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Fillipo Simone
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Important derby. Very curious to see how it goes.
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post Oct 28 2010, 04:44 PM
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Finally a sensible post, shevchenko_007. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) I have been reading both sides of the arguments, and for better or for worse, both parties are sticking to an extreme. Stats don't lie and neither do facts: Ronaldinho was our best player in terms of numbers last season, AND, he usually falters against big sides in must-win matches. Not just teams in the CL, but also in the last leg of the league earlier this year, when he said that we have to win these last 6 matches and treat them as knockout final. Guess, what we fared poorly in almost all of them, and Roma leapfrogged us.

All in all, I'd be inclined to call it an honorable draw, though personally I'm on Han's side - we can't discredit Ronaldinho completely, but again, he is the present, not the future, not someone we can build the club around for another 5 years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) And you raised some very good points and, I agree with almost all of them. It's about time we broke the status quo - young players should have taken the reins two years from now, but we still have veterans starting those who played the 2003 final.

For my money, the reason we falter against big teams and in high-profile matches is that the midfield is completely sucked dry out from the game. X-Off calls it pace, Han calls it old legs of the midfield players, and that is the stone cold truth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) I have been watching recorded old full matches, from 2009-10 season, and even this year, in all big matches, the team is scrapping for breath against the Reals, Manchesters, and inters.

And that is the reason why R80 falters, he just does not get the ball. A player like him will creating something out of nothing provided he gets adequate service. Same goes for strikers and forwards. A broken midfield puts constant pressure on the defense, and makes the attack as impotent as a room of eunuchs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The moments where we had a solid buildup attack (in big matches) can be counted on one hand. That's the reason for 0-4 (x2) and the recent 0-2. And like it or not, that's the reason for Ronaldinho's failings against big teams. He has to track back and get the ball, and pass the ball accurately (with opposing players on his tail).

Sure he has his flaws too, and he is no way near the player he once was, but still he is Top 10 material any given Sunday. The only time I would blame him is if he gets ample service and fails to make anything of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) And there have been moments like this, hence the jury is still out on this!
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- Fillipo Simone   Serie A - Week 9: AC Milan vs. Juventus   Oct 26 2010, 03:21 PM
- - X-Offender   I'm really curious to see whether Allegri will...   Oct 26 2010, 03:32 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2010, 04...   Oct 26 2010, 03:49 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   What's the latest on Antonini? Is he good? I ...   Oct 26 2010, 03:54 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   Oops, Abbiati of course is already recovered. ...   Oct 26 2010, 04:11 PM
- - X-Offender   Antonini should be part of the game, I read on TMW...   Oct 26 2010, 04:02 PM
- - Zed.D   Luca to come back? his forehead looked terrible wh...   Oct 26 2010, 06:28 PM
- - X-Offender   He's one tough cookie.   Oct 26 2010, 06:41 PM
- - han2503   Filippo, edited your post, it's week 9 not 8   Oct 26 2010, 07:40 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   OOps, thanks. It looks like I'm in a streak of...   Oct 26 2010, 07:49 PM
- - Fishdoll   This one isn't quite deserving of a -1 cookie,...   Oct 26 2010, 09:56 PM
- - Linkman   I hope Dinho plays. ...don't stone me.   Oct 26 2010, 11:11 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 27 2010, 12:11 AM) I...   Oct 26 2010, 11:22 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   I really don't. Milan actually had a good offe...   Oct 26 2010, 11:22 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 12:2...   Oct 26 2010, 11:50 PM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2010, 02...   Oct 27 2010, 09:07 AM
- - Linkman   I'm not sure how this whole playing with no Di...   Oct 27 2010, 12:16 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 27 2010, 01:16 AM) I...   Oct 27 2010, 12:38 AM
- - Linkman   Not complaining... Just worried that in the case O...   Oct 27 2010, 12:44 AM
- - X-Offender   Because Ronaldinho and Seedorf aren't playing?...   Oct 27 2010, 01:22 AM
- - Darunia   I would like to see Flamini get a start but I know...   Oct 27 2010, 05:09 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 26 2010, 08:2...   Oct 27 2010, 05:47 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   But I cheat at Russian roulette. I use blanks...an...   Oct 27 2010, 06:49 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 26 2010, 11:49 ...   Oct 27 2010, 07:21 AM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 26 2010, 04:11 PM) I...   Oct 27 2010, 07:26 AM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 27 2010, 08:26 A...   Oct 27 2010, 11:23 AM
- - Zed.D   Blue.. what kind of drug are you on these days?...   Oct 27 2010, 09:11 AM
- - samira   So damn glaf that Krasic is not going to play and ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:28 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2010, 11...   Oct 27 2010, 09:37 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 10:37 AM) R...   Oct 27 2010, 01:42 PM
||- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2010, 01...   Oct 27 2010, 02:02 PM
||- - Zed.D   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2010, 05...   Oct 27 2010, 02:28 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 10:37 AM) R...   Oct 27 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 27 2010, 04:22 ...   Oct 27 2010, 03:26 PM
- - acid911   Blue is celebrating "Talk like Jose Mourinho...   Oct 27 2010, 12:02 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Maybe, but don't force me to try my Dirty Harr...   Oct 27 2010, 12:42 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   As for always covers...what...a few weeks, two mon...   Oct 27 2010, 01:49 PM
- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 02:4...   Oct 27 2010, 02:38 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2010, 01...   Oct 27 2010, 02:55 PM
||- - X-Offender   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 03:55 PM) Y...   Oct 27 2010, 03:25 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2010, 03...   Oct 27 2010, 06:39 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 27 2010, 06:39 ...   Oct 27 2010, 06:46 PM
- - Fishdoll   edit: nevermind. seems there's too much testos...   Oct 27 2010, 03:14 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 27 2010, 03:22 ...   Oct 27 2010, 04:41 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 05:41 PM) I...   Oct 27 2010, 05:58 PM
- - RinoIlCapitano   Oh god clear bulshit with Dinho, he resolved last ...   Oct 27 2010, 05:26 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   My god, some posters here should be deeply ashamed...   Oct 27 2010, 05:35 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 07:3...   Oct 27 2010, 06:23 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   I don't see the point of this debate. We all k...   Oct 27 2010, 06:29 PM
|- - William405   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 08:2...   Oct 27 2010, 06:37 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 27 2010, 04:58 ...   Oct 27 2010, 06:31 PM
- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 07:31 PM) Z...   Oct 27 2010, 06:47 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 27 2010, 05:47 ...   Oct 27 2010, 07:07 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2010, 08:07 PM) E...   Oct 27 2010, 07:28 PM
|- - X-Offender   The inability of some people in here to read a foo...   Oct 27 2010, 08:58 PM
- - Linkman   Thank you han, for having the skill and the patien...   Oct 27 2010, 07:16 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Ronaldinho only scores against minor teams Well, ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:23 PM
|- - Dracoris   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 04:2...   Oct 27 2010, 09:51 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 10:3...   Oct 27 2010, 09:34 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   ? I suggest you stop with that impersonation beca...   Oct 27 2010, 09:38 PM
- - Bluesummers   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 27 2010, 02:3...   Oct 27 2010, 09:46 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Dracoris @ Oct 27 2010, 10:51 PM) ...   Oct 27 2010, 11:08 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   No comment.   Oct 27 2010, 09:48 PM
- - CHU-LIP   Pato scores like as often as he plays a game.. (2 ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:54 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   I agree that Pato scores more, it's obvious - ...   Oct 27 2010, 09:56 PM
- - Zed.D   I agree that Pato needs to sit out a game, but not...   Oct 27 2010, 10:04 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Could you please keep your judgmental and offensiv...   Oct 27 2010, 11:17 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 28 2010, 12:1...   Oct 27 2010, 11:22 PM
- - servbot   QUOTE ("fishdoll")edit: nevermind. seems...   Oct 27 2010, 11:21 PM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (servbot @ Oct 28 2010, 12:21 AM) I...   Oct 28 2010, 12:43 AM
- - Fillipo Simone   Calling Dracoris self-delusional. QUOTE It seems ...   Oct 28 2010, 12:03 AM
|- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 28 2010, 01:0...   Oct 28 2010, 12:27 AM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 28 2010, 12...   Oct 28 2010, 09:06 AM
||- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 28 2010, 10:06 AM) I...   Oct 28 2010, 09:41 AM
||- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 28 2010, 08:41 ...   Oct 28 2010, 10:38 AM
||- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 28 2010, 11:43 AM) B...   Oct 28 2010, 11:33 AM
|- - Zed.D   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 28 2010, 03...   Oct 28 2010, 10:01 AM
||- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 28 2010, 11:01 AM) Bec...   Oct 28 2010, 10:14 AM
|- - Fillipo Simone   QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 28 2010, 01...   Oct 28 2010, 11:58 AM
- - Zed.D   LOL what are you taking about?! I just said s...   Oct 28 2010, 10:36 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 28 2010, 09:14 ...   Oct 28 2010, 10:43 AM
- - Zed.D   QUOTE X-Offender made valid points, though you don...   Oct 28 2010, 10:47 AM
- - X-Offender   QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 28 2010, 11:47 AM) Act...   Oct 28 2010, 01:26 PM
- - William405   About the Dinho-Robinho Debate: Dinho has proved t...   Oct 28 2010, 02:18 PM
- - X-Offender   I'd rather play a fast paced game with short p...   Oct 28 2010, 02:29 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 28 2010, 03:18 PM...   Oct 28 2010, 02:44 PM
- - William405   I don't know if it sounded this way,but that w...   Oct 28 2010, 02:43 PM
- - William405   Inzaghi as Ibra's replacment because Ibra is a...   Oct 28 2010, 02:48 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 28 2010, 03:48 PM...   Oct 28 2010, 02:50 PM
- - William405   ...This is getting stupid,you're statement is ...   Oct 28 2010, 03:00 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:00 PM...   Oct 28 2010, 03:07 PM
- - William405   I think you got me wrong,I was talking that Robinh...   Oct 28 2010, 03:30 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:30 PM...   Oct 28 2010, 03:37 PM
- - shevchenko_007   Some riveting arguments here lol... I love reading...   Oct 28 2010, 04:02 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 28 2010, 04:44 PM) F...   Oct 28 2010, 07:06 PM
|- - CHU-LIP   QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 28 2010, 05:44 PM) A...   Oct 28 2010, 07:18 PM
|- - han2503   QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 28 2010, 06:18 ...   Oct 28 2010, 07:22 PM
- - amancik   QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 29 2010, 02:22 AM) N...   Oct 28 2010, 09:38 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Hang me if you want, but I want to see a Pippo-Ibr...   Oct 29 2010, 12:33 AM
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