[Zed.D]

Tough game at San Paolo. really tough! I hope Max has learned his lessons from last night's game.. in other words


TIME TO GIVE ZEE, RINO AND DINHO SOME REST!!

START KPB, MATHIEU AND BINHO INSTEAD.




































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[Fillipo Simone]

Maybe I didn't express myself properly. Maybe not overrated, but Flamini and Boateng are barely tested and I see no reason why I should belive in them so much.

[X-Offender]

Maybe I didn't express myself properly. Maybe not overrated, but Flamini and Boateng are barely tested and I see no reason why I should belive in them so much.

Should we keep believing in Seedorf and Gattuso then? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[vnata001]

Should we keep believing in Seedorf and Gattuso then? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Fillipo, can you please offer a response to this question?

You say you don't trust them because they aren't tested. Well then doesn't that logically beg the question: Why not test them to see if we can trust them? You've seen the results when we've played our "tested" players.

And this term "Milan quality" really needs to be dissected a little bit. How can you be making claims that Flamini is not "Milan quality" when you admit that our coaches haven't given him a chance? Not too long ago, Flamini was "Arsenal quality" and that Arsenal side in which he played an important role in romped all over our "Milan quality" in the San Siro under the Carlo the great, no less.

The "milan quality" you want would involve breaking the bank for pastore and hamsik. We're not going to do that. And we need not look any further than the RESULTS of the coaches whose keen eye for talent you site in your rationale as to why Flamini isn't worth the fuss. Its the same bunch that overplayed Emerson and Brocchi, failed the talents of Gourcuff and Hunter, and have overseen our team during a 3 year period of relative mediocrity. Obviously for all their trusty talent-appraising abilities, they certainly have not always been right. They are not above criticism.

Some of us in the forum have been calling it as its happened over the years, and what's happening now with Seedorf and Rino is no different from previous instances of mismanagement.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Oct 21 2010, 06:24 AM

[Fillipo Simone]

Fillipo, can you please offer a response to this question?

You say you don't trust them because they aren't tested. Well then doesn't that logically beg the question: Why not test them to see if we can trust them? You've seen the results when we've played our "tested" players.

And this term "Milan quality" really needs to be dissected a little bit. How can you be making claims that Flamini is not "Milan quality" when you admit that our coaches haven't given him a chance? Not too long ago, Flamini was "Arsenal quality" and that Arsenal side in which he played an important role in romped all over our "Milan quality" in the San Siro under the Carlo the great, no less.

The "milan quality" you want would involve breaking the bank for pastore and hamsik. We're not going to do that. And we need not look any further than the RESULTS of the coaches whose keen eye for talent you site in your rationale as to why Flamini isn't worth the fuss. Its the same bunch that overplayed Emerson and Brocchi, failed the talents of Gourcuff and Hunter, and have overseen our team during a 3 year period of relative mediocrity. Obviously for all their trusty talent-appraising abilities, they certainly have not always been right. They are not above criticism.

Some of us in the forum have been calling it as its happened over the years, and what's happening now with Seedorf and Rino is no different from previous instances of mismanagement.

Gee, I don't understand this...did anyone read my post? I intentionally let out the phrase "Milan quality" because I knew the moment I use it someone will jump on me, but the same happens. Sorry to spoil your theory, but look again I haven't used it.

I said I don't think Flamini is good enough to be a regular Milan player. I don't care how well he was playing years ago, I don't think he would be a regular in Arsenla as well.

And why do you push me to answer a question I've already answered to? Should we keep believing in Seedorf and Gattuso then? No, no, no, no, no, no and no. Enough? Once more: we should now give a chance to Boateng and Flamini, but as I don't think they'll shine and convince us we have a permanent substitution for our former star players, we will be forced to bring in new blood.

[vnata001]

Gee, I don't understand this...did anyone read my post? I intentionally let out the phrase "Milan quality" because I knew the moment I use it someone will jump on me, but the same happens. Sorry to spoil your theory, but look again I haven't used it.

Okay, well excuse me for being overly presumptuous? When you claim that they should not be starters for Milan, just because this time you didn't use the words "milan quality" (words you have written with regards to Flamini in the past), it's still quite clear what you mean.

I said I don't think Flamini is good enough to be a regular Milan player. I don't care how well he was playing years ago, I don't think he would be a regular in Arsenla as well.

And why do you push me to answer a question I've already answered to? Should we keep believing in Seedorf and Gattuso then? No, no, no, no, no, no and no. Enough? Once more: we should now give a chance to Boateng and Flamini, but as I don't think they'll shine and convince us we have a permanent substitution for our former star players, we will be forced to bring in new blood.

Nobody is saying they're the new Albertini and Rijkaard. There is a tangible amount of excitement though at the improvement they will provide over Rino and Seedorf (in the time to follow). Yet you would rather criticize them for not being what Seedorf and Rino were 5 years ago without even seeing them given a run in the team? Before you've even given Boateng and Flamini a fair chance you're ready to write them off, like Gourcuff was by us not long ago, without a fair chance. For you to say that about them when they haven't been given a proper chance is completely and utterly unfounded.

No we cannot keep faith...but what are our options.

Change our playing style to suit our personnel! we don't need the new seedorf and Gattuso. We need a tactician to make the best of the personnel we have. We still have the talent in our roster to form a product on the pitch that is Scudetto and CL Semi worthy! It will mean changing our identity, being pragmatic, and utilizing the qualities we do have. In certain tactical schemes, we don't need Seedorf and Rino on the field at all, yet still find success. Hard for some romantics to internalize, but still true.

This post has been edited by vnata001: Oct 21 2010, 12:07 PM

[Jack Sparrow]

Change our playing style to suit our personnel! we don't need the new seedorf and Gattuso. We need a tactician to make the best of the personnel we have. We still have the talent in our roster to form a product on the pitch that is Scudetto and CL Semi worthy! It will mean changing our identity, being pragmatic, and utilizing the qualities we do have. In certain tactical schemes, we don't need Seedorf and Rino on the field at all, yet still find success. Hard for some romantics to internalize, but still true.

Not as easy as that I think. Your first sentence. I'm sure it's the easiest thing in the world to set our team out in a 4-5-1 and lump in long balls to Ibra and eventually we'd win. But then we'd crib about hhow much we suck. And the management will give him hell.

Allegri has one of the toughest directives possible for any manager. Win while playing beautiful. It's what got mourinho fired at Chelsea as you know.

Being pragmatic? They wouldn't have hired Allegri if they wanted a functional Milan side. Our big boss wants fantasy.


And to get fantasy you're needing to have every player in the XI playing in their best position. Like at Barca.

So our formation must for :

DEFENCE:

Abbiati: Not have too many high balls coming into the box.
Nesta: No forwards allowed to run at him at pace
Silva: Enough cover, so he can bomb forward and distribute
Luca Antonini: Freedom to go forward, while not being challenged to defend from a positional perspective
Zambrotta: His lack of pace mustn't be exploited, team must make room for him to get into shooting positions

MID:

Rino: Not expected to run forward too much. And must always have a short passing option available.
Pirlo: Can cut space, but musn't be pushed back too much to defend. Needs to have the whole team making intelligent runs.
Seedorf: Cannot be expected to play as pure box-to-box, must be allowed to play in an more advanced creative mid position...setting the tempo of the attack in the opponent's half.
Ronaldinho: Ball played to feet, plenty of passing options, strikers moving defenders out of position, and shouldn't be expected to track back and pressure.
Robinho: Pretty much the same as above.
KPB: Will leave gaps, and his positioning is suspect. Must be given freedom to join in attack.
Flamini: Must be given enough outlets to spend his energy, because he brings not a lot else. Our only true utility player.
Abate: Cannot defend, Cannot dribble, Can run, can cross a bit, can pressure a bit. 4-5-1 formation only??

FORWARDS:

Pato: Not a complete forward. Good pace, good dribble, good finishing. Bad decision making. Needs a direct path to goal.
Ibra: Complete forward. Can play with back to goal, with ball to feet. But needs to be fed all the time and given passing and shooting options. Can't really pressure hard. Not that kind of energy level.
Pippo: Keep serving it to him in and just around the box and have enough bodies in there to keep the defenders occupied so as let him sneak in. He's an assassin not a soldier.

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K. This will do for a start. Now sit around and try making a formation that will suit all these players to a T. A single stable formation that will also ensure player inclusions and that everyone gets adequate playing time. The new Berlusconi boys will also have to get enough time to play. They must also look good when doing so.

Think hard about it.

You know what I think?

No... we don't have the personnel to give the results that are expected of us. It's not changing the tactics to suit the personnel. We can't. The players will have to change to suit the tactics...and that is a big problem. Especially with the veteran squad. That thing about old dogs and new tricks.