[Danny]

Difficult to know where to start - it's been a crushingly disappointing 24 hours. On this forum there are huge splits in terms of where the blame lies. If indeed there is any real blame.

Last summer of 2011 we had the real potential, having won the league and secured entry to the CL, to enhance the squad with real quality. Invest in the team and make us elite again. We got Aquilani, Sharrawy, Mexes, Nocerino and Muntari.

None of these are achingly poor players, but they were hardly the marquee quality we needed - and despite an honourable showing against Barca, we didn't win the CL and in the league we've been extremely inconsistent.

It's very difficult to know where to start - but the one critical change we need is squad investment. We do have very good players, wonderful players, but not enough of them. When you look at the top clubs they have at least 20 top top players - City, United, Barca, Real, Bayern - big world class squads designed to cope with injuries, suspensions, and a genuine challenge for the top honours.

We don't have that. We do have the CL again next season, and the default money which comes from that, but Silvio, with a bit of time on his hands these days, really does have to make some big signings. The fans need a boost, and frankly many millions require spending.

As for Allegri - as long as I have been a Milan fan fellow Rossoneri have never agreed on the manager - from Carlo, to Leo, to Allegri - all have been 'wrong' in the eyes of the fans no matter what they won.

Problem is a manager is only one man - 100% of fans are never going to agree with you, and even winning a league might not be enough to prove your doubters wrong.

So I don't know where I stand on the boss.

But I do know this squad needs reinforcement of the highest quality - guys who will cost a fortune but be definite starters and take us up a level.

[han2503]

Have to say this post contradicts everything you've been saying. Allegri fucked up this, our performances were shite there, yet somehow to support your squad depth argument you're using the contrary notion that we did well this season.

How did we do well exactly? By Allegri's tacticaly masterstrokes, or by some inidividualistic brilliance from certain players?

Answer that and you'll have the answer to that post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)





I said all things considered, our squad depth still provided enough cover for us to still have options even when we barely had half the team fit. That should say enough in regards to the depth we have vs what Juve have. As for the reason why we still managed to do what we did, answer the question above

[Danny]

How did we do well exactly? By Allegri's tacticaly masterstrokes, or by some inidividualistic brilliance from certain players?

Answer that and you'll have the answer to that post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You're still not being entirely fair. We won the league last season, yet this season we've failed to do so. Are you trying to say, honestly, we won in spite of the boss, rather than because of him?

Are you basically taking all the credit away from Allegri and giving it solely to the players?

We're not Barca - there's an argument for this incredible team who Guardolia steered. We have a fairly good but not incredible team, ditto last year. But we won the Scudetto. Surely Allegri was part of that?

I said all things considered, our squad depth still provided enough cover for us to still have options even when we barely had half the team fit. That should say enough in regards to the depth we have vs what Juve have. As for the reason why we still managed to do what we did, answer the question above

Juventus:

1 Italy GK Gianluigi Buffon (vice-captain)
3 Italy DF Giorgio Chiellini
4 Uruguay DF Martín Cáceres (on loan from Sevilla)
6 Italy DF Fabio Grosso
7 Italy MF Simone Pepe
8 Italy MF Claudio Marchisio
10 Italy FW Alessandro Del Piero (captain)
11 Italy DF Paolo De Ceglie
13 Austria GK Alexander Manninger
14 Montenegro FW Mirko Vučinić
15 Italy DF Andrea Barzagli
17 Netherlands MF Eljero Elia
18 Italy FW Fabio Quagliarella
19 Italy DF Leonardo Bonucci
20 Italy MF Simone Padoin
21 Italy MF Andrea Pirlo
22 Chile MF Arturo Vidal
23 Italy FW Marco Borriello (on loan from Roma)
24 Italy MF Emanuele Giaccherini
26 Switzerland DF Stephan Lichtsteiner
27 Serbia MF Miloš Krasić
28 Paraguay MF Marcelo Estigarribia
30 Italy GK Marco Storari
32 Italy FW Alessandro Matri
34 Italy MF Luca Marrone

25 players.

AC Milan:

1 Italy GK Marco Amelia
4 Netherlands MF Mark van Bommel
5 France DF Philippe Mexès
7 Brazil FW Alexandre Pato
8 Italy MF Gennaro Gattuso (vice-captain)
9 Italy FW Filippo Inzaghi
10 Netherlands MF Clarence Seedorf
11 Sweden FW Zlatan Ibrahimović
13 Italy DF Alessandro Nesta
14 Ghana MF Sulley Muntari (on loan from Internazionale)[42]
15 Algeria DF Djamel Mesbah
16 France MF Mathieu Flamini
18 Italy MF Alberto Aquilani (on loan from Liverpool)[43]
19 Italy DF Gianluca Zambrotta
20 Italy DF Ignazio Abate
21 Argentina FW Maxi López (on loan from Catania)[44]
22 Italy MF Antonio Nocerino
23 Italy MF Massimo Ambrosini (captain)
24 Sierra Leone MF Rodney Strasser
25 Italy DF Daniele Bonera
27 Ghana MF Kevin-Prince Boateng
28 Netherlands MF Urby Emanuelson
30 Italy GK Flavio Roma
32 Italy GK Christian Abbiati
33 Brazil DF Thiago Silva
37 Germany MF Alexander Merkel
52 Italy DF Mattia De Sciglio
57 Italy MF Mattia Valoti
70 Brazil FW Robinho
76 Colombia DF Mario Yepes
77 Italy DF Luca Antonini
92 Italy FW Stephan El Shaarawy
99 Italy FW Antonio Cassano
Nigeria FW Kingsley Umunegbu [45]

34 players.

We have 9 more than Juve. But how many of ours are dead wood or youth players? Juventus have a smaller squad, but overall a higher average quality of player. But that's just my opinion.