his team to play tactically, physically and some would say defensively. Milan on the other hand are famed for their unique brand of beautiful and technical football. It is this that has led them to two Champions League victories, one final, one semi-final and one quarter-final in the past five years.
Whether or not the Rossoneri supporters would accept such a sudden shift from attack to defence is debatable.This may also pose a problem to players like Andrea Pirlo and Clarence Seedorf, who could struggle to flourish in a rigid tactical system.

Mourinho is very similar to Fabio Capello. Both are winners, however neither win with style.Capello won La Liga with Real Madrid last season, however he was immediately sacked because this was achieved by playing defensive and tactical football.Could the same thing happen to Mourinho at Milan?

If as expected, Mourinho does take over as Coach of Milan I have no doubts that he will do a brilliant job, and I could see him winning the Scudetto in his first season.However the doubts still remain over both his controversial nature and his ‘un-Milan’ style of football.

This is a decent article, and I think sums it all up. I don't know whether what he says about Clarence and Pirlo will come true though. If they do, I'd be pissed. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

I rate Carlo and Jose both highly.

The main arguement I have against Carlo is this: Yes, he has a family atmosphere, but why is this? Is this part of the reason Gourcuff doesn't get a chance to play - Because he's too busy keeping the 'stars' happy by playing them all the time?

One thing I love about Jose is that he will not be told what to do - don't get me wrong, I love Sheva - but the fact that he hardly played showed me something about Jose. He does what he wants, he's not going to be a yes man. If Silvio tells him the CL is his priority, it won't make a difference as he'll go after each trophy the same - that's the way Jose is.

Gourcuff will get his chance under Carlo, as will Pato ... U can't use that against Carlo, u just can't. Cuz up till now, he has produced on of the best teams in Europe!


The Sheva incident ... Well, at Milan, the team used to play for 'Sheva' ... If u go back to old games, u'd see that the formation was played around Shevchenko. When he left, the team struggled to fit Oli into that same system, and Carlo shifted it to a 4-3-2-1. Today it is played around Kaka'.

At Mourinho's Chelsea, they didn't play around Shevchenko. They played the typical English game. Long balls to a target man (Drogba), and Shevchenko's attributes doesn't come out to the full extent from that sort of play. Hence, he was isolated and dubbed to be a 'flop' in the EPL.

Bring Shevchenko back to Milan and see how he'd flourish under Carlo again (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[kdman]

Gourcuff will get his chance under Carlo, as will Pato ... U can't use that against Carlo, u just can't. Cuz up till now, he has produced on of the best teams in Europe!

I'm not sure really. He's not yet 30, y'know (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Tennie]

there's no way you can convince me [and other Mou fans] that he will repeat those kind of behaviours in Italian league too, is there?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

No, I suppose there isn't. But on the other hand, there's no way the Mourinho fans will convince me he'll have a personality transplant and suddenly become a diplomat and a gentleman. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) He was no angel at Porto when he was there, remember.

[Rossoneri7]

DP

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[Rossoneri7]

DP

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Dec 12 2007, 11:50 AM

[Rossoneri7]

Cool Ancelotti: Mourinho Speculation Spurs Me On 

With speculation suggestiung that Jose Mourinho will be appointed as the ne manager of AC Milan next season, the current job-holder, Carlo Ancelotti, says with a shrug that it just motivates him more...


Speculation linking Jose Mourinho with AC Milan does not faze the Rossoneri's incumbent, Fabio Capello, who would be the victim of any Mourinho appointment at the San Siro.

Mourinho took himself out of contention for the vacant England manager's job this week against a background of reports that the former Chelsea boss has been lined up to replace Ancelotti at Milan at the end of the season.

That would be enough to make most managers feel insecure, but Ancelotti remains phlegmatic about it all.

"I read an article in the Italian papers about Mourinho," the Italian told reporters in Yokohama, Japan, ahead of Milan's Fifa Club World Cup semi-final against Japan's Urawa Reds on Thursday.

"Milan were supposed to have offered him my job. They may have done but I haven't been informed by the club that there has been a formal offer.

"If Mourinho does want the job it just gives me extra motivation. External talk like that doesn't give me any added pressure."

Although Milan have struggled domestically this season and currently lie 10th in Serie A, 19 points adrift of leaders and city rivals Internazionale, Ancelotti sees no reason to panic.

"I'm simply concentrating on my job," he said. "I'm not distracted by rumours about Mourinho or whatever. I hope to carry on tomorrow as I did today."

Milan defender Alessandro Nesta is fully behind his current boss.

"We've worked together for a long time and we trust the coach," said Nesta.

"We have won many titles. We won the Champions League - that's why we're in Japan. We hope he stays."

Ancelotti also confirmed that striker Brazilian striker Ronaldo would be rested against Urawa in order to give him longer to get fit for Sunday's final.

"We talked with the medical staff and Ronaldo himself and decided not to risk him tomorrow," said Ancelotti.

"Obviously we hope Ronaldo will be fit to play in the final. You have to be careful and listen to the advice of the doctors in cases like this."

Ronaldo has hardly trained since suffering a calf strain while warming up for a Champions League game in Lisbon last month.

Ancelotti also revealed that club captain Paolo Maldini, playing in his final season before retiring, will make a rare start on Thursday.

Assuming Milan beat Urawa, the Rossoneri are likely to face Argentina's Boca Juniors in the final.

The South American champions play Tunisia's Etoile Sahel in Tokyo on Wednesday.

Goal.com



Forza Carlo Ancelotti (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)