[han2503]

I'm a bit on the down side due to the latest event with Cassano and all the other problems with injuries and all

All I want is the 3 points, ugly or pretty, at this point I don't care

[Jack Bauer]

Pato is still not ready (will return vs Fiorentina), Boateng and Nocerino suspended, Nesta and Mexes won't be available as well. Add to that, Casasno, Flamini and Rino are out for a long term.

Seems like we'll play with the MvB, Ambro, Seedorf, Aqui midfield. Hope for Yepes and not Bonera.

[han2503]

Pato is still not ready (will return vs Fiorentina), Boateng and Nocerino suspended, Nesta and Mexes won't be available as well. Add to that, Casasno, Flamini and Rino are out for a long term.

Seems like we'll play with the MvB, Ambro, Seedorf, Aqui midfield. Hope for Yepes and not Bonera.

I really hope that El Shaa will be given a fair chance in this one. I'd pick him to play behind Ibra or Robs over having Ambro in midfield that's for sure.

For me it would be

Abate--Thiago--Yepes--Taiwo
Aqui--VB--Seedorf
El Shaa
Robs--Ibra

[Jack Bauer]

Do you really think that Allegri will play with only one DM and El Sha - who didn't play an AM role for Milan at all so far and I don't know if he really can play there - behind the strikers? No chance.

[X-Offender]

Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[Jack Bauer]

Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

Yeah, both Sky and Gazzetta with this line-up.

[han2503]

Do you really think that Allegri will play with only one DM and El Sha - who didn't play an AM role for Milan at all so far and I don't know if he really can play there - behind the strikers? No chance.

Yeah I know that Allegri won't play that formation. It's what I want see. As for El Shaarawy, he's played there for Padova last season and that is his position, if Boateng can pull it off, so can he imo. He just has to be given the opportunity to do so.

Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

I'd like El Sha to start, but it ain't gonna happen. I just hope Allegri will take Inzaghi for this one...

[Jack Sparrow]

I'm a sucker for the whole old-young thing..so my pick is


---Aquilani----Ambro/MvB----Seedorf
---------------Pharaohinho-----------
----------Ibra-------------Pippo--------

Robinho to come off the bench.

[CHU-LIP]

I'm a sucker for the whole old-young thing..so my pick is


---Aquilani----Ambro/MvB----Seedorf
---------------Pharaohinho-----------
----------Ibra-------------Pippo--------

Robinho to come off the bench.

benching Robinho like that, but play Pippo instead, makes all the bad line-ups I've seen look good. Especially with Boateng (and Nocerino) out, Robinho is a necessarity. Anywho, this is what I would start:

Ibrahimovic, El Shaarawy
Robinho
Seedorf, Van Bommel, Aquilani
Taiwo, Yepes, Thiago Silva, Abate
Abbiati

you could switch Robinho with El Shaarawy, but I've never seen El Shaarawy as AM (and playing AM in Serie B or for Milan is not the same thing) so I don't know what to expect from that, Robinho has proven to play well there

This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Nov 5 2011, 06:33 PM

[Jack Bauer]

Allegri:

“The doubts are Ambrosini or Van Bommel and Bonera or Yepes. I think Zambrotta will start at left back. Emanuelson, Robinho and Ibra could be an option Inzaghi will get called up. He’s been much better this week.”

“We’ll be up against Barcelona. We’ll see. If we’re better then we’ll win. If they’re better, then they’ll win. Otherwise it’ll end in a draw.” (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

http://www.drrossoneri.com/2011/11/05/pre-...-milan-catania/

So we might see the Aqui-MVB-Urby-Seedorf midfield.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Nov 5 2011, 06:40 PM

[CHU-LIP]

We'll be up against Barcelona? I don't get it? I thought it's about Catania, and then I read Barcelona.

[Jack Bauer]

We'll be up against Barcelona? I don't get it? I thought it's about Catania, and then I read Barcelona.

He talked about both. Most of it about Catania but the last sentence is about Barca (This from press conference, somebody asked him about them).

[han2503]

he better not start Ambro over VB. That would be utter stupidity. Ambro was even looking horrible against BATE. How much more indication does Allegri need that Ambro cannot cut it any longer

[Dracoris]

Robinho over Pippo. Pippo in the 60/70' to clean up any slack. I'd probably start the Pharoah too, this is a good game for him to get intergrated.

[Fillipo Simone]

benching Robinho like that, but play Pippo instead, makes all the bad line-ups I've seen look good.

What does that mean?

you could switch Robinho with El Shaarawy, but I've never seen El Shaarawy as AM (and playing AM in Serie B or for Milan is not the same thing) so I don't know what to expect from that, Robinho has proven to play well there

Robinho may have prooven himself last season, but this year he hasn't done anything spectacular. Sure, his injury helped in that direction, but anyway...I'm not that kind of a fan playing Robinho on the AM. He is, IMO, much better suited as a SS.

he better not start Ambro over VB. That would be utter stupidity. Ambro was even looking horrible against BATE. How much more indication does Allegri need that Ambro cannot cut it any longer

Hey, let's give it a try. I don't think he'll do so badly. I know you don't rate him anymore and he's proven to you unworthy of any faith this season, but still...have a little hope.

[CHU-LIP]

He is, IMO, much better suited as a SS.

IMO too, but the question is what's best for the team for that specific match...

[han2503]

Hey, let's give it a try. I don't think he'll do so badly. I know you don't rate him anymore and he's proven to you unworthy of any faith this season, but still...have a little hope.

I think he's been given enough "tries" this season, and messed them all up without fail. He's just not good enough anymore. It's not a matter of me rating him or not. It's what I've been seeing whenever Ambro has stepped onto the pitch this season, and it's been cringe worthy every single time.

I don't really care for example if Pippo starts or not, he deserves a chance imo, so we can see what he can still do, another point infavour of Pippo is that his position is not crucial to the entire team's stability like Ambro's. Ambro has been given the chances Pippo simply hasn't and messed up every single one of them.

These guys have to know when to throw in the towel, and with our coach encouraging them to stay on by giving them chance after chance is just not helping the team. And what irks me more about that is that Pippo, Taiwo, etc have been shunned for some reason or another, while Ambro, Bonera and Rino have been invited back every time even after huge screw ups. It's just ridiculous

Ambro has no business being on that pitch unless it's a Coppa tie. Enough is enough!

[han2503]

btw. this is the line-up on sport mediaset

Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Abate, Thiago Silva, Bonera; Zambrotta; Aquilani, Van Bommel, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Robinho, Ibrahimovic

To see Ambro in there, next to VB, as a left sided CM just makes me physically cringe. Let's not forget the fiasco of the Lecce game, he's terrible, so let's try to enhance his short-comings even further Allegri! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'd push Seedorf back, push El Shaa in there. See what he can do. Give the kid some faith now that we're in this situation. This is the reason why I feel that the management spending money on young players is a huge wast eof money and time. Because they're simply not going to get a proper chance. We're in a crises situation and our coach prefers to push in the mumbling, stumbling Ambroisini instead of him. Enough said.

[X-Offender]

I'd push Seedorf back, push El Shaa in there. See what he can do. Give the kid some faith now that we're in this situation. This is the reason why I feel that the management spending money on young players is a huge wast eof money and time. Because they're simply not going to get a proper chance. We're in a crises situation and our coach prefers to push in the mumbling, stumbling Ambroisini instead of him. Enough said.

So true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[TriniKing_CE]

So true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

+2

[drucurl]

Well as much as I'd like to lead the charge against Allegri (seeing as I was the first to conclude that he wasn't a big team coach (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) ) The problems we complain about are symptomatic of most typical Italian coaches...even the good ones like Lippi, Ancelotti etc. I think this is one thing that sets Capello kinda away from the aforementioned since despite his iron clad disciplinarian stance towards everybody, he played Cassano and Robinho without much coaxing. He also repeatedly dropped ADP for iBra.

Mancini also seems to value bringing in the youth to the system. That said, however not letting an unproven player prove his worth is one thing. Stubbornly playing inept players because you prefer them is quite another and Allegri is also guilty of this....though as the Taiwo debacle seems to be clearing up....not as much as it would seem I guess

[Jack Sparrow]

I think Allegri rewards training or something. I can't explain else, how Bonera gets a look-in. Not to mention, in his interviews he always says something like 'X has looked much better this week and might start..." etc.

[kurtsimonw]

He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.

[Rossoneri7]

He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.

I always stressed that assumption.

[Fillipo Simone]

Well, I did to. Sorrily, it wasn't applied with the same vehemence when Ancelotti was coach, and not Allegri.

[han2503]

He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.

I don't agree with that seeing as the ones he chose above them were Ambro and Antonini. Again, that should be enough said on my part because the players he seems to favour over others at this point have been nothing short of terrible when they've played. I don't care if Ambro is sweating blood during trianing at this point, if he can't cut it then he shouldn't be starting. It's pretty simple. He's making mistakes on the pitch, where it really counts, so what he does in training is all good and well but if he's going to hold us back on match day then I don't care how much work he puts in. Also this theory you guys have imo is totally unfair, it's like saying that Antonini and Ambro are killing themselves on daily basis while Taiwo and El Shaa are sitting on the sidelines having a smoke while the rest train. Just ridiculous.

Taiwo cannot be judged yet, he's made a couple of mistakes yes, but people forget that he's a new squad player, new to the league and team, doesn't speak the language, etc, etc. What's the excuse for someone like Antonini or Ambro or Bonera? And imo, some of their mistakes have been far worse then what Taiwo has done thise season. It's just ridiculous that these players are still starting important Serie A/CL games for us

[han2503]

Anyone got the line-up?

I can see Ambro started in front of the defence (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[han2503]

lol is that Urby behind the strikers? Just ridiculous

[han2503]

Penalty!

Robs hacked down!

What a pass from Ibra there!

[han2503]

IBRAA

[Boban10]

Good start, IBRA!!!!!!

[milanbuf88]

Nice penalty Ibra. Urby had a pretty nice pass in the lead up to the penalty. He isn't completely useless haha

[han2503]

ambro (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) How typical

[Boban10]

FFS Ambro????? Is he wanting sent off!

[milanbuf88]

Yellow for Ambro. What a joke. Guy needs to retire.

[han2503]

Nice penalty Ibra. Urby had a pretty nice pass in the lead up to the penalty. He isn't completely useless haha

I think he could be a lot more useful when played in a more familiar position... He does better when deeper, but is just useless in tight areas. And playing behind the strikers means thinking quickly because you're closed down quickly, and just cannot do that

Also. If Allegri gives Ambro the nod for Barca I'll bang my head to a wall

[han2503]

Ambro loses that ball on the edge of the area!

It's sad that he's proving me so right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[han2503]

OMG, look at the defending off that set-piece.

[han2503]

They're just walking through our midfield, we've lost control of the game. Look how they got past Ambro...

[milanbuf88]

WOW. Robinho!!!!!!!

[han2503]

Robinho!!!!

Again, Ibra doing everything to make that happen!! What a play!!

[han2503]

OMG! Ibra is just out of this world today!! Played Seedorf through again! Seedorf with a bad miss though

[Boban10]

NICE ROBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[han2503]

I have to say, for all our faults, Ibra and Robs have really stepped up today given all the problems in attack. Ibra is doing the work of 3 men out there. While Robs is very cool and collected

[CrazyMilanFan]

ambro almost scored from the corner..

[han2503]

ambro almost scored from the corner..

Only decent thing he's done so far.

Look at the way he followed that up, The Catania player ran straight through the center of our midfield

[milanbuf88]

Good cross by Urby

[X-Offender]

Bonera with lots of useless fouls today.

[han2503]

lol, what a joke ref!! Bonera didn't even touch the guy!

[han2503]

Bonera with lots of useless fouls today.

It was a clear dive there. Bonera didn't even so much as touch him

[Fillipo Simone]

Only decent thing he's done so far.

Come on, give him a slack! Everyone knows you don't like him and we all agree he is in a bad streak, but can you manage not to bash him in almost every post? I mean, I really get your point, what's the point in this repetition?

[Boban10]

Anyone know what the parade is that is going round the pitch just now? Or it might have been earlier (highlights showing)

This post has been edited by Boban10: Nov 6 2011, 03:55 PM

[han2503]

Come on, give him a slack! Everyone knows you don't like him and we all agree he is in a bad streak, but can you manage not to bash him in almost every post? I mean, I really get your point, what's the point in this repetition?

Pointing out what I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Had he scored that, his invsibile show would have been swept under the rug like always.

He went in with a terrible challenge in the first couple of minutes, then completely went AWOL after that, as well as lost the ball in crucial areas of the pitch.

And then you guys are trying to justify his position by saying he's probably working the hardest in training! It's just ridiculous. I never liked his style and was never really a fan, I have no trouble admitting that. But this is beyond that, seeing him stumbling around on the pitch and not doing what he's supposed to be doing gives me a headache by just watching it.

If Allegri chooses to start him instead of Bommel against Barca we'll be in for a beating so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

[han2503]

Yepes for Bonera. Probably on because of the yellow

[X-Offender]

If Allegri chooses to start him instead of Bommel against Barca we'll be in for a beating so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

He won't. Allegri is simply giving to MvB some rest after all the games he's played this season.

Second half starts. Yepes for Bonera.

[drucurl]

No Bone(head)era (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

Pointing out what I see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Had he scored that, his invsibile show would have been swept under the rug like always.

He went in with a terrible challenge in the first couple of minutes, then completely went AWOL after that, as well as lost the ball in crucial areas of the pitch.

And then you guys are trying to justify his position by saying he's probably working the hardest in training! It's just ridiculous. I never liked his style and was never really a fan, I have no trouble admitting that. But this is beyond that, seeing him stumbling around on the pitch and not doing what he's supposed to be doing gives me a headache by just watching it.

If Allegri chooses to start him instead of Bommel against Barca we'll be in for a beating so bad it wouldn't even be funny.

Did I say something about training and Ambro? No, it was a general remark.

I'm just say...it would be nice to let some breathing space for people who still like or respect Ambro. Everyone knows what you think of him, but the constant repetition just isn't necessary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

Those short corners are annoying, Clarence.

[han2503]

Did I say something about training and Ambro? No, it was a general remark.

I'm just say...it would be nice to let some breathing space for people who still like or respect Ambro. Everyone knows what you think of him, but the constant repetition just isn't necessary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I didn't say you made them, but they were made, and it wasn't just a general remark

And if I have to see Ambro stumbling around every week, then I have the right to complain about it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[CrazyMilanFan]

i wonder what is the science behind our corners strategy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[han2503]

i wonder what is the science behind our corners strategy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Trying to be Barca. But it's obvious we could never pull it off

[han2503]

SEEDORF

[CrazyMilanFan]

3-0

[han2503]

Oh I think it was given to Robs

[milanbuf88]

Another excellent pass by Ibra.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Oh I think it was given to Robs

own goal imo.. anyway brilliant play by ibra

[han2503]

own goal imo.. anyway brilliant play by ibra

Yep, his support play has been amazing

Now all I'm hoping for is a clean sheet

[CrazyMilanFan]

4-0 zambrotta

[han2503]

ZAMBROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So happy for him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[CHU-LIP]

Trying to be Barca. But it's obvious we could never pull it off

It doesn't make sense. We have players who can head a corner/cross in...

These short corners never succeed, such a waste. Allegri, use your brain PLEASE

[han2503]

Great free-kick from Aqui

[milanbuf88]

Zambro!

[CrazyMilanFan]

bring on el-sharraway

[han2503]

It doesn't make sense. We have players who can head a corner/cross in...

These short corners never succeed, such a waste. Allegri, use your brain PLEASE

Agreed, we have great takers and tall physical players who fight hard in the box. Make use of it

[CrazyMilanFan]

It doesn't make sense. We have players who can head a corner/cross in...

These short corners never succeed, such a waste. Allegri, use your brain PLEASE

exactly barca play short corner bcoz they have short players.. well well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[han2503]

PLEASE Clean Sheet!!

[X-Offender]

PIPPO!

[han2503]

Robs off, Pippo on

Seedorf off, Antonini on

And El Shaa once again left without a chance after warming up for the entire half

[CrazyMilanFan]

Robs off, Pippo on

Seedorf off, Antonini on

And El Shaa once again left without a chance after warming up for the entire half

should have given el shaa a chance this is a perfect game for him to come on there would be less pressure for him.

[CrazyMilanFan]

pippo almost

[han2503]

So achingly close for Pippo

[CrazyMilanFan]

FT 4-0

[han2503]

Clean sheet! Finally

[X-Offender]

Fifth consecutive win in Serie A.

[CrazyMilanFan]

Fifth consecutive win in Serie A.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/yahoo.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

should have given el shaa a chance this is a perfect game for him to come on there would be less pressure for him.

Well, both Pippo and El Sha should deserved to play, and Pippo made me a bit more happier. Since Ibra is untouchable...I knew one of the two would only come in.

[han2503]

Well, both Pippo and El Sha should deserved to play, and Pippo made me a bit more happier. Since Ibra is untouchable...I knew one of the two would only come in.

I thinkk both could have been given the chance, Brining in Antonini was completely unnecassary

[Jack Bauer]

Great win, and Catania were lucky to concede only 4 goals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Nov 6 2011, 05:53 PM

[han2503]

Great win, and Catania were lucky to concede only 4 goals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

I really don't think we got out of second gear. I'm not saying it as if we could have if we wanted to. The team seemed labored at times. Flashes of brilliance here and there. But I've yet to see a really commanding performance from us this season. Last season we just cruised through games, Inter, Napoli, Juve, etc, etc. We didn't let them get anywhere near our goal, one of those game ended with zero shots on our goal. That's just a ridiculous statistic! I know we have a lot of problems in the squad with the injuries and now the worries over Cassano. But I'm hoping the team uses this next week to really work on cohesion, especially in the defence.

[Jack Bauer]

I really don't think we got out of second gear. I'm not saying it as if we could have if we wanted to. The team seemed labored at times. Flashes of brilliance here and there. But I've yet to see a really commanding performance from us this season. Last season we just cruised through games, Inter, Napoli, Juve, etc, etc. We didn't let them get anywhere near our goal, one of those game ended with zero shots on our goal. That's just a ridiculous statistic! I know we have a lot of problems in the squad with the injuries and now the worries over Cassano. But I'm hoping the team uses this next week to really work on cohesion, especially in the defence.

We had tons of injuries in the beginning and once some players returned, we were able to create a good run that showed that we are still the best team in Serie A. Even today, with far from perfect line up, Catania created almsot nothing in this game, and they are not as bad team as they looked today. We are scoring about 4 goals a game in the last 5 games. Beat Roma away, which we hadn't done in about 6-7 years. The defence will follow.

It's not like we crushed them all last season. We also had injury issues, lost to Roma and Juve at home, were lucky that Napoli player received a red card in the first half... We eventually started to play great but the first half of the season was far from perfect.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: Nov 6 2011, 06:19 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

I thinkk both could have been given the chance, Brining in Antonini was completely unnecassary

Well, we all know that Allegri is afraid of taking out Ibra. So, could we expected him to play with 3 strikers?

[Zed.D]

Missed the game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) but great result. may this be the first of many clean-sheet wins to come!

[Dracoris]

Aquilani had the most successful passes (45) and tied Ambro for most clean tackles (6)

[Fillipo Simone]

...waiting for han...

[han2503]

We had tons of injuries in the beginning and once some players returned, we were able to create a good run that showed that we are still the best team in Serie A. Even today, with far from perfect line up, Catania created almsot nothing in this game, and they are not as bad team as they looked today. We are scoring about 4 goals a game in the last 5 games. Beat Roma away, which we hadn't done in about 6-7 years. The defence will follow.

It's not like we crushed them all last season. We also had injury issues, lost to Roma and Juve at home, were lucky that Napoli player received a red card in the first half... We eventually started to play great but the first half of the season was far from perfect.

I agree, but i personally expected that we would keep that chemistry in defence of last season and take it to this one. Obviously the injuries haven't helped, but I feel we're only a couple of steps away from being where we were last season. And I really want to see that change happen after this break

Missed the game (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) but great result. may this be the first of many clean-sheet wins to come!

Yeah, that's better then the 4 goals for me

Aquilani had the most successful passes (45) and tied Ambro for most clean tackles (6)

Aquilani might not be flashy and in your face, most of his work goes un-noticed imo. But what he brings to us is unquesionable imo.

...waiting for han...

That's the least I would expect from him given the position where he's playing in, and if you look at it, it's not that good a stat. How many times does VB win the ball per game? Countless. What I don't expect and want from him is horrible tackles that get him in the book on the first try and losing balls in dangerous areas, which is what he continuously does. VB might not be the most graceful and gets yellowed as much as Ambro, but his contribution is unparalleled plus he always plays it simple and rarely loses the ball because he's trying to make a pass he has no business making. There is no way you can make me admit that Ambro did anything right, simply because all his faults more then override whatever good he brings. I've just had it up to here with him.

[Jack Sparrow]

If MvB is out, outside of Ambro who are the options we have for DM? Given that Nocerino is almost untouchable now at LCM...and rotates with Seedorf.

[X-Offender]

If MvB is out, outside of Ambro who are the options we have for DM? Given that Nocerino is almost untouchable now at LCM...and rotates with Seedorf.

No-one. I guess if they're both unavailable, Allegri will play Seedorf in there.

[han2503]

No-one. I guess if they're both unavailable, Allegri will play Seedorf in there.

I'd probably start Seedorf in that position over Ambro....

[Jack Sparrow]

I don't know if Seedorf has the legs to start...and as for playing DM no way. Nope without Rino...Ambro is the only option available.