> Calcio Debate: Can England Really Criticize Italy?

 
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post Aug 30 2008, 11:30 PM
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Serie A has been described as a retirement home for the world's best footballers by the English media. Goal.com's Salvatore Landolina, though, insists that the English game should take a look at itself before taking aim at other footballing cultures...

A number of English journalists have taken swipes at Serie A this week. One piece in particular has caused controversy. An article in The Times by a respected writer criticised the Italian game, describing it as, “a retirement home for ageing footballers or a get-rich-quick scheme for those who lacked ambition,” and “a long way short of the Premier League.”

The writer went on to mention the arrivals of Gianfranco Zola, Fabrizio Ravanelli and Gianluca Vialli to the Premier League as well as the fast change in trends and power. Fast change? That was twelve years ago. All the usual negativities were drawn up - violence, Calciopoli, scandals - as he attempted to shoot down Calcio in order to provoke a reaction.

And the writer has the cheek to say Italians are trouble makers! So why start such trouble?

Renzo Ulivieri, a former coach, summed up Oliver Kay’s rant best.

“It’s the pot calling the kettle black,” said the coach. “England has a nice League, but if you look carefully they have foreign coaches, foreign players and even foreign club owners from all over the world.

“I really doubt they are in any position to criticise Italian football. Besides, I certainly wouldn’t say that Ronaldinho or Andriy Shevchenko are old.”

This spat comes just days after another top English journalist Patrick Barclay slammed England manager Fabio Capello for not understanding English culture, insisting that Steve McClaren was a better choice as the country's national coach.

If Steve McClaren and every other former England coach understood the English culture so much, why have the Three Lions have not won anything since 1966? They didn’t even qualify for Euro 2008, yet their understanding is clearly better than Capello’s. The perspective of English culture is so great amongst English coaches that they run away when they hear about an England manager’s vacancy. It's the job that nobody wants. And as the nation did with bus drivers in the 1950’s, England has looked abroad for someone to come in and do the job.

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Serie A is making a comeback. Ronaldinho and Jose Mourinho, two superstar names, moved to Italy because they want a real challenge, where trophies are won by hard graft on the pitch rather than bought by millionaire foreign owners who have turned the English game into a casino, with 'Russian roulette' the game of choice.

Serie A has problems, but Italy doesn’t brush everything under the carpet and start picking on other countries in an attempt to deflect attention from the mire surrounding several top Premier League teams, as well as the perpetual mess the England national side finds itself in.

The number of imported talents in the Premier League has reached record highs, with the emphasis on bringing in non-English players and managers, rather than on developing youth for the national side. While there's nothing wrong with that, when things go wrong the same foreigners take all the blame. They're used as scapegoats because certain people at the top of the English game don’t have the guts or the humility to say, ‘it’s our fault for trusting the other man in the first place.’ Instead, they unbutton the white shirt and dance around to the yellow-belly tune.

The Germans were blamed for Euro 96, Maradona was blamed for 1986 and the trend continues as England continues to take aim at foreigners with Capello the latest victim of the English media’s 'point the finger at everyone but ourselves' masterplan.

It’s perhaps ironic that Kay mentioned hooligans and violence affecting the game in Italy, but he fails to remember that the whole hooliganism movement began in Blighty during the 1970s and spread around Europe like the plague. He also never mentioned that a Premier League footballer tried to be a role model to younger players and fans by having a fight outside a McDonalds restaurant one Saturday night.

Films such as the “Football Factory” and “Green Street” examine footballing violence, but they weren’t made in Italy.

The problem in England is that journalists don’t really understand football outside of Britain. The culture is too insular and such ignorance is only likely to help people like Kay dig a deeper hole for themselves.

Salvatore Landolina
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post Aug 31 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Spurs? You missed out with Villa last season then!. We were the 3rd highest scorers in the league!

But I agree to an extent. It's different for me since I come from a country with a top footballing league, so I know a certain amount about smaller sides in the league, since we get used to them. SO for me, watching Bolton vs Wigan or something isn't so bad. But I do find it harder watching smaller games in other leagues. Like I'd struggle to watch Lecce vs Reginna or something. But a general football fan will usually only find big interest in watching a game involving one of the big teams in each league.

I do watch Villa at times but not a lot maybe a couple of games here and there, mostly when they face the top teams

Personally I don't like watching any of the smaller teams in any of the 3 leagues play against eachother. La Liga it's just Barca and Real, sometimes Sevilla and Valencia, but it's rare.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Yep. I'm sure the cycle will keep going around. But Italy needs to invest more money in it's football, or do something to attract the fans. Was disappointing to see Udinese-Palermo with empty seats all over the place, hopefuilly the clubs start to spend more and attract better players, giving the fans more reason to want to go. But with the World as it is at the moment, I suppose fans just can't afford it.

It's not just about the fans though. It's how the TV rights deals are split, the big clubs get huge deals while the smaller clubs are left with the scraps. This results in no money for the smaller clubs which in turn results in no improvement of the stadiums, and bringing in more quality players.

Still, I'm a firm believer in the whole cycle system that football is constantly in. Italy or Spain could just find themselves back as the top league in a couple of years.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2008, 11:20 PM) *
Yes, it can be bad. I remember Lazio, Fiorentina and Parma (I believe those were the 3) spent stupid amounts of money or had massive trouble with debts, I'm sure it'll happen to more English teams. Leeds were the first and won't be the last. Though I think the interest in Liverpool and United around the World.. they just make so much money it's amazing. I think Chelsea are in the most trouble.

Maybe not Man U because they have a lot of marketing power, but Liverpool, they could see it happening especially now with building the new stadium.

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post Sep 4 2008, 03:45 PM
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italy can criticize england, but not the other way.

why ?

because italy won more world cups, that means italy has a better national team. in champions league and uefa cup combined, if i am correct, italy has more trophies than england. therefore, italy is superior than england.

to answer your question, can england really criticize italy ?

its a big NO!!!
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- misha   Calcio Debate: Can England Really Criticize Italy?   Aug 30 2008, 11:30 PM
- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE Films such as the “Football Factory” and...   Aug 30 2008, 11:36 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2008, 11:36 PM...   Aug 30 2008, 11:57 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 30 2008, 11:57 PM) I...   Aug 31 2008, 12:20 AM
- - zdrossoneri   La Liga is the #1 right now.   Aug 31 2008, 06:37 AM
|- - acid911   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 31 2008, 10:37 A...   Aug 31 2008, 06:49 AM
- - zdrossoneri   It's not only about names (which La Liga is se...   Aug 31 2008, 09:55 AM
- - kurtsimonw   I don't think La Liga has much tactic involved...   Aug 31 2008, 03:33 PM
- - zdrossoneri   Tactic is not much involved in La Liga? I honest...   Aug 31 2008, 06:07 PM
- - kurtsimonw   I find it very: They attack -> we attack -> ...   Aug 31 2008, 07:25 PM
- - Giancarlo   For me, I don't think England has any credibil...   Sep 4 2008, 04:52 PM
- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (nnloso @ Sep 4 2008, 03:45 PM) ita...   Sep 4 2008, 06:11 PM
|- - Giancarlo   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 4 2008, 06:11 PM)...   Sep 4 2008, 07:30 PM
- - Tennie   England couldn't GO to the Olympics, Giancarlo...   Sep 4 2008, 07:57 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Tennie @ Sep 4 2008, 07:57 PM) Eng...   Sep 4 2008, 09:14 PM
- - Suprpippo   youre right. also atleast we have home grown talen...   May 12 2009, 01:18 AM
- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Suprpippo @ May 12 2009, 01:18 AM)...   May 12 2009, 11:15 PM


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