Important derby. Very curious to see how it goes.

I'm really curious to see whether Allegri will have the balls to propose the same line-up that beat Napoli or he'll just switch back to his lovers Dinho and Seedorf.

I hope he sticks with Robinho and Boateng rather than Ronaldinho and Seedorf.

What are going to miss the match? What's up with Antonini, Thiago Silva, Abbiati, Zambrotta, et cetera?

What's the latest on Antonini? Is he good?

I just hope that if somehow both Antonini and Zambro are out, Janku will be used. Just to avoid Bonera being our LB.

Antonini should be part of the game, I read on TMW. The official website says Thiago and Ambro trained outside, doing runnings. Dinho, Zambro and Abate trained in the gym. And Abbiati seemed fine against Napoli, so I don't think there's any problem with him.

My guess is we'll recover everyone, but I'm still doubtful about Thiago.

Oops, Abbiati of course is already recovered.


If only one of Antonini and Zambrotta can play, I would put him on the left and reward Oddo with a start.

Luca to come back? his forehead looked terrible when he was being stretched out...

He's one tough cookie.

Filippo, edited your post, it's week 9 not 8

OOps, thanks. It looks like I'm in a streak of mistakes.

This one isn't quite deserving of a -1 cookie, though. At least not today, as this fish is in good spirits.

That white jersey team drew 0-0 with Murcia in the copa del rey.

I hope Dinho plays.

...don't stone me.

I really don't. Milan actually had a good offense against Napoli; we didn't lack anything.

But, Juve is still a tougher opponent, and this is a derby. I do agree that every now and then Dinho is capable of that something special that is often needed in such matches.

Dinho is capable of special things only against mattress teams like Lecce and Chievo. He would have failed big time had he played against Napoli last night. A big no-no for Juventus and Madrid.

I'm not sure how this whole playing with no Dinho/Zee is going to work out. Both our goals against Napoli came from Oddo, of all people. Imagine if he didn't have such a great night. Would we have managed to create enough chances to score twice?

I only managed to watch the last 20 minutes of the monday game, so I can't really judge if we managed to create chances or not... But in theory, at least, I wouldn't play with no creative players.

EDIT: Oh and Chu...

Btw, if last season is any indication, benching Dinho against Juve is a mistake!

Robinho and Pirlo are creative players, no matter how you see it. We had plenty of other chances to score last night, and could have easily scored one of them instead of the two we did. The fact that both goals came from Oddo's crosses was a pure coincidence. In fact, we should be glad about it. When was the last time we scored from a fullback's cross?

Not complaining... Just worried that in the case Oddo doesn't find himself inspired again, we end up goalless.

Because Ronaldinho and Seedorf aren't playing? That's completely illogical. The main reason we won last night was because those two didn't play.

I would like to see Flamini get a start but I know that's asking too much. Hopefully Rino has one of his better days.

No need for the curious.

simply...we win. Very good. Fantastic performance. We are soon to be champion. We are the best.


No one is better. Juventus better give up; don't need name in shame.


Is not possible for juvenuts to beat milan. why? because juventus are S***. Jack has more chance to win game of russian roulete than juventus at football.


We will be very happy this weekend; I will be happy, jack will be happy. Shevchenko will be happy.


It will be a very good finish.

But I cheat at Russian roulette. I use blanks...and give the other guy a semiautomatic.

no is not possible. You do not cheat.

Someone so fantastic as you cannot be a cheat. Is not possible.


Do not attempt to fool others with such lies.

You are not a cheat. is a fact. Even shevchenko agrees.

Is not possible for dinho to play.

He was busy, last week with hot girl at party.


He show her the magic ...very nicely. But she was like italian defender, electric fence put in front of goal. Dinho could not score.


SHe end up hurting the magic very very badly. It was not not a good night. The fantastic performance of the dinho was not there, she was very dissapointed.

She said to him: " You are not good, retire. Dot Cotton have more chance to score than Ronaldinho"


Ronaldinho was very very sad. He cry for hours with Rafa talking only about facts. He became even more sad. He gott to hospital in milano.


In hospital he met dr. x-off. The doctor said to the dinho; you have full blown aids. Stay at home; stay away from football. You are to retire immediately. Never again return to field.




Right now dinho is nowhere to be found. We are very sad for him :'(

Last season he had a great game against Juve so I disagree. no way he's lost it all over a year.

Blue.. what kind of drug are you on these days?! (chi zadi?)

"Is not possible for dinho to play." did you eat it?

So damn glaf that Krasic is not going to play and Thaigo Silva will.
But that was a bad way to fake a penalty, to miss it too

Robinho is not a creative player...

As for the game against Napoli. All those great chances you talk about came from long balls when Pirlo got it back in our own half. We didn't create a single chance that came from build up play. And imo that is a big issue. I'm not even talking about Dinho and Seedorf here. But if we're going to play this system we cannot have Pirlo doing the dirty work while Rino is high up the pitch, which is what I saw against Napoli. Pirlo is our only creative player in that lineup, so that is what he needs to do, not defend.

As for the Napoli game in general, you're making it out to be like we played a blinder of a game just because Dinho wasn't playing

We were very lucky to get out of there with the win, not to mention we were playing with a man extra for more then 45 minutes. The fact that we scored 2 lucky goals because Oddo decided to wake up does not prove your point that we can play with that front 3. What I saw was Pato again being totally wasted and also Ibra to a certain extent. While both these players thrived when Dinho played behind them


Don't even bother with it zeddie. X-off is completely blinded by his dislike for Dinho. So it's pointless

Stream of consciousness? What's your point?

Blue is celebrating "Talk like Jose Mourinho" week, what else? One doesn't need consciousness for that, it's just about going with the flow, the natural energy. No wonder the media loves Mou!

Maybe, but don't force me to try my Dirty Harry/Clint Eastwood talk-weak.

LOL, this blindness of mine regarding Ronaldinho is way too funny. Like I don't want Milan to win if he's playing. I don't prefer Dinho because he's not capable of playing at high levels anymore. If you still believe he does, then I have nothing more to say to you. I'd gladly play him against Cagliari or Brescia, but against these big sides? He'll flop like he always has.

As for always covers...what...a few weeks, two months?

You're basically saying that we played great against Napoli, simply to prove your point that we can play without Dinho, which is ridiculous because we only managed to play decnt for 30 minutes against Napoli, this while having the advantage with the extra man. You're saying we created a lot of chances, when in reality non of them came from build up play, simply to point out that we can play without a playmaker, who ever that is.

As for Dinho and his ability to play at high levels, you only came up with that theory after the Real game, where yes he played like cr@p but so did the rest of the team You b!thed about his work rate before, then when he did start working a lot you found something else to b!tch about.

Don't act childishly for god's sake.

More like three years.



I'm saying that we managed to keep up against a dynamic team like Napoli because our two handicaps in these sort of games, Seedorf and Ronaldinho, didn't play. The team was much more balanced, determined and fast. Everyone was running to win balls for the whole 90 minutes, and we won because these factors allowed us to.

In my eyes, Pirlo is a playmaker. Take Inter's midfield and attack last season (Cambiasso, Zanetti, Sneijder, Pandev, Eto'o and Milito), the only creative player in that bunch was Sneijder, yet they managed to overpower any opponent along their way. Why? Because they lacked quality? No. Because they had a well-functioning mechanism, with players willing to sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the team. This is how you win in modern football nowadays. Quality is just one variable. You also need determination, motivation and the spirit of sacrifice to succeed.



So what if I mentioned it only after the game against Madrid. Does it conceal the fact that during his three years of Milan, he's always flopped in the big games? Save the first derby against Inter and the home game against Manchester, the guy has been a huge disappointment when duty called him to be a protagonist. Why? BECAUSE HE CAN'T PLAY AT HIGH LEVELS ANYMORE. Fix this in your little head, my dear han.

You're comparing apples to oranges

Inter have Cambiasso, Zanetti and Sneijder, while we have Rino, Pirlo and Boateng. Totally different thing. Also the fact that we play Pirlo in front of the defence instead of higher up the pitch like Inter play Sneijder changes things completely.

Again you're trying to justify something, without having any basis for it. We are not Inter, we don't hae the same players Inter do, thus can't play like them. The reason we got sh!t out of that Napoli game was because A. The ref helped us big time. B. Napoli's finishing was as sh!t as their defence on both our goals. Again trying to make it seem like something it's not to prove your point


All I have to say to this is

edit: nevermind. seems there's too much testosterone-driven posturing and/or fanfic entries extolling the coach of another club for actual discussion on the game to be considered.

Gonna swim away to a place where people actually discuss football in mature terms.

Thankfully Pirlo and Ibrahimovic are, and they need players like Robinho and Boateng rather than Ronaldinho and Seedorf. It's time to play with both creative players and those who add something else called pace, work rate and movement.


So if Oddo gives assists it's lucky? It's only not lucky when Ronaldinho (or Pirlo) gives an assist, right? This is actually exactly what I like to see: different players in the team that gives assists. Finally not just Ronaldinho, but one time Ibrahimovic, the other time a full back (FINALLY - isn't full backs givings assists what we were dying to see?), and Boateng, Pirlo, Robinho etc. should be able to give assists also. Not only the creative players can/should give assists. We have Pirlo and Ibrahimovic in our team, one of the most creative midfielders and one of the most creative CF's. They need to be surrounded by players like Boateng and Robinho. Enough of too many players who hold up our play, enough of the predictable playing style, enough of the lack of movement, work rate and pace in our team. Robinho's pace and movement links our midfield and attack better, and of course you will have less creativity in your team with benching Ronaldinho, but we still have others for that. What Robinho adds, if you bench him, we will lack something actually.

Comparing teams and players is only natural han, don't make it look like some sort of heresy. I'm just saying that in terms of quality, Inter are not that far ahead from us. The aspect where Inter have crushed us completely in the last few years is what I mentioned above. You honestly, truly, sincerely believe that if Ronaldinho and/or Seedorf had played against Napoli, things would have turned in our favor? We played the best possible eleven on Monday, out of the players we had available.

THANK YOU!

I did not say it was lucky, I said we were lucky to score because Napoli's defence was terrible on both goals. While their finishing was just as terrible. They had more chances then us, better chances. I fail to see how ou 2 can view this match as a positive aside from the result.

Like I keep saying to X-off, yess Pirlo is a creative player, but if Allegri keeps insisting on playing him in front of the defence then we'll need a true AM on the field. Ad I'm not saying that I don't like that we actually managed to score from play from the wings that Dinho wasn't involved in, but let's face it, do you really believe that Oddo can pull off more then a handful of performances like that. Our strength is the middle

Flamini--Pirlo--Boateng

Not the wings. So when Oddo or the other FBs don't play like that where are the goals coming from. Pirlo is shackled doing defensive work. Which again is my main issue

Anyway, my main point is, if we're going to play without Dinho, I'm more then fine with it, as long as we play like this



Don't get me started on the Pato issues this formation brings

But if Allegri keeps insisting on having Pirlo so deep then Dinho needs to play




But you're comparing the way we shopuld play to them as well, which imo is impossible. They have Cambiasso as their DM, he's not a one dimensional DM like Rino/Ambro or even Flamini even if he can do more than the other 2. And whikle Boateng is turning out to be a great player for us, he can't be compared to Zanetti, first off they're completely different types of players, and Zanetti is just better in general.

As for Seedorf I don't believe he should be a starter, simple, not because he's not capable but because he's just unable to play 90 minutes anymore. the game against Napoli, I'm not even making this about Dinho, but we had a gap between midfield and attack, and we couldn't create anything though build up, why? Because Pirlo was playing so further back, what's the point of having a creative player like that and having him back there doing the dirty work, and this was my initial point, but I got sucked into the Dinho issue again. Had it been Dinho that played yesterday, we would have seen a different game altogether and I do believe we would have still won while playing better. We had no control of the midfield in the second half. How do you see that as a positive thing?


And another to this. I only respond when you want to talk like an actual adult


Your tag team routine really brings tears to my eyes. It's just beutiful...

Oh god clear bulshit with Dinho, he resolved last season match against Juve, so please dont wright this kind of things because for some weird reason you dont like Roni, he proved last year he is still a fantastic player he scored 15 goals and had 16 assist so dont wright crap, He is and will always be a fantastic player. Is he better then Binho? This we can argue about but dont wright Roni is a bad player, you look silly and no one takes you for serious because everyone knows this is a very stupid sentence!

My god, some posters here should be deeply ashamed. This is outrageous!

You were talking about lucky goals...

For the rest of your post... well... I am open for some tactical changes... but IMO it should be with Pato, Ibrahimovic, Robinho, Pirlo, Boateng and a DM as our forwards and midfielders. I would put them like this:


Because Robinho is someone who likes to go wide, Pirlo can go to AMC like what you like to see (except I got Pato then as either the CF, or LF, depending to which wing Robinho is going). Of course it shouldn't be Gattuso who is going forward, and Pirlo who is staying back. I mean then it's better to play Flamini over Gattuso, though if he shows he earns it because Gattuso is earning his spot. I also like Zlatan to drop back and go to AMC, I like to see Zlatan and Pirlo going to attacking midfield to create but Pirlo also will have to do his more defensive midfield stuff and Zlatan his forward stuff. Robinho will move enough to make this possible. I want to see lots of movement and non-slow downed attacks. We will have enough players who can create but also players who will move.

I think it's a good debate,can get a bit nasty.But,it's OK without the flaming parts ;p.

I don't see the point of this debate. We all know each others position. We all demonstrated that we won't back down.
Only thing left is to repeat over and over again till no one will be here to read it.

Zlatan needs to score goals, he's not an AM, yes he can create, but not in the way an AM can, he's more of a quick pass player when the opportunity comes along. As for Robinho, you can write it down which ever way you want, but ultimately we will see a trident on the pitch, thus pushing Pato to the right wing, which imo is ridiculous and a complete waste.

As for the movement part you talk about. The movement has to come mostly from the midfield 3 which is why I'd want a Flamini, Boateng duo covering Pirlo, a game is won in midfield so having that strong 3 in the middle will give us a big advantage, now if Dinho is playing in front of them it will be more compact, and we'll have creativity through the center, while if Robinho plays we'll have more width, imo both are great options to habve, just don't agree with X-off that the one with Robinho should be used in the big games. It all depends on the way we want to play, imo if you want to win the midfield battle and keep possession then the Dinho option would be the most ideal, while the one with Robs is quicker.

Well,yeah.If someone is not open to new ideas,thoughts and he's being a "fanboy" then ofcourse it is,and I agree with you.

This is pretty much the issue with Ronaldinho. Last season he did well against a crappy Juve. Should we gamble on Juve sucking again against us and play Ronaldinho? Or play with Robinho so we have a better chance beating Juve if they turn up to be stronger than last season (which they are - which was pretty inevitable considering their awful season). Ronaldinho is a good player, and we might win with him (but not necessary), but we should play with our best team because Juve can turn out to be strong(er) this time, so I want our best team(!) to play which is with Pato, Zlatan and Robinho IMO.

So this is my answer to those who want Ronaldinho because he did well vs Juve last season.