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post Jan 20 2015, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2015, 08:08 PM) *
I think the last 3 matches we played before the break Monto did look very good and he improved our play. He's not an assist man, but when he's doing his job right he helps to ensure the ball keeps moving and he controls tempo better than anyone we have.

I think those games vs these last 3 show a very clear slump in how he's playing, a complete nose dive in form and when he's playing like this, yes I agree, he becomes inconsequential to our game and doesn't add anything to it. However I disagree that this has been the case from day one. He had a very good first season with us. Last season was average at best and this season he's spent half of it out injured.

Very good first seasons? How tangible is that? What did he exactly make to be very good? I still think you've gotta do assists and goals to be very good in this game for a season, even a deep midfielder. You have some rare exemptions like Effenberg or Pirlo, but first, you look at their stats and you still see their contribution and secondly they add much more then just "tempo" and "moving the ball around". You like Montolivo, and out of all our midfielders, he may be the most talented one. But it's not enough. In fact, looking back, I hardly can find any past or present player like Montolivo, who sort of is our key midfielder but does not contribute with key stats. Can you name me one such (good) player?

Look at our midfield. You have Montolivo and NDJ who are practically vaccinated from being dangerous for the opposition. You can easily let Monto shoot around or cross the ball, because he rarely hits the target. Same for NDJ. You know how problematic this is? Players like Davids and Gattuso used to make up for this problem with giving their ins and outs, playing like pitbulls. Do you see this in Monto? Well, only when we play Barcelona.


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I get that you say that the injury is an "excuse" but you have to factor in that he is returning from a very serious leg fracture that required knee surgery to correct. Most players take an entire year to recover from that and start playing with any sort of consistency. Most never really return back to their old selves. Think David Villa, Wilshire, etc. I know people simply cannot accept this as an excuse because we're in a position were we can't afford to have him not playing well, we don't really have a back up so his failings are magnified even more.

But no, I get the whole injured thing. But problem is: Montolivo is back and I honestly think this is his old self, a recuperated Montolivo. I don't think it has anything to do with the injury. This was his problem all the way, he never once showed 3 good performances in a row, never actually worked his *** off or made some tangible contributions.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 20 2015, 02:05 AM) *
No offense, but that's horseshit. Keeps the ball moving? Controls the tempo? He does no such things. He's a useless dud, as useless as Muntari. He's never been anything impressive with this shirt. Only one decent season doesn't make you a good, reliable player. At best he can be a DM that breaks play and makes the simple pass, but even at that I wouldn't put much faith him. The fact that he's considered the "playmaker" of our team makes me shudder in disgust.

No man, Muntari is on another level. But yes, you got it right, playmaker my ***. Just think of Boban, Albertini, Rui Costa and Pirlo. Now put in Montolivo and you can instantly shoot yourself.
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- han2503   Serie A - Week 19 - Milan - Atalanta   Jan 15 2015, 11:28 AM
- - Danny   Allegri Jnr v his old team. Let's take the ti...   Jan 15 2015, 04:35 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 15 2015, 04:35 PM) All...   Jan 15 2015, 06:05 PM
- - X-Offender   Some reports suggesting we could play 4-2-3-1 Mon...   Jan 15 2015, 06:53 PM
|- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2015, 08...   Jan 15 2015, 07:27 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 15 2015, 07:27 ...   Jan 15 2015, 07:33 PM
|- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2015, 09...   Jan 15 2015, 08:19 PM
- - X-Offender   Here's Mediaset's line-up anyway: Lopez; A...   Jan 15 2015, 07:39 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2015, 07...   Jan 15 2015, 08:55 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 15 2015, 06...   Jan 15 2015, 11:35 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 04:35 AM) Ano...   Jan 16 2015, 07:08 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 16 2015, 06:08 AM) M...   Jan 16 2015, 02:50 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 07:50 PM) Kin...   Jan 16 2015, 03:50 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 02:50 PM) Kin...   Jan 16 2015, 08:28 PM
- - X-Offender   Alex and Mexes would be a very slow pairing. They...   Jan 16 2015, 09:30 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 16 2015, 09...   Jan 16 2015, 10:29 PM
||- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 16 2015, 09:29 PM) R...   Jan 16 2015, 11:17 PM
||- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 16 2015, 11:17 PM) You...   Jan 17 2015, 10:29 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 16 2015, 08...   Jan 16 2015, 11:16 PM
- - Danny   Like I said, at the time of me saying it we had ne...   Jan 18 2015, 10:31 AM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 10:31 AM) Lik...   Jan 18 2015, 11:33 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2015, 10:33 AM) I...   Jan 18 2015, 12:51 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   D.Lopez; Abate, Mexes, Rami, Bonera; Montolivo, De...   Jan 18 2015, 02:14 PM
- - X-Offender   That's possible the best line-up we can play e...   Jan 18 2015, 02:43 PM
- - X-Offender   I can't find any SopCast links for the match.   Jan 18 2015, 02:54 PM
|- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2015, 04...   Jan 18 2015, 02:58 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 12:51 PM) Yes...   Jan 18 2015, 03:01 PM
- - han2503   Good start, but we usually start this way then it ...   Jan 18 2015, 03:07 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   I'm enjoying El Shaarawy's work rate.   Jan 18 2015, 03:15 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   Menez should have sent a better shot there.   Jan 18 2015, 03:18 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 18 2015, 03:18 ...   Jan 18 2015, 03:19 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Again making the simple mistakes in midfield. Givi...   Jan 18 2015, 03:22 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   One down already.   Jan 18 2015, 03:36 PM
- - han2503   Menez trying to be too smart, another mistake in m...   Jan 18 2015, 03:36 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   And now we concede. How? Menez playing with the ba...   Jan 18 2015, 03:36 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 18 2015, 03:3...   Jan 18 2015, 03:37 PM
- - X-Offender   1-0 Pathetic. P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C. I haven't seen...   Jan 18 2015, 03:40 PM
- - han2503   This no striker system absolutely kills us in atta...   Jan 18 2015, 03:49 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2015, 05:49 PM) T...   Jan 18 2015, 03:51 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2015, 03:49 PM) T...   Jan 18 2015, 04:04 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2015, 04...   Jan 18 2015, 04:08 PM
- - Ry4n   im reading this atm http://www.amazon.com/Am-T...   Jan 18 2015, 03:58 PM
- - han2503   Why are SES and Menez both lumped in on the left n...   Jan 18 2015, 04:11 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2015, 04:11 PM) W...   Jan 18 2015, 04:17 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2015, 04...   Jan 18 2015, 04:26 PM
- - d'Arc.LP   If we loose this one, and I think we will, or even...   Jan 18 2015, 04:30 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 18 2015, 03:30 ...   Jan 18 2015, 04:58 PM
- - Linkman   I keep yelling at the screen "Sub yourself in...   Jan 18 2015, 04:35 PM
- - Linkman   I don't think Pippo is the problem. Just like...   Jan 18 2015, 04:38 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Linkman @ Jan 18 2015, 04:38 PM) I...   Jan 18 2015, 04:40 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   Maybe people will wake up and realise the players ...   Jan 18 2015, 05:01 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2015, 05:01 PM...   Jan 18 2015, 05:02 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2015, 04:01 PM...   Jan 18 2015, 05:03 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2015, 08:01 PM...   Jan 19 2015, 10:06 AM
- - Linkman   Oh but there is! Come on, we just switched coa...   Jan 18 2015, 04:42 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Linkman @ Jan 18 2015, 04:42 PM) O...   Jan 18 2015, 04:45 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Linkman @ Jan 18 2015, 04:42 PM) O...   Jan 18 2015, 04:57 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 18 2015, 03:57 PM) W...   Jan 18 2015, 04:59 PM
- - acid911   Our biggest problem are the background characters....   Jan 18 2015, 04:45 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 18 2015, 03:45 PM) O...   Jan 18 2015, 04:57 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 09:57 PM) Not...   Jan 18 2015, 05:07 PM
- - han2503   I think it's high time Galliani evaluated Pipp...   Jan 18 2015, 04:55 PM
- - Danny   Pippo out. That is all.   Jan 18 2015, 04:56 PM
- - X-Offender   Milan under Allegri, Seedorf and Inzaghi in the la...   Jan 18 2015, 05:05 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2015, 10...   Jan 18 2015, 05:13 PM
- - acid911   Oh, and just for the record, I believe we'd ha...   Jan 18 2015, 05:16 PM
|- - il_diavolo_mtl   QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 18 2015, 01:16 PM) O...   Jan 18 2015, 08:18 PM
- - il_diavolo_mtl   Also i've read that abate called out Cerci on ...   Jan 18 2015, 08:20 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jan 18 2015, 07:2...   Jan 18 2015, 09:21 PM
- - Danny   I'm going to give some ratings for the hell of...   Jan 18 2015, 09:20 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 09:20 PM) Mon...   Jan 19 2015, 01:09 AM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2015, 12...   Jan 19 2015, 01:06 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2015, 06:08 PM) I...   Jan 20 2015, 12:05 AM
- - Danny   PS the Cerci Abate spat has been more or less conf...   Jan 18 2015, 10:52 PM
- - X-Offender   Just re-watched the goal. It's clearly De Jong...   Jan 19 2015, 12:25 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2015, 11...   Jan 19 2015, 01:08 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2015, 01:08 PM) Lik...   Jan 19 2015, 03:15 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Don't forget your golden boy, Montolivo. Plent...   Jan 19 2015, 03:20 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 19 2015, 02:2...   Jan 19 2015, 03:51 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 19 2015, 03:2...   Jan 19 2015, 04:41 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2015, 06:41 PM) Y...   Jan 19 2015, 05:39 PM
||- - han2503   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 19 2015, 05:3...   Jan 19 2015, 06:08 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2015, 03:41 PM) @...   Jan 19 2015, 10:03 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 19 2015, 10:03 PM) My ...   Jan 19 2015, 10:50 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 19 2015, 09:50 PM) P...   Jan 19 2015, 10:57 PM
- - Danny   tbh Monto isn't like any of them Pippo. He has...   Jan 20 2015, 03:40 AM
- - X-Offender   This is mind-blowing. There were reports yesterday...   Jan 20 2015, 07:01 PM
|- - d'Arc.LP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 20 2015, 09...   Jan 20 2015, 07:09 PM
||- - X-Offender   QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 20 2015, 07:09 ...   Jan 20 2015, 07:13 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 20 2015, 09...   Jan 20 2015, 08:16 PM
|- - Forza Milan!   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 20 2015, 08...   Jan 21 2015, 02:42 AM
- - Danny   As much as Bertie and Gimrod have a part to play, ...   Jan 21 2015, 02:33 PM
- - X-Offender   That's why we were blaming Allegri in the firs...   Jan 21 2015, 03:27 PM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 21 2015, 05...   Jan 21 2015, 03:42 PM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2015, 08:4...   Jan 21 2015, 04:02 PM
|- - Danny   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 21 2015, 02:4...   Jan 21 2015, 04:23 PM
|- - Forza Milan!   QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 21 2015, 05:23 PM) Rea...   Jan 21 2015, 06:01 PM
- - Danny   The day X off gives any kind of 'support' ...   Jan 21 2015, 03:28 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Balotelli was the difference maker, while SES and ...   Jan 21 2015, 08:18 PM
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