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han2503
I'm a bit on the down side due to the latest event with Cassano and all the other problems with injuries and all

All I want is the 3 points, ugly or pretty, at this point I don't care
Jack Bauer
Pato is still not ready (will return vs Fiorentina), Boateng and Nocerino suspended, Nesta and Mexes won't be available as well. Add to that, Casasno, Flamini and Rino are out for a long term.

Seems like we'll play with the MvB, Ambro, Seedorf, Aqui midfield. Hope for Yepes and not Bonera.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 4 2011, 05:05 PM) *
Pato is still not ready (will return vs Fiorentina), Boateng and Nocerino suspended, Nesta and Mexes won't be available as well. Add to that, Casasno, Flamini and Rino are out for a long term.

Seems like we'll play with the MvB, Ambro, Seedorf, Aqui midfield. Hope for Yepes and not Bonera.

I really hope that El Shaa will be given a fair chance in this one. I'd pick him to play behind Ibra or Robs over having Ambro in midfield that's for sure.

For me it would be

Abate--Thiago--Yepes--Taiwo
Aqui--VB--Seedorf
El Shaa
Robs--Ibra
Jack Bauer
Do you really think that Allegri will play with only one DM and El Sha - who didn't play an AM role for Milan at all so far and I don't know if he really can play there - behind the strikers? No chance.
X-Offender
Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho


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Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2011, 10:26 PM) *
Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho


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Yeah, both Sky and Gazzetta with this line-up.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 4 2011, 07:20 PM) *
Do you really think that Allegri will play with only one DM and El Sha - who didn't play an AM role for Milan at all so far and I don't know if he really can play there - behind the strikers? No chance.

Yeah I know that Allegri won't play that formation. It's what I want see. As for El Shaarawy, he's played there for Padova last season and that is his position, if Boateng can pull it off, so can he imo. He just has to be given the opportunity to do so.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2011, 07:26 PM) *
Abbiati
Abate - Bonera - T. Silva - Antonini
Aquilani - Van Bommel - Ambrosini
Seedorf
Ibrahimovic - Robinho


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Fillipo Simone
I'd like El Sha to start, but it ain't gonna happen. I just hope Allegri will take Inzaghi for this one...
Jack Sparrow
I'm a sucker for the whole old-young thing..so my pick is


---Aquilani----Ambro/MvB----Seedorf
---------------Pharaohinho-----------
----------Ibra-------------Pippo--------

Robinho to come off the bench.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 5 2011, 07:15 PM) *
I'm a sucker for the whole old-young thing..so my pick is


---Aquilani----Ambro/MvB----Seedorf
---------------Pharaohinho-----------
----------Ibra-------------Pippo--------

Robinho to come off the bench.

benching Robinho like that, but play Pippo instead, makes all the bad line-ups I've seen look good. Especially with Boateng (and Nocerino) out, Robinho is a necessarity. Anywho, this is what I would start:

Ibrahimovic, El Shaarawy
Robinho
Seedorf, Van Bommel, Aquilani
Taiwo, Yepes, Thiago Silva, Abate
Abbiati


you could switch Robinho with El Shaarawy, but I've never seen El Shaarawy as AM (and playing AM in Serie B or for Milan is not the same thing) so I don't know what to expect from that, Robinho has proven to play well there
Jack Bauer
Allegri:

“The doubts are Ambrosini or Van Bommel and Bonera or Yepes. I think Zambrotta will start at left back. Emanuelson, Robinho and Ibra could be an option Inzaghi will get called up. He’s been much better this week.”

“We’ll be up against Barcelona. We’ll see. If we’re better then we’ll win. If they’re better, then they’ll win. Otherwise it’ll end in a draw.” biggrin.gif

http://www.drrossoneri.com/2011/11/05/pre-...-milan-catania/

So we might see the Aqui-MVB-Urby-Seedorf midfield.
CHU-LIP
We'll be up against Barcelona? I don't get it? I thought it's about Catania, and then I read Barcelona.
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 5 2011, 08:39 PM) *
We'll be up against Barcelona? I don't get it? I thought it's about Catania, and then I read Barcelona.

He talked about both. Most of it about Catania but the last sentence is about Barca (This from press conference, somebody asked him about them).
han2503
he better not start Ambro over VB. That would be utter stupidity. Ambro was even looking horrible against BATE. How much more indication does Allegri need that Ambro cannot cut it any longer
Dracoris
Robinho over Pippo. Pippo in the 60/70' to clean up any slack. I'd probably start the Pharoah too, this is a good game for him to get intergrated.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 5 2011, 07:27 PM) *
benching Robinho like that, but play Pippo instead, makes all the bad line-ups I've seen look good.

What does that mean?

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you could switch Robinho with El Shaarawy, but I've never seen El Shaarawy as AM (and playing AM in Serie B or for Milan is not the same thing) so I don't know what to expect from that, Robinho has proven to play well there

Robinho may have prooven himself last season, but this year he hasn't done anything spectacular. Sure, his injury helped in that direction, but anyway...I'm not that kind of a fan playing Robinho on the AM. He is, IMO, much better suited as a SS.

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he better not start Ambro over VB. That would be utter stupidity. Ambro was even looking horrible against BATE. How much more indication does Allegri need that Ambro cannot cut it any longer

Hey, let's give it a try. I don't think he'll do so badly. I know you don't rate him anymore and he's proven to you unworthy of any faith this season, but still...have a little hope.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 6 2011, 01:17 AM) *
He is, IMO, much better suited as a SS.

IMO too, but the question is what's best for the team for that specific match...
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 6 2011, 12:17 AM) *
Hey, let's give it a try. I don't think he'll do so badly. I know you don't rate him anymore and he's proven to you unworthy of any faith this season, but still...have a little hope.

I think he's been given enough "tries" this season, and messed them all up without fail. He's just not good enough anymore. It's not a matter of me rating him or not. It's what I've been seeing whenever Ambro has stepped onto the pitch this season, and it's been cringe worthy every single time.

I don't really care for example if Pippo starts or not, he deserves a chance imo, so we can see what he can still do, another point infavour of Pippo is that his position is not crucial to the entire team's stability like Ambro's. Ambro has been given the chances Pippo simply hasn't and messed up every single one of them.

These guys have to know when to throw in the towel, and with our coach encouraging them to stay on by giving them chance after chance is just not helping the team. And what irks me more about that is that Pippo, Taiwo, etc have been shunned for some reason or another, while Ambro, Bonera and Rino have been invited back every time even after huge screw ups. It's just ridiculous

Ambro has no business being on that pitch unless it's a Coppa tie. Enough is enough!
han2503
btw. this is the line-up on sport mediaset

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Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Abate, Thiago Silva, Bonera; Zambrotta; Aquilani, Van Bommel, Ambrosini; Seedorf; Robinho, Ibrahimovic


To see Ambro in there, next to VB, as a left sided CM just makes me physically cringe. Let's not forget the fiasco of the Lecce game, he's terrible, so let's try to enhance his short-comings even further Allegri! rolleyes.gif

I'd push Seedorf back, push El Shaa in there. See what he can do. Give the kid some faith now that we're in this situation. This is the reason why I feel that the management spending money on young players is a huge wast eof money and time. Because they're simply not going to get a proper chance. We're in a crises situation and our coach prefers to push in the mumbling, stumbling Ambroisini instead of him. Enough said.
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 6 2011, 12:47 AM) *
I'd push Seedorf back, push El Shaa in there. See what he can do. Give the kid some faith now that we're in this situation. This is the reason why I feel that the management spending money on young players is a huge wast eof money and time. Because they're simply not going to get a proper chance. We're in a crises situation and our coach prefers to push in the mumbling, stumbling Ambroisini instead of him. Enough said.


So true. sleep.gif
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2011, 08:10 PM) *
So true. sleep.gif

+2
drucurl
Well as much as I'd like to lead the charge against Allegri (seeing as I was the first to conclude that he wasn't a big team coach sleep.gif ) The problems we complain about are symptomatic of most typical Italian coaches...even the good ones like Lippi, Ancelotti etc. I think this is one thing that sets Capello kinda away from the aforementioned since despite his iron clad disciplinarian stance towards everybody, he played Cassano and Robinho without much coaxing. He also repeatedly dropped ADP for iBra.

Mancini also seems to value bringing in the youth to the system. That said, however not letting an unproven player prove his worth is one thing. Stubbornly playing inept players because you prefer them is quite another and Allegri is also guilty of this....though as the Taiwo debacle seems to be clearing up....not as much as it would seem I guess
Jack Sparrow
I think Allegri rewards training or something. I can't explain else, how Bonera gets a look-in. Not to mention, in his interviews he always says something like 'X has looked much better this week and might start..." etc.
kurtsimonw
He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 6 2011, 09:02 AM) *
He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.


I always stressed that assumption.
Fillipo Simone
Well, I did to. Sorrily, it wasn't applied with the same vehemence when Ancelotti was coach, and not Allegri.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 6 2011, 07:02 AM) *
He sees the players more than us, so that's why it's hard for people to understand his decisions sometimes. Most of the season it's been "OMG how can he not start Taiwo!", but he obviously sees on a regular basis just how bad a player he is. And that seems to be the case based on his performances when he has had a chance.

I don't agree with that seeing as the ones he chose above them were Ambro and Antonini. Again, that should be enough said on my part because the players he seems to favour over others at this point have been nothing short of terrible when they've played. I don't care if Ambro is sweating blood during trianing at this point, if he can't cut it then he shouldn't be starting. It's pretty simple. He's making mistakes on the pitch, where it really counts, so what he does in training is all good and well but if he's going to hold us back on match day then I don't care how much work he puts in. Also this theory you guys have imo is totally unfair, it's like saying that Antonini and Ambro are killing themselves on daily basis while Taiwo and El Shaa are sitting on the sidelines having a smoke while the rest train. Just ridiculous.

Taiwo cannot be judged yet, he's made a couple of mistakes yes, but people forget that he's a new squad player, new to the league and team, doesn't speak the language, etc, etc. What's the excuse for someone like Antonini or Ambro or Bonera? And imo, some of their mistakes have been far worse then what Taiwo has done thise season. It's just ridiculous that these players are still starting important Serie A/CL games for us
han2503
Anyone got the line-up?

I can see Ambro started in front of the defence dry.gif
han2503
lol is that Urby behind the strikers? Just ridiculous
han2503
Penalty!

Robs hacked down!

What a pass from Ibra there!
han2503
IBRAA
Boban10
Good start, IBRA!!!!!!
milanbuf88
Nice penalty Ibra. Urby had a pretty nice pass in the lead up to the penalty. He isn't completely useless haha
han2503
ambro rolleyes.gif How typical
Boban10
FFS Ambro????? Is he wanting sent off!
milanbuf88
Yellow for Ambro. What a joke. Guy needs to retire.
han2503
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Nov 6 2011, 03:09 PM) *
Nice penalty Ibra. Urby had a pretty nice pass in the lead up to the penalty. He isn't completely useless haha

I think he could be a lot more useful when played in a more familiar position... He does better when deeper, but is just useless in tight areas. And playing behind the strikers means thinking quickly because you're closed down quickly, and just cannot do that

Also. If Allegri gives Ambro the nod for Barca I'll bang my head to a wall
han2503
Ambro loses that ball on the edge of the area!

It's sad that he's proving me so right rolleyes.gif
han2503
OMG, look at the defending off that set-piece.
han2503
They're just walking through our midfield, we've lost control of the game. Look how they got past Ambro...
milanbuf88
WOW. Robinho!!!!!!!
han2503
Robinho!!!!

Again, Ibra doing everything to make that happen!! What a play!!
han2503
OMG! Ibra is just out of this world today!! Played Seedorf through again! Seedorf with a bad miss though
Boban10
NICE ROBBIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
han2503
I have to say, for all our faults, Ibra and Robs have really stepped up today given all the problems in attack. Ibra is doing the work of 3 men out there. While Robs is very cool and collected
CrazyMilanFan
ambro almost scored from the corner..
han2503
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Nov 6 2011, 03:44 PM) *
ambro almost scored from the corner..

Only decent thing he's done so far.

Look at the way he followed that up, The Catania player ran straight through the center of our midfield
milanbuf88
Good cross by Urby
X-Offender
Bonera with lots of useless fouls today.
han2503
lol, what a joke ref!! Bonera didn't even touch the guy!
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