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post Jan 30 2015, 05:06 PM
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Birth date: 19/11/1993

Birth place: Cadice (Spagna)

Height: 176 cm

Weight: 70 kg
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post Jul 6 2015, 12:48 PM
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Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you.

I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common

Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 6 2015, 11:48 AM) *
Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you.


Name a single example! For me, and this is key; you're only as good as your last match. I judge in real time. If someone has 3 bad matches and one good one I say they had three bad matches and one good one.

And I do rate Suso as a player, but he's immature like Niang was and plays like he did. Menez is what happens when that isn't coached out of a player.

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I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common

Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches


Even SES excelled in our last few matches. Even Pippo looked like a manager.

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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 6 2015, 01:55 PM) *
Name a single example! For me, and this is key; you're only as good as your last match. I judge in real time. If someone has 3 bad matches and one good one I say they had three bad matches and one good one.

And I do rate Suso as a player, but he's immature like Niang was and plays like he did. Menez is what happens when that isn't coached out of a player.

You mean just players from this season?

Armero, Bocchetti (not saying you're wrong there, but as soon as he had a bad game you turned on him completely), DS is suddenly sh!t to you after a couple of bad matches and months out injured, same with SES, Destro, Cerci, Suso, who you were all about and then suddenly, nah he's not good enough, etc.

My point is, that you can be right about certain players. But I prefer to give them a longer chance then suddenly decalring them a joke or bad after one bad or really terrible performance.

It's not like I don't agree with you about certain players from that list, but the quickness of your decision about them is a bit unfair.

Have we really seen enough of Suso to make any sort of logical assessment? No imo, far from it.

Are Bocchetti, Armero and Cerci terrible? Yes, I didn't want any of them in the first place. But I still gave them a chance, I gave Cerci even more than that before I completely threw in the towel and this coming from someone who was adamant about how average he is and his season at Torino was nothing but a fluke for a player who's pretty much failed in any decent side he's played for.

For me, I judge a player on a wider span of games than just 2 or 3, especially if they're new to the side.

QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 6 2015, 01:55 PM) *
Even SES excelled in our last few matches. Even Pippo looked like a manager.

Van Ginkel had been consistently good for the last 2 months though, he took a bit of time to get into a rhythm once Pippo started playing him regularly after February, but the last 2 months or so were very good from him.

We only looked decent in the last 2 or 3 games, which is not what I meant for Van Ginkel
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- han2503   Suso   Jan 30 2015, 05:06 PM
- - X-Offender   I'd really like to see him as CAM.   Jan 30 2015, 05:40 PM
- - Danny   The one problem with this signing is we're so ...   Jan 30 2015, 10:42 PM
|- - X-Offender   Technically, we only have Suso, Cerci and Menez, s...   Jan 30 2015, 11:05 PM
- - Danny   That relies on 2-3-1 which Pippo won't play. ...   Jan 30 2015, 11:31 PM
- - Danny   F*ck knows why we signed this guy, he's never ...   Feb 17 2015, 04:47 PM
- - X-Offender   Suso and Menez behind Destro with De Jong, Bona an...   Feb 17 2015, 06:52 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 17 2015, 05...   Feb 17 2015, 09:37 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 17 2015, 09:37 PM) I...   Feb 17 2015, 10:28 PM
- - Danny   Yes, hence I'd have him behind Destro in that ...   Feb 17 2015, 11:18 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Feb 17 2015, 11:18 PM) Yes...   Feb 19 2015, 11:46 AM
- - X-Offender   Still no chance given to this guy. Would it really...   Mar 19 2015, 12:46 PM
- - William405   http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2412406...ime-a...   Jul 4 2015, 12:31 PM
- - X-Offender   The only way he's getting playing time is if h...   Jul 4 2015, 02:23 PM
- - Danny   A poor man's Menez. Don't want him anywher...   Jul 4 2015, 10:26 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 4 2015, 10:26 PM) A po...   Jul 4 2015, 10:41 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 4 2015, 09:4...   Jul 5 2015, 05:25 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 05:25 AM) I do...   Jul 5 2015, 09:25 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 08:2...   Jul 5 2015, 11:26 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 11:26 AM) If h...   Jul 5 2015, 11:35 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 10:3...   Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM) Van ...   Jul 5 2015, 03:45 PM
- - Danny   If Sini's not playing with wingers, I struggle...   Jul 5 2015, 07:37 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 07:37 PM) If S...   Jul 5 2015, 07:57 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 06:5...   Jul 5 2015, 10:37 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 10:37 PM) Oh, ...   Jul 5 2015, 11:01 PM
- - Ry4n   shame if we let this guy go he gets pretty good in...   Jul 6 2015, 11:33 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (Ry4n @ Jul 6 2015, 10:33 AM) shame...   Jul 6 2015, 11:53 AM
- - X-Offender   Suso: "I can play the #10 role and be a start...   Jul 8 2015, 05:51 PM
|- - milanbuf88   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 8 2015, 01:5...   Jul 8 2015, 06:14 PM
- - han2503   I think if we're looking for someone to play t...   Jul 8 2015, 09:16 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 8 2015, 08:16 PM) I ...   Jul 8 2015, 09:25 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 8 2015, 09:25 PM) Ther...   Jul 8 2015, 09:48 PM
- - han2503   Bumped. Back from loan and will most likely be sta...   Aug 8 2016, 05:49 PM
- - Fishdoll   Suso has renewed through 2022, officially. Picture...   Sep 25 2017, 06:22 PM
- - X-Offender   He should be switched to the right, with Bonaventu...   Sep 25 2017, 06:24 PM
- - Fishdoll   Hrm. Details on the contract renewal: there's ...   Sep 25 2017, 08:24 PM


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