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post Nov 3 2007, 11:45 PM
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Many people think the CL's where we belong... but I'm going for a surprise win for Shakhtar. unless we have Ronaldo up front, which is not likely to happen.
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:16 PM
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Maldini can play LB, sure. I'd rather see him in the center and Kaladze on the left though if we must play that back line (I'd bench Kaladze and play Sergio).

I think we've got on this board a real difference in philosophy and outlook. There are the oldtimers (like me and R7) who have followed Milan for as long as (if not longer than) a good percentage of other posters have been alive. We see things differently than the very enthusiastic young fans do. I think R7 and I would agree that Milan is more than just football. There's a certain class about Milan - even when the team is doing poorly like now - that just is not present at any other team. Milan is also not a team that's going to go for the instant gratification 'we want a title now and we're going to spend a zillion euros to do it' sort of team like Chelsea is. If that's the team you want to follow, then I suggest Milan may not be right for you. Milan takes the long view (ie, PATO). And Milan so far hasn't been proved long in the long view.

That's why it bothers us oldtimers (and makes me want to reach for my fish woobie to hit people with) when there's a constant barrage of team-bashing and general wailing and gnashing of teeth. There's a difference between constructive criticism and 'zomg, they all suck'. The former, I'm all in favor of. The latter - which is all too common right now - I don't bother reading.
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post Nov 5 2007, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 5 2007, 08:16 PM)
Maldini can play LB, sure. I'd rather see him in the center and Kaladze on the left though if we must play that back line (I'd bench Kaladze and play Sergio).

I think we've got on this board a real difference in philosophy and outlook. There are the oldtimers (like me and R7) who have followed Milan for as long as (if not longer than) a good percentage of other posters have been alive. We see things differently than the very enthusiastic young fans do. I think R7 and I would agree that Milan is more than just football. There's a certain class about Milan - even when the team is doing poorly like now - that just is not present at any other team. Milan is also not a team that's going to go for the instant gratification 'we want a title now and we're going to spend a zillion euros to do it' sort of team like Chelsea is. If that's the team you want to follow, then I suggest Milan may not be right for you. Milan takes the long view (ie, PATO). And Milan so far hasn't been proved long in the long view.

That's why it bothers us oldtimers (and makes me want to reach for my fish woobie to hit people with) when there's a constant barrage of team-bashing and general wailing and gnashing of teeth. There's a difference between constructive criticism and 'zomg, they all suck'. The former, I'm all in favor of. The latter - which is all too common right now - I don't bother reading.
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- zdrossoneri   06/11/2007 - UCL - Shakhtar vs Milan   Nov 3 2007, 11:45 PM
- - Rossoneri7   1-3 away win for Milan Shakhtar is not an easy ...   Nov 3 2007, 11:49 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 4 2007, 02:19 AM)1-3 ...   Nov 4 2007, 12:07 AM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 4 2007, 02:07 AM)Rem...   Nov 4 2007, 12:16 AM
||- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 4 2007, 02:46 AM)aha...   Nov 4 2007, 12:36 AM
|- - redbabies   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 4 2007, 12:07 AM)Rem...   Nov 4 2007, 12:06 PM
- - Portikins   A home win or a tie.   Nov 3 2007, 11:50 PM
- - arivanjj   please Ronaldo...   Nov 4 2007, 12:49 AM
- - Darunia   Tie =/   Nov 4 2007, 04:11 AM
- - kurtsimonw   I can't see us winning. Eastern European teams...   Nov 4 2007, 04:40 AM
- - dst   We will this one or concede late in the game and d...   Nov 4 2007, 11:19 AM
- - redbabies   0-2   Nov 4 2007, 12:04 PM
- - jefri91   We just tied a game at home. Milan is hungry as he...   Nov 4 2007, 02:29 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE We just tied a game at home. Milan is hungry...   Nov 4 2007, 03:20 PM
- - rhy_A4   SHAKHTAR-MILAN: THE ROSSONERI'S CALLED-UP PLAY...   Nov 4 2007, 03:22 PM
- - redbabies   Called up players for this match: Dida, Kalac, Fi...   Nov 4 2007, 03:24 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (redbabies @ Nov 4 2007, 05:54 PM)Calle...   Nov 4 2007, 04:27 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 4 2007, 06:27 PM)for...   Nov 4 2007, 06:09 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 4 2007, 08:39 PM)...   Nov 4 2007, 06:44 PM
|- - Nova   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 4 2007, 06:09 PM)...   Nov 5 2007, 01:11 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2007, 03:11 PM)  re...   Nov 5 2007, 01:25 PM
|- - bigmacmtl   QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2007, 07:11 AM)  ...   Nov 5 2007, 11:34 PM
|- - Nova   QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Nov 5 2007, 11:34 PM)ya ur...   Nov 6 2007, 12:01 AM
|- - bigmacmtl   QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2007, 06:01 PM)Get your f...   Nov 6 2007, 12:08 AM
|- - Nova   QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Nov 6 2007, 12:08 AM)well ...   Nov 6 2007, 12:20 AM
|- - bigmacmtl   QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2007, 06:20 PM)That my bu...   Nov 6 2007, 12:30 AM
|- - zdrossoneri   If he really means it, expect a tough game for us....   Nov 6 2007, 09:18 AM
- - Tennie   Well. We've got Oddo back, Il Capitano will p...   Nov 4 2007, 03:25 PM
- - Minami   I going for a 3:1 for us Ronaldo is back and that...   Nov 4 2007, 03:40 PM
- - Minami   I'm going for a 3:1 for us Ronaldo is back an...   Nov 4 2007, 03:43 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Yes I heard you the first time... * Sorry*   Nov 4 2007, 03:54 PM
|- - Minami   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 4 2007, 02:54 PM)Ye...   Nov 5 2007, 06:07 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE Wow. O Fenomeno's back! what a fvcki...   Nov 4 2007, 04:45 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 4 2007, 07:15 PM)Se...   Nov 4 2007, 04:56 PM
- - jefri91   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 4 2007, 02:20 PM) T...   Nov 4 2007, 06:09 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Yeah...duhhh...he's playing left-centre back.   Nov 4 2007, 06:41 PM
- - Darunia   Dida Oddo-Nesta-Maldini-Serginho Gattuso-Pirlo-See...   Nov 4 2007, 06:52 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE ?!! Nope...I think this one is ross...   Nov 4 2007, 06:54 PM
- - whoarethepatriots   We are playing away, in the champions league, in t...   Nov 4 2007, 07:21 PM
|- - weeeow   QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Nov 4 2007, 07:21 ...   Nov 4 2007, 07:56 PM
- - arivanjj   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...   Nov 4 2007, 08:54 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   I hope Carlo does a Gourcuff with him. Bring him...   Nov 5 2007, 04:45 AM
- - arivanjj   yeah well i don't think i'll be sticking a...   Nov 5 2007, 06:13 AM
- - han2503   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 4 2007, 03:40 AM)I ca...   Nov 5 2007, 04:26 PM
|- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:56 PM)I think...   Nov 5 2007, 05:57 PM
||- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 5 2007, 04:57 PM)1) ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:08 PM
||- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 5 2007, 07:57 PM)1) ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:19 PM
||- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2007, 05:19 PM)Don...   Nov 5 2007, 06:26 PM
||- - zdrossoneri   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:49 PM)Stop...   Nov 5 2007, 06:55 PM
||- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM)The...   Nov 5 2007, 07:23 PM
|- - MizNelson   QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2007, 07:26 AM)Celtic ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:15 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE @Jack ... What Juve girl Well there was th...   Nov 5 2007, 04:26 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   @kurt- I understand what you're saying, maybe ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:15 PM
|- - Nova   QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 5 2007, 06:16 PM)There ar...   Nov 5 2007, 09:43 PM
|- - misha   We need the CL form Milan (dr jekyll) to beat them...   Nov 6 2007, 07:25 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 5 2007, 10:46 PM)Maldini ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:19 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Inspite of the fish??? Or because of it??? Oh wa...   Nov 5 2007, 06:23 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2007, 10:56 PM)It...   Nov 5 2007, 06:30 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 5 2007, 05:30 PM)Ho...   Nov 5 2007, 06:34 PM
|- - MizNelson   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 5 2007, 09:30 AM)Yo...   Nov 6 2007, 05:59 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2007, 11:04 PM)...   Nov 5 2007, 06:42 PM
|- - kurtsimonw   QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 5 2007, 05:42 PM)Th...   Nov 5 2007, 07:02 PM
- - Tennie   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2007, 01:21 PM)Will...   Nov 5 2007, 06:59 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE The fish doll would disapprove. You make fun...   Nov 5 2007, 07:04 PM
- - Tennie   Jack, if it were the good stuff (or even the medio...   Nov 5 2007, 07:25 PM
- - jefri91   QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 5 2007, 06:25 PM)Milan wi...   Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM
- - Tennie   Hi! This is the Shakhtar-Milan match thread...   Nov 6 2007, 12:11 AM
- - KillerMax   Seems like Ronaldo has a lot of desire to play. He...   Nov 6 2007, 12:36 AM
- - Darunia   My guess is Gila will start and Ronaldo will be br...   Nov 6 2007, 01:52 AM
- - arivanjj   training photos   Nov 6 2007, 04:26 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   Goddaaaang...look at Pippo in the pic.Now that...   Nov 6 2007, 04:35 AM
- - Bluesummers   haha, seedorf looks like a hustler.   Nov 6 2007, 06:27 AM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (BMWTaylor @ Nov 6 2007, 10:29 AM)Horse...   Nov 6 2007, 09:14 AM
- - Tennie   QUOTE (BMWTaylor @ Nov 6 2007, 12:59 AM)Horse...   Nov 6 2007, 01:53 PM
- - zdrossoneri   ANCELOTTI: "We have recovered" 11/6/2007...   Nov 6 2007, 02:04 PM
- - MizNelson   Oh, Jack, you big softie. Don't you know I spe...   Nov 6 2007, 07:06 PM
- - rhy_A4   they are gunna defend very deep , just like Empoli...   Nov 6 2007, 07:08 PM
|- - Rossoneri7   QUOTE (rhy_A4 @ Nov 6 2007, 09:08 PM)they are...   Nov 6 2007, 07:16 PM
|- - rhy_A4   QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 6 2007, 06:16 PM)They...   Nov 6 2007, 08:13 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   QUOTE (BMWTaylor @ Nov 6 2007, 11:36 PM)Oh, J...   Nov 6 2007, 07:27 PM
- - Tennie   Official lineups should be out in...about 15 minut...   Nov 6 2007, 07:32 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   I'd actually like to see Yoann start this one....   Nov 6 2007, 07:34 PM
- - Tennie   I don't like it, but...this is what uefa.com i...   Nov 6 2007, 07:44 PM
|- - misha   QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 6 2007, 08:44 PM)Dida Bon...   Nov 6 2007, 07:54 PM
- - Jack Sparrow   Makes sense, no point pushing a just fit Ronnie in...   Nov 6 2007, 07:52 PM
- - armisse   SHAKHTAR-MILAN: FORMAZIONI UFFICIALI 06/11/2007 SH...   Nov 6 2007, 07:59 PM
- - misha   They are showing 3 live CL games but no Milan Wi...   Nov 6 2007, 08:26 PM
- - fresh_prince7   Will the live audio actually work on the milan sit...   Nov 6 2007, 08:31 PM
- - milanista88   any live streams?   Nov 6 2007, 08:36 PM
- - gal_kenny   GUys is the sopcast stream workin? if it is can an...   Nov 6 2007, 08:37 PM
- - milanista88   RE: 06/11/2007 - UCL - Shakhtar vs Milan   Nov 6 2007, 08:38 PM
- - arivanjj   this one is nice and clear sop://broker1.sopcast....   Nov 6 2007, 08:41 PM
- - Tennie   For those asking about streams, there's a ...   Nov 6 2007, 08:42 PM
- - han2503   QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Nov 6 2007, 07:37 PM)GUys ...   Nov 6 2007, 08:45 PM
- - arivanjj   1 min silence   Nov 6 2007, 08:46 PM
- - Fillipo Simone   Match started, my TV-network shows it live so I...   Nov 6 2007, 08:46 PM
- - arivanjj   game underway...   Nov 6 2007, 08:46 PM
- - gal_kenny   Thanks it is working..   Nov 6 2007, 08:46 PM
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