[Jack Bauer]

All talk about the Winter transfer window.

So, what moves should Milan do to further improve the squad? Who to sell? Take into consideration that we might want to buy a player that will be eligible to play in the knockout stage of the Champios League.

[han2503]

Ambrosini plays better than Flamini, so it doesn't make sense to start someone else over him, because someone else should be a regular next season. Why not start Papastathopoulos over Nesta also? Sooner or later Sokratis and Silva will be our central defense. If you find that suggestion BS, then your post is BS too. Also, it's not sure Flamini will still be a Milan player next season, and surely it's not sure he should be a starter next season, probably, but you just want to give it to him?

Ambrosini played an awesome first match of the season, after being awesome last season, and then you come with this? I don't understand...

The gap between Flamini and Ambro is not big, especially when both are in form. As for Nesta and Sokratis, yes that would happen in the future. But there is a big difference between Sokratis and Flamini, Flamini is experianced, has played for a big team and imo is more then ready to be a regular.

Ambro played a great first game, but it was Lecce, he barely moved a muscle and was winning balls with his eyes closed, but let's wait until we meet a really fast attacking team before we start saying that Flamini is no competition for him.

Ambro is 33, and he'll be 34 next season. He cannot keep playing over 30 matches a season especially not as the main DM. Last season he was great, until January that is when he was burnt out completely because of having to play every game. Imo this season him and Flamini should be rotated regularly, we have the luxary of having 2 great DMs yet we only use one until he can barely run anymore. I think Allergi will rotate them a lot, considering he was the one who really wanted to keep Flamini.

It's not just "giving" it to him, that's why I said 'eased' into the starting position. This would be done by rotating them on a regular basis. And by next season Flamini would be the starter (provided he plays well this season), but still having Ambro to rotate with.

You think Ambro will be a reliable DM 2 seasons from now? When he's 35? He won't be able to keep up. And Flamini knows that he could be a starter at another team that has CL football, he won't want to stick around, so then we'll be stuck with an Ambro who is simply out of his depth and no backup, so we'll have to buy another DM, instead of spending that money on other areas.

Also you can't really compare Nesta to Ambro, Nesta is a very intelligent defender, that doesn't really need speed, because he reads the game so well, on the other hand, Ambro is a very physical player, and is the only holding guy in the midfield, so the workload is worse on him.

@ X-off, atm there is a gap between Ambro and Flamini, but it's not big. Flamini's only problems is his irrational tackling. The only thing Ambro really kicks his @ss at is the areal ability

[CHU-LIP]

The only thing Ambro really kicks his @ss at is the areal ability

Nonsense. Ambrosini is very good in a lot of things. Why can't you see that? He showed it more than obvious in the first half against Lecce, just to give a recent example. (It's only Lecce? Okay, he showed it also against Real. And the list goes on and on.)

And now you come with that burn out stuff again. That's why Ambrosini needs to play less often than last season when he played almost every minute. Some sort of rotation is needed, but for sure he needs to be our regular DM, since he is our best DM.

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Sep 4 2010, 12:20 PM

[han2503]

That is BS. Ambrosini is very good in a lot of things. Why can't you see that? He showed it more than obvious in the first half against Lecce, just to give a recent example.

It's only Lecce? Okay, he showed it also against Real. And the list goes on and on.

And now you come with that burn out stuff again. That's why Ambrosini needs to play less often than last season when he played almost every minute. Some sort of rotation is needed, but for sure he needs to be our regular DM, since he is our best DM.

Yes it's only against Lecce. Against Real last season it was still early in the season, which again points to my earlier comments regarding the need for regular rotation. But look at his Man U and Inter performances, all those occasions he got trampled on, thus we lose the midfield, which results in us losing the game. Point to me other big games last season that Ambro dominated the midfield, especially ones later in the season...

I didn't say Ambro couldn't do anything but head the ball (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I said that the only thing he really kicks Flamini's @ss at is that attribute. Both are decent ball passers, have a good tackle, Ambro might be stronger physically but Flamini is faster. Imo their pros and cons balance eachother out. And if Allegri is as smart as I think he is he will use both to his advantage, thus playing the appropriate DM in the appropriate game.

Lecce let Pirlo and Ambro have a field day in the midfield. And my point isn't really saying that Ambro is not good enough to play the big games. My point is to rotate him and Flamini effectively, thus not burning either of them out. Last season Ambro's biggest problem was that he was dead tired by the time we reached January, and it will happen again this season if he's constantly played, especially when we're playing 2 games a week. Thus Flamini getting ready to be a regular in the future. I don't know why you're being so defensive about it. It's only natural that this will happen, Ambro cannot keep playing constantly, especially not at his age and in the position he plays, and whether the player who replaces him is Flamini or someone else, it has to happen eventually.

[CHU-LIP]

I said that the only thing he really kicks Flamini's @ss at is that attribute.

Nonsense too. He tackles better, better vision, better concentration, mentally he is miles ahead, etc etc...

The whole team was awful against Inter. Unbelievable you mention this. (And you think of the 2nd match he played as defender against ManU also, right?) In the big games Ambrosini is usually awesome, and I don't see Flamini doing the same.

We agree about some sort of rotation, but you fail to rate/compare him/them correctly IMO, and find BS reasons to make him look less good.