[Danny]

Difficult to know where to start - it's been a crushingly disappointing 24 hours. On this forum there are huge splits in terms of where the blame lies. If indeed there is any real blame.

Last summer of 2011 we had the real potential, having won the league and secured entry to the CL, to enhance the squad with real quality. Invest in the team and make us elite again. We got Aquilani, Sharrawy, Mexes, Nocerino and Muntari.

None of these are achingly poor players, but they were hardly the marquee quality we needed - and despite an honourable showing against Barca, we didn't win the CL and in the league we've been extremely inconsistent.

It's very difficult to know where to start - but the one critical change we need is squad investment. We do have very good players, wonderful players, but not enough of them. When you look at the top clubs they have at least 20 top top players - City, United, Barca, Real, Bayern - big world class squads designed to cope with injuries, suspensions, and a genuine challenge for the top honours.

We don't have that. We do have the CL again next season, and the default money which comes from that, but Silvio, with a bit of time on his hands these days, really does have to make some big signings. The fans need a boost, and frankly many millions require spending.

As for Allegri - as long as I have been a Milan fan fellow Rossoneri have never agreed on the manager - from Carlo, to Leo, to Allegri - all have been 'wrong' in the eyes of the fans no matter what they won.

Problem is a manager is only one man - 100% of fans are never going to agree with you, and even winning a league might not be enough to prove your doubters wrong.

So I don't know where I stand on the boss.

But I do know this squad needs reinforcement of the highest quality - guys who will cost a fortune but be definite starters and take us up a level.

[kurtsimonw]

When Max actually gets investment and "fails" then I'll join others in saying he has to go. But as things stand he, like Leo, hasn't exactly been given players that have league title quality in them. Juventus will bring in a goal-scorer in the summer and they'll basically have no weak link, we need to sure we don't either.

[han2503]

When Max actually gets investment and "fails" then I'll join others in saying he has to go. But as things stand he, like Leo, hasn't exactly been given players that have league title quality in them. Juventus will bring in a goal-scorer in the summer and they'll basically have no weak link, we need to sure we don't either.

Having the best squad in the league should be enough to at least win that. Juve have 15 draws FFS!! Had we won at least 1 or 2 of our head-to-head games against the top sides in the league than we would have won this title. That's the main difference here. Allegri failed in all the big encounters, and those cannot all be blamed on injuries

[kurtsimonw]

Having the best squad in the league should be enough to at least win that.

As Conte proved.

Do you think Ancelotti should've been sacked 4/5 years before he was then?

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 7 2012, 12:22 PM

[han2503]

As Conte proved.

Do you think Ancelotti should've been sacked 4/5 years before he was then?

Lol, Juve have the best squad in the league? Really? Allegri has by far the best squad, the best individuals and the most experianced set of players in the league. And yet he failed big time. What Conte did is turn those players who might not all be great into a real group instead of what we had, a bunch of individuals wearing the same shirt. Because that is what this team has been turned into under Allegri. Juve played the entire season as a cohesive unit which made up for a lot of deficiancies that they had in quality. While Allegri couldn't make the quality at his disposal count. Instead he showed a stubborn streak and an unwillingness to compromise throughout

I tell you what Juve have better than us, and it's certainly not the squad, but the man in charge of that squad.

2 CL titles buy a person time. A league title won because Silvio brought in Ibra at the beginning of the season can only go so far (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[kurtsimonw]

2 CL titles buy a person time. A league title won because Silvio brought in Ibra at the beginning of the season can only go so far (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Pretty sure the 2nd CL title wasn't until 2007 right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Why wasn't he sacked before that season?

And yes, Juve had the best squad in the league, by some considerable distance. Then again, I'm talking to a person who thinks Mexes is World class and all Juve's defenders are mediocre.

[X-Offender]

Pretty sure the 2nd CL title wasn't until 2007 right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Why wasn't he sacked before that season?

Because he managed to achieve another CL final in 2005, which we should have won, and a semi-final in 2006, in which we were robbed. Under Carlo we never really gave that much importance to the league, because we were rather unstoppable in Europe. 3 finals and a semi-final in 5 years is an outstanding achievement.

So Ancelotti won 5 trophies in 5 years, Max has won 2 in 2 years. What's the problem?

Actually, Ancelotti won 8 trophies in 5 years (2002-2007), namely:

Serie A: 2004
Coppa Italia: 2003
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
CL: 2003, 2007
UEFA SuperCup: 2003, 2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

[kurtsimonw]

Because he managed to achieve another CL final in 2005, which we should have won, and a semi-final in 2006, in which we were robbed. Under Carlo we never really gave that much importance to the league, because we were rather unstoppable in Europe. 3 finals and a semi-final in 5 years is an outstanding achievement.

Then that's unacceptable. Winning Serie A > doing well in CL. He has no excuses to even give up on eiterh given the squad he had at his disposal.

Actually, Ancelotti won 8 trophies in 5 years (2002-2007), namely:

Serie A: 2004
Coppa Italia: 2003
Supercoppa Italiana: 2004
CL: 2003, 2007
UEFA SuperCup: 2003, 2007
FIFA Club World Cup: 2007

We were talking pre-2007.

So in reality they've done about the same. Ancelotti won 2 meaningful trophies in 4 years, Allegri has won 1 in 2 years. Which was my point, nobody wanted him sacked then did they?

If his name was not Allegri and was Maldini or Van Basten, I have a feeling people would not be talking of a sacking.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 7 2012, 06:38 PM

[X-Offender]

Then that's unacceptable. Winning Serie A > doing well in CL. He has no excuses to even give up on eiterh given the squad he had at his disposal.

Can't agree. The Serie A is worthless compared to the Champions League. And we also must consider the fact Juve had a fantastic team back then, and we always came in second to them. So, whilst they were winning in Italy but failing in Europe, we were doing the opposite. Fair trade, I'd say.

We were talking pre-2007.

So in reality they've done about the same. Ancelotti won 2 meaningful trophies in 4 years, Allegri has won 1 in 2 years. Which was my point, nobody wanted him sacked then did they?

Because under Carlo we played some amazing football? Because under him we were one of, if not the strongest team in the world? Come on now!

If his name was not Allegri and was Maldini or Van Basten, I have a feeling people would not be talking of a sacking.

That's absurd. I don't care what his name is, I care about what an awful coach he is.