[Portman]

Rijkaard set for Milan? 

Monday 12 March, 2007 ::: channel4.com

Frank Rijkaard could leave Barcelona for Milan at the end of the season, according to reports in Italy.

The Dutch tactician is allegedly looking for a house in Milan, fuelling speculation that he might replace Carlo Ancelotti on the San Siro bench.

Rijkaard is contracted to the Blaugrana until 2008, but his deal has a clause which would allow him to leave the Nou Camp one year in advance.

The defeat in Sunday’s Derby della Madonnina has also increased the chances of seeing Ancelotti end his relationship with the Via Turati outfit in the summer.

“I believe my future here depends on the results I will obtain,” admitted the Rossoneri Coach.

“I would like to stay here for many years, but I know how things go in football,” added the tactician, who joined Milan in 2001.

It is believed that much will depend on Milan’s future in the Champions League, as well as their qualification for next season’s competition.

Yesterday’s defeat left the Diavoli six-points shy of the top four and only a victory in the Athens Final in May might convince the Rossoneri management to extend the Coach’s stay.

Rijkaard had already been linked with the Via Turati club, as he is allegedly tired of the tension between himself and the dressing room.

If the news were to be confirmed, reports suggest that Ancelotti might move in the opposite direction to La Liga, with Real Madrid allegedly interested in the Coach’s services.

[redbabies]

hope it happens.

we need fresh blood.

[Rossoneri7]

I think Carlo will still be here for one more season

[dst]

No No No!! No Rijkaard! No!

It's either Spalletti or Prandelli for me!

This post has been edited by dst: Mar 12 2007, 03:16 PM

[Tennie]

Much as I enjoyed the Llama when he was a player for Milan, I'm not sure he'd be a great coach for the Rossoneri. If he does come, he needs a peacemaker sort of assistant coach like Ten Cate used to be at Barca. Ten Cate's presence in Barca is sorely missed, as he was the one who kept the peace in the dressing room -- and this year, there has been story after story about this or that player being unhappy or of fights among players. So....no Rijkaard for me unless he's got an awfully good assistant coming with him.

[Portman]

No No No!! No Rijkaard! No!

It's either Spalletti or Prandelli for me!

I like Prandelli. I'd prefer him to Rijkaard anyday.

[milanista1899]

No No No!! No Rijkaard! No!

It's either Spalletti or Prandelli for me!

I don't think they have any/enough experience when it comes to winning titles so I think I'd rather keep Carlo. Both are excellent coaches though. I want to see one of the Milan family take over from Ancelotti.

[dst]

I don't think they have any/enough experience when it comes to winning titles so I think I'd rather keep Carlo. Both are excellent coaches though. I want to see one of the Milan family take over from Ancelotti.

Carlo not only hadn't won anything when he came to Milan (as a coach) but he also was considered (still is by some) a loser at that time!

[milanista1899]

Carlo not only hadn't won anything when he came to Milan (as a coach) but he also was considered (still is by some) a loser at that time!

True but we didn't have the same realistic ambitions we have now, and he's been here for 5yrs, to get someone new and not even connected with Milan would be a huge step (a much bigger one than when Carlo replaced Terim)

[HasanHasanly]

id prefer Carlo to all the coaches in the world....

[dst]

True but we didn't have the same realistic ambitions we have now, and he's been here for 5yrs, to get someone new and not even connected with Milan would be a huge step (a  much bigger one than when Carlo replaced Terim)

We need to take that step sooner rather than later!

But who was Carlo connected to Milan? If you mean as a former player then I don't think it would make that big a difference even if he wasn't. "It's good for la familia" I guess but then again Rijkaard is not even a proper coach yet IMO and I'd rather we didn't wait for Evani to come up through the young teams of Milan to the senior one!

[Jack Sparrow]

Let's see...coaches for Milan if HYPOTHETICALLY Carletto screwed up and got fired....

Numero Uno Choice:

Marco Van Basten: One Milan great replaces another. The 'la familia' thing is maintained. Knows all about the heritage of the club, so won't screw up. Can be extremely objective and there is no place for sentimentality on the team,only performance picks. Expect young exciting signings and Milan playing a 4-3-3 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) Is not gonna have a problem winning people's/player's respect. Carlo's excellent relationship with the players might actually carry over. Has exactly the right attitude. Somewhere between the sullen seriousness of Carletto and the Jose "Look at me, look at me, kiss my butt, I'm the special one!" Mourinho

Drawbacks:

Is Dutch, so will be stubborn, and might not be overtly flexible. Is still majorly inexperienced and tactical excellence to a large extent depends on experience.

All in all a revolution is guaranteed. Whether it'll be a great leap forward or into the sh!thole remains to be seen.


Choice Number 2: Marcelo Lippi

Easily the number 1 motivator in Italy and arguably one of it's greatest coaches ever. Might not try anything special, might not create a side built for domination, but will be a match winning side.

Drawbacks:
Why should this guy try hard? What's he got left to prove?

Choice number 3:

Juande Ramos

Current Sevilla coach.

Positives: Have you seen Sevilla play??!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Fluid,attacking, and can make magic out of Brazillians. With Milan's attacking prowess, would be a sight to behold. Has sufficient experience, and a proven philosophy of play.

Negatives: Is Spanish. Might be a tempestous relationship with a much more conservative Milan management. Might not like the idea of not being able to call all the shots. And La Liga NOT EQUALS Serie A.


Choice number 4:

Jose 'The Chosen One' Mourinho

Positives: Big rep. Succesful. Huge media personality. Tactically astute. Hard taskmaster.

Negatives: Boring to watch. Big mouth. Expect to be at loggerheads with B&G 75% of the time. Will also be expensive.


These are my opinions.

Take your pick. I haven't really picked Spalleti or Prandelli. Spalleti will not leave Roma till he achieves something there. And Prandelli would be good for Gila. But won't be good for 'la familia' . Besides there are better out there if we really want. And mostly I have a bad feeling about this bloke. Especially when it comes to Europe.


Also rans: Bernd Schuster, Fabio Capello, Ten Cate, Portugal, dst,Bluesummers,han2503

[dst]

Capello is certainly NOT an option!!

What's with this objection about coaches being a part of Milan's history!?

Was Sacchi in any way related to AC Milan?? He was a shoe salesman before he became a coach and unless he owned Cesare Maldini's favorite shoe shop I can't spot any link between him and the club. And Arrigo Sacchi is the most successful coach in Silvio's era as Milan's president (well, along with Capello)!

MVB is not much better than Rijkaard so again no!!

I don't think so high of Lippi myself, I never regarded him a great coach and I wouldn't like him in Milan.

I really can't see why Juande Ramos is better than either Spalletti or Prandelli. I think the two Italians have done a much better job than him. Sevilla might play good football but they lack results (at least this season). They should have taken advantage of this crazy campaign already, they have many less injuries than any other club.

Spalletti plays with no forwards for two season in a row and look at what he's achieved! Prandelli has taken the best out of each one of his players in an unbelievable way. He has made Viola a top 4 club in no time and he also had an amazing spell at Parma and Verona!

ten Care is the only Dutch coach I think could be up to the job.

As for Mourinho... well... he's the best, I just hate his attitude (and I guess he also wouldn't like Don Silvio messing around with his plans...) !!

I think there's another thread about Rijkaard, or was it about Carlo's future? So please if there is indeed such one I would like someone to merge them so that all opinion be together.

This post has been edited by dst: Mar 12 2007, 08:14 PM

[milanista1899]

We need to take that step sooner rather than later!

But who was Carlo connected to Milan? If you mean as a former player then I don't think it would make that big a difference even if he wasn't. "It's good for la familia" I guess but then again Rijkaard is not even a proper coach yet IMO and I'd rather we didn't wait for Evani to come up through the young teams of Milan to the senior one!

If we don't win the CL then you could be right.

Yea, that's what I meant. How is Rijkaard not a proper coach yet? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

There's also Donadoni, Baresi, Tassotti & Galli (the last 3 I think have swapped around in the last 2 seasons) Carlo could swap with Donadoni & get his wish as the Italy coach. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[dst]

It's proven this year that the master of the puppets was Henk ten Care. Rijkaard was and is nothing but just the showcase, he's only an apprentice.

If Italy manage to win Scotland this coming weekend then I think Donadoni will be safe for now. And I don't think he would leave the national team anyway.

[agenth]

Capello is certainly NOT an option!!

What's with this objection about coaches being a part of Milan's history!?

Was Sacchi in any way related to AC Milan?? He was a shoe salesman before he became a coach and unless he owned Cesare Maldini's favorite shoe shop I can't spot any link between him and the club. And Arrigo Sacchi is the most successful coach in Silvio's era as Milan's president (well, along with Capello)!

MVB is not much better than Rijkaard so again no!!

I don't think so high of Lippi myself, I never regarded him a great coach and I wouldn't like him in Milan.

I really can't see why Juande Ramos is better than either Spalletti or Prandelli. I think the two Italians have done a much better job than him. Sevilla might play good football but they lack results (at least this season). They should have taken advantage of this crazy campaign already, they have many less injuries than any other club.

Spalletti plays with no forwards for two season in a row and look at what he's achieved! Prandelli has taken the best out of each one of his players in an unbelievable way. He has made Viola a top 4 club in no time and he also had an amazing spell at Parma and Verona!

ten Care is the only Dutch coach I think could be up to the job.

As for Mourinho... well... he's the best, I just hate his attitude (and I guess he also wouldn't like Don Silvio messing around with his plans...) !!

I think there's another thread about Rijkaard, or was it about Carlo's future? So please if there is indeed such one I would like someone to merge them so that all opinion be together.

so... who do you like

and who is worthy of milan?

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

so... who do you like

and who is worthy of milan?

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Jack Sparrow (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[dst]

so... who do you like

and who is worthy of milan?

Mourinho, Hiddink, Spalletti and Prandelli are all "worthy of Milan"!

Thing is, I don't like the man Mourinho and I think Don Silvio would never hire him too. One because he don't like him and two because he can't handle him. But I could very well be wrong.

The rest, I would welcome!

[Bluesummers]

Mourinho, Hiddink, Spalletti and Prandelli are all "worthy of Milan"!

Thing is, I don't like the man Mourinho and I think Don Silvio would never hire him too. One because he don't like him and two because he can't handle him. But I could very well be wrong.

The rest, I would welcome!

Almost right Dst, very good selection but you forgot a teeny tiny detail. But i'll fix it up for ya no problem.

Mourinho, Hiddink, Spalletti, Prandelli, and Bluesummers are all "worthy of Milan"!

Thing is, I don't like the man Mourinho and I think Don Silvio would never hire him too. One because he don't like him and two because he can't handle him. But I could very well be wrong.

The rest, I would welcome!

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This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Mar 13 2007, 02:25 AM

[dst]

I'm dst's b!tch

Well if you say so...

So you are the one that wants to become a football coach? Anything new about it?

This post has been edited by dst: Mar 13 2007, 02:46 AM

[Rossoneri7]

Well if you say so...

So you are the one that wants to become a football coach? Anything new about it?

ehm .. These are the people that call it soccer .. Be nice (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Bluesummers]

Yes i wanto be a coach and hopefully manager of AC Milan someday. I hope i can achieve my dream and one day you guys will be criticizing me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And so what if i call it soccer, football, ball kicked with feet, footy, fooseball, a sport not for fat people, and european football. It makes no difference. its all the same (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[dst]

Yes i wanto be a coach and hopefully manager of AC Milan someday.  I hope i can achieve my dream and one day you guys will be criticizing me (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)   And so what if i call it soccer, football, ball kicked with feet, footy, fooseball, a sport not for fat people, and european football.  It makes no difference.  its all the same (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Yes but it is football! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

This post has been edited by dst: Mar 13 2007, 03:08 AM

[Jack Sparrow]

Hey hey hey...I don't have a problem with Spalletti. All I said was I don't think he'd leave Roma without achieving something big. He'd be cool, coz then we might finally see Milan play with wingers. When was the last time we've seen that?

Prandelli, I don't know. I just have a bad feeling about this. I mean it's true about what he did to Viola, but then again Viola were always a top 4 team with Batigol and Rui until that little bankruptcy thingie happened. Besides I don't know about Europe. I'd prefer someone with European experience.

Hiddink was my personal favourite, but I don't think he wants a job where he'll be stuck at work all year. And he's Dutch! Ask Porty what happens to Dutch coaches in Serie A. He puts it very elegantly.

[agenth]

Mourinho, Hiddink, Spalletti and Prandelli are all "worthy of Milan"!

Thing is, I don't like the man Mourinho and I think Don Silvio would never hire him too. One because he don't like him and two because he can't handle him. But I could very well be wrong.

The rest, I would welcome!

he can't handle the fire? xD

Nah, Silvio wants to put his nose into Milan's matters and Jose wants to be the lone regent of his club.
so that doesnt mix well

[misha]

Mourinho or Hiddink for me

[dst]

Nah, Silvio wants to put his nose into Milan's matters and Jose wants to be the lone regent of his club.
so that doesnt mix well

that's what I was trying to say... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

Carlo forever !!!!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Dano]

There is only one manager in the world at this point in time I’d like rather than Carlo, and that’s Jose Mourinho. This guy is the ultimate tactician, works wonders with press. Granted, he’s a bit arrogant… But that’s because he can be!

[Rossoneri7]

Welcome Mee Lahn Fan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)


Yes Mourinho has credentials to coach this team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Bluesummers]

Welcome Mee Lahn Fan (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
Yes Mourinho has credentials to coach this team (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

and so will i (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

and so will i  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) .. Yeah yeah, and so will my grandmother (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

. Yeah yeah, and so will my grandmother (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Really?? How come she didn't come down to see us that day in ur place? We could have talked football? Or was she off coaching Al Qadissiya (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) . (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

She's too old ... If she came to Milan, the average age would jump to 62 in Milan ... And We'd never hear the end of it for MOST of the members (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Fair point.

[Fillipo Simone]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Let`s go back to the topic...

No No No!! No Rijkaard! No!

It's either Spalletti or Prandelli for me!

Why? I mean, Spalletti and Prandelli are good coaches, but I don`t see them as real Milan material.

I`d like Carlo cause of his past with Milan and cause his good coaching record. And what have Spalletti and Prandelli of that? Nothing...by bringing them on it would be something like the Zach time...we won the Scudetto and everything, but something was just missing... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Both of them haven`t achieved anything real special jet, and for Milan at this moment a coach-experiment isn`t needed.

I really like the idea of giving some real Milan legend the job as coach, someone who would be here with all his heart. So Rijkaard is IMO the logical choice. He won the CL and the Primera, also is a Milan legend.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

[dst]

I`d like Carlo cause of his past with Milan and cause his good coaching record. And what have Spalletti and Prandelli of that? Nothing...by bringing them on it would be something like the Zach time...we won the Scudetto and everything, but something was just missing... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Both of them haven`t achieved anything real special jet, and for Milan at this moment a coach-experiment isn`t needed.

I really like the idea of giving some real Milan legend the job as coach, someone who would be here with all his heart. So Rijkaard is IMO the logical choice. He won the CL and the Primera, also is a Milan legend.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)

You mean you'd like Frank, right?

Rijkaard is obviously NOT a good coach. It seems to me that he tries really hard to make as many wrong choices as he can!

He messed up at the Dutch National team - he reached the Euro semis of course but he had one great team in his hands, one that would have easily made it to the finals if it wasn't for his poor management! Next stop was Sparta Rotterdam... and the team's first relegation in history!

And then Barcelona... It seems like everyone who was saying that the Master Of The Puppets was Henk ten Cate is proven right now that he's gone... you can see that Rijkaard is not able to handle all those egos and personalities in the dressing room and his coaching is costly...

Look at his subs, look at the line-ups he comes up with... It's hilarious, the man is NOT a coach and Barcelona's management make me laugh so hard. He's as important to Barcelona as Mancini is to Inter! If you want some examples I'll give one to start with and then I will also do so for every game you ask me to.

Look at the game against Liverpool at Camp Nou. Liverpool equalize thanks to the joke of a goalie that Valdés is. That's not Rijkaard's fault of course but everything that comes after it is. As everybody knows the CL knock-out rounds are constituted of two legs. Well everybody but Franky who has probably skipped that class; He takes Motta, the only guy that covered up for the defence, out and then Loverpool's second is only a matter of time as their midfielders are having a party in Catalunia... Like the duel would end at 90min... Surprise! There's a second leg!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

@dst ..

I think Rijkaard still needs time, but turning him into the alibie for how the team has been doing is not fair.

First off, all those egos that u talk about would much rather be at teams like Milan or Madrid .. Basically somewhere important. And the media isn't helping one bit (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Secondly, BArca is still in 1st place in the league so I dont understand the fuss (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The CL ? Werent Milan kicked out by Liverpool ?? And we are talking about Milan here.

Thirdly, I agree Rijkaard isn't the best coach out there, but he is at Barca and has the faith of their board. Barca has an even stronger team than last season and are no push overs. If they loose to Madrid, Athletico, Betis, and Sevilla (not saying they lost all those, but ..) Barcalona are at top spot (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Now it is not like me to defend Barca, and I still dislike them, but the truth has to be said, Rijkaard is still on course at bringing back the title.

[Jack Sparrow]

MVB's Dutch played Hiddink's Russia , and Guus got owned 4-1.

Can't wait to see em in Euro competition.

MVB for life (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[han2503]

MVB's Dutch played Hiddink's Russia , and Guus got owned 4-1.

  Can't wait to see em in Euro competition.

MVB for life (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

What is it with you and MVB the coach??

Imo he's not a good one

[Jack Sparrow]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Not the good one???!!!

THIS IS MILAAAAANNNN!

*Kicks han into a huge hole in the ground*

I was saving it for dst, but you just had to open ur mouth.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[han2503]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Not the good one???!!!

THIS IS MILAAAAANNNN!

*Kicks han into a huge hole in the ground*

I was saving it for dst, but you just had to open ur mouth.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But I still don't think he's a good coach

*runs and hides* (IMG:http://www.coolsmileys.net/general/sofa.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

That doesn't happen in the movie! Or does it have a different story line in Malta.

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Mar 17 2007, 09:19 PM

[han2503]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

That doesn't happen in the movie! Or does it have a different story line in Malta.

Everything is different over here (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[I_Rossoneri]

You mean you'd like Frank, right?

Rijkaard is obviously NOT a good coach. It seems to me that he tries really hard to make as many wrong choices as he can!

He messed up at the Dutch National team - he reached the Euro semis of course but he had one great team in his hands, one that would have easily made it to the finals if it wasn't for his poor management! Next stop was Sparta Rotterdam... and the team's first relegation in history!

And then Barcelona... It seems like everyone who was saying that the Master Of The Puppets was Henk ten Cate is proven right now that he's gone... you can see that Rijkaard is not able to handle all those egos and personalities in the dressing room and his coaching is costly...

Look at his subs, look at the line-ups he comes up with... It's hilarious, the man is NOT a coach and Barcelona's management make me laugh so hard. He's as important to Barcelona as Mancini is to Inter! If you want some examples I'll give one to start with and then I will also do so for every game you ask me to.

Look at the game against Liverpool at Camp Nou. Liverpool equalize thanks to the joke of a goalie that Valdés is. That's not Rijkaard's fault of course but everything that comes after it is. As everybody knows the CL knock-out rounds are constituted of two legs. Well everybody but Franky who has probably skipped that class; He takes Motta, the only guy that covered up for the defence, out and then Loverpool's second is only a matter of time as their midfielders are having a party in Catalunia... Like the duel would end at 90min... Surprise! There's a second leg!!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

TBH every bad thing you have said about Frank can also be said about carlo. At least Frank has constantly won silverware with Barca, and they are top of la liga.

Frank might not be the best manager around but there aren't too many others on the market. Lippi would be another good choice, but even he has weaknesses. There might be a chance that Mourhino will be available in the summer, if so then he should be highly considered IMO

[han2503]

TBH every bad thing you have said about Frank can also be said about carlo. At least Frank has constantly won silverware with Barca, and they are top of la liga.

Frank might not be the best manager around but there aren't too many others on the market. Lippi would be another good choice, but even he has weaknesses. There might be a chance that Mourhino will be available in the summer, if so then he should be highly considered IMO

Carlo would never do something as stupid as Rijkaard did against Liverpool, and that's a certainty.

Imo Lippi is not an option, don't like his style and can be more infuriating then Carlo at times in his selections and choices. Plus other then his success at Juve with the doped up players and Moggi running the show he hasn't really done aything that great either.

You might say the World Cup, but I am a believer that I could have been coaching Italy and they still would have won it this summer. He was just the right person at the right time.

Imo Mourinho is the only guy who could be a step up from what we already have.

And we'll see if Rijkaard will deliver any silverware this season when the brains behind Barca's team of the past seasons is in Holland.

This post has been edited by han2503: Mar 17 2007, 10:02 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

You mean you'd like Frank, right?

Rijkaard is obviously NOT a good coach. It seems to me that he tries really hard to make as many wrong choices as he can!

He messed up at the Dutch National team - he reached the Euro semis of course but he had one great team in his hands, one that would have easily made it to the finals if it wasn't for his poor management! Next stop was Sparta Rotterdam... and the team's first relegation in history!

And then Barcelona... It seems like everyone who was saying that the Master Of The Puppets was Henk ten Cate is proven right now that he's gone... you can see that Rijkaard is not able to handle all those egos and personalities in the dressing room and his coaching is costly...

Look at his subs, look at the line-ups he comes up with... It's hilarious, the man is NOT a coach and Barcelona's management make me laugh so hard. He's as important to Barcelona as Mancini is to Inter! If you want some examples I'll give one to start with and then I will also do so for every game you ask me to.

Look at the game against Liverpool at Camp Nou. Liverpool equalize thanks to the joke of a goalie that Valdés is. That's not Rijkaard's fault of course but everything that comes after it is. As everybody knows the CL knock-out rounds are constituted of two legs. Well everybody but Franky who has probably skipped that class; He takes Motta, the only guy that covered up for the defence, out and then Loverpool's second is only a matter of time as their midfielders are having a party in Catalunia... Like the duel would end at 90min... Surprise! There's a second leg!!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The CL final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ? Well, guess you made a clear point...Frank does some mistakes.

But hey, aren`t yoz still a bit harsh to him? I mean, you suggested Prandelli or Spalletti. At least Frank did win the Primera twice and the CL, and what did they done? I must say that I am positive that if I would watch their coaching in important matches like the Barac-Liverpool match, they would have done also mistakes like that...

But you mentioned the Euro 2000. That was just bad luck. I mean, look at the facts. This was the last time Holland did play real power football, they played attractive and great. They destroyed Yugoslavia 6:0, played great against France, Denmark and the Czechs...and then came Toldo. Sure, Frank helped with that clumsy penalty-taker list. But then again...
Was that really such a great Holland team at all? I`m not sure...van Gaal had the same squad but failed to reach the 2002 finals...

And Rijkaard all in all does play offensive, and that means risky. With Sparta it wasn`t exactly his fault...

Ten Cate? Well,...I don`t see him as such a genious...he is good, but...I expected more of him at Ajax. And I don`t belive it`s his departure that disrupted the Barca squad.

Somehow I belive Frank has the potential, and Milan is the perfect place to place that potential. Milan would be a new level for Rijkaard...

[LaPalma]

The CL final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ? Well, guess you made a clear point...Frank does some mistakes.

But hey, aren`t yoz still a bit harsh to him? I mean, you suggested Prandelli or Spalletti. At least Frank did win the Primera twice and the CL, and what did they done? I must say that I am positive that if I would watch their coaching in important matches like the Barac-Liverpool match, they would have done also mistakes like that...

But you mentioned the Euro 2000. That was just bad luck. I mean, look at the facts. This was the last time Holland did play real power football, they played attractive and great. They destroyed Yugoslavia 6:0, played great against France, Denmark and the Czechs...and then came Toldo. Sure, Frank helped with that clumsy penalty-taker list. But then again...
Was that really such a great Holland team at all? I`m not sure...van Gaal had the same squad but failed to reach the 2002 finals...

And Rijkaard all in all does play offensive, and that means risky. With Sparta it wasn`t exactly his fault...

Ten Cate? Well,...I don`t see him as such a genious...he is good, but...I expected more of him at Ajax. And I don`t belive it`s his departure that disrupted the Barca squad.

Somehow I belive Frank has the potential, and Milan is the perfect place to place that potential. Milan would be a new level for Rijkaard...

Rijkaard IS a joke. OK, he won two league titles and the CL. But with THAT team in Primera Division, considering that all other teams were just too stupid...well.
About the CL. The UEFA practically GAVE it to them. All that stupid decisons, well.
I'm sure every experienced good european team (Liverfool showed it). Not give them to much room in midfield, play them hard and they'll break down.
And the Durch NT well (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Jack Sparrow]

And the Durch NT well

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) You'll see, you'll see. He'll make you all go down on your knees, and beg to come over. And on that day, I will do an arrivanj and run naked down the streets of Trivandrum. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[AuRoR]

I just hope that carlo leaves milan end of the season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) You'll see, you'll see. He'll make you all go down on your knees, and beg to come over. And on that day, I will do an arrivanj and run naked down the streets of Trivandrum. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

So you are really "in" with MvB? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ...then its good you didn`t see my comments on him during the WC.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[LaPalma]

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) You'll see, you'll see. He'll make you all go down on your knees, and beg to come over. And on that day, I will do an arrivanj and run naked down the streets of Trivandrum. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The Dutch NT (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Sorry...always good for a laugh...

[Edadencetenan61]

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[dst]

I think Rijkaard still needs time, but turning him into the alibie for how the team has been doing is not fair.

I didn't do that! (And you didn't say I did, right?)

First off, all those egos that u talk about would much rather be at teams like Milan or Madrid .. Basically somewhere important.

Barcelona is not important? Ha-ha!! You're not really trying to state that as a fact, right?

And the media hasn't been "friendly" with Milan either but look at how we are performing. After the Istanbul tragedy the media were so harsh on Milan and it's players I thought everyone (including the medicals) would resign. So this is not an excuse.

Secondly, BArca is still in 1st place in the league so I dont understand the fuss (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You're not really using that lame excuse to argue about Frank, are you? Please... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

The CL ? Werent Milan kicked out by Liverpool ?? And we are talking about Milan here.

You've said yourself numerous times you consider that cup to be Milan's... and you do that cause what happened is not going to happen ever again. Milan were by far the better team on the field and were not humiliated by a golfer and his b!tch!! Liverpool were the better team in BOTH legs against Barcelona... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Thirdly, I agree Rijkaard isn't the best coach out there, but he is at Barca and has the faith of their board. Barca has an even stronger team than last season and are no push overs. If they loose to Madrid, Athletico, Betis, and Sevilla (not saying they lost all those, but ..) Barcalona are at top spot (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

So what?? Gila is at Milan and has the faith of the board... Mancini at Inter too. People are just too stubborn to accept their mistakes and kick them out of their lives. How come the current Barcelona team is better than last season's? Where exactly does this come from? The results? The way they're performing? What? And don't tell me Zambrotta and Thuram. GZ is not as good as he was in Italy and Thuram, at 35, has featured in how many matches? 6? 7? They also are without Larsson in case you forgot, the player that won them the final last May!

TBH every bad thing you have said about Frank can also be said about carlo. At least Frank has constantly won silverware with Barca, and they are top of la liga.

I never said Carlo is a GREAT coach. It seems to me though that he knows how to keep his team compact and doesn't make big mistakes in every single match. At least they don't cost the team every team he does.

You should ask yourself why you don't like Carlo then since he's been one of the most successful coaches of the past years... He got a CL and Scudetto back to back and then began the decline... the only reason Rijkaard will win La Liga this season is cause there's no equal opponent to Barça. Sevilla? LOL!! Real and Valencia? No way! On the other hand Carlo had a cheating Giuve to face... And when he won the CL... he wasn't pushed to the final by the refs!!

This post has been edited by dst: Mar 18 2007, 03:18 PM

[dst]

The CL final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ? Well, guess you made a clear point...Frank does some mistakes.

(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

But hey, aren`t yoz still a bit harsh to him? I mean, you suggested Prandelli or Spalletti. At least Frank did win the Primera twice and the CL, and what did they done? I must say that I am positive that if I would watch their coaching in important matches like the Barac-Liverpool match, they would have done also mistakes like that...

What do you mean what they have done?? They coach the Viola and I Lupi... do you expect them to win the CL?? In fact, Spalletti has a chance to make it. In their teams they have done extraordinary things while Frank, the only time he didn't coach a great team that can pull miracles on it's own, got them relegated! You say it's not his fault, whose is it? Mine?

Spalletti plays with no forwards for two season now and look at his team... they haven't got any problems to score and every player is linked well with each other. They are arguably the most tactical and wrought team in Serie A, that fact is telling! He built a side with players that other than Totti, nobody knew but now everybody wants! All big clubs want De Rossi, Mancini, Mexès, Chivu, Perrotta... He led Empoli to from Serie C to A in two seasons (!!) and then he took Udinese to the Champions League! He even made Iaquinta look good, that IS something!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Do you remember Fiorentina before Prandelli?? Every season they fought on the lower sections on the table, sometimes even for relegation. He reached 4th spot last season and he's fighting for it now... And with Parma he finished 5th for two seasons in a row and he would have even made it if the BIG ones didn't want differently! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

But you mentioned the Euro 2000. That was just bad luck.
Was that really such a great Holland team at all? I`m not sure...van Gaal had the same squad but failed to reach the 2002 finals...

That was not just bad luck. He changed his tactics in that game and screwed it all up! He was conservative, if he had sticked with the attacking style, Netherlands would have blown their way through Italy. And that WAS a great team yeah. But at the EURO they reached the roof and after that they were on the decline. Bergkamp, by far the most influential player on the team, retired and they were left with no leader. Van Gaal's failure was a disaster of course the team was not that bad.

Ten Cate? Well,...I don`t see him as such a genious...he is good, but...I expected more of him at Ajax. And I don`t belive it`s his departure that disrupted the Barca squad.

I did expect more too. But it's only his first season. I don't know how big his influence was on Barcelona but I remember Frank running to the bench every now and then to talk with him... I haven't seen any other coach seeking for advice from his aide that much.

Milan would be a new level for Rijkaard...

Definitely. A level he can't handle though! I hope he won't come cause I'm almost sure he well fail but if next season he is our coach then I wish him good luck and I will support him!

The Dutch NT
Sorry...always good for a laugh...

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[Rossoneri7]

@dst ...

Rijkaard isnt the best coach .. Yes I agree, but he isnt the worst either (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I didnt say u stated it (using Rijkaard as an alibie), but it seems like that since u pointed out that Barca's performance this season was down to his incompetence or whatever..

Barcaisnt an important club !! Yes that is true, ONLY reason why they are on the top is because of R10, before him RIvaldo, Ronaldo, Romario, Maradona .. In each of these players respective times at Barca, the team has won something of merit. U get what I'm saying ?!

Yes I am using that lame excuse to praise Rijkaard. Not any manager can push Barca to first place (I mean sure a team of stars does help). But Rijkaard has to be given credit as being a manager isnt just down to playing a certain formation or plaing certain players. It is a tactical approach. Any one here ever played at a club knows what I am talking about. A manager reads the game in a way that we can only come to understand just 15% of it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I do consider that CL as ours. but to prove a point that if Milan the GREAT lost to Liverfool (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (damn u for letting me repeat this) .. Then ofcourse Barca would loose and so would Chelsea, Juve, and all the others that came in their paths. We outplayed them in Istanbul and owned them, yes, but they won because of Rafa's tactical awarness. he read the game right and knew when to hit Milan and where !

Barca's team is stronger than last season on paper (yes Zambrotta and Thuram). That is where their team was lacking last season a fullback and a cb.


.. ops game is about to start, enjoy the match (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[dst]

Rijkaard isnt the best coach .. Yes I agree, but he isnt the worst either (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

...................................

That applies for Mancini too!

Barcaisnt an important club !! Yes that is true, ONLY reason why they are on the top is because of R10, before him RIvaldo, Ronaldo, Romario, Maradona .. In each of these players respective times at Barca, the team has won something of merit. U get what I'm saying ?!

Okay! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes I am using that lame excuse to praise Rijkaard. Not any manager can push Barca to first place (I mean sure a team of stars does help). But Rijkaard has to be given credit as being a manager isnt just down to playing a certain formation or plaing certain players. It is a tactical approach. Any one here ever played at a club knows what I am talking about. A manager reads the game in a way that we can only come to understand just 15% of it (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Bull. Man, it seems to me like you're some dumb @ss who repeats what he hears. And I know you're NOT one! So don't tell me that managers read the game much more profoundly than we do cause it is certainly not true. Most managers don't know sh!t and Rijkaard is one of them, they've built that wall you describe above so that they get more freedom from us fans... Now if we're talking about Mourinho, Benitez or Hiddink (and some others of course) then yes but please, Rijkaard is NOT in that league!!

We outplayed them in Istanbul and owned them, yes, but they won because of Rafa's tactical awarness. he read the game right and knew when to hit Milan and where !

Of course, I did not say anything different. Still, we lost on penalty shoot-out, we were not humiliated the way Barcelona was.

Barca's team is stronger than last season on paper (yes Zambrotta and Thuram). That is where their team was lacking last season a fullback and a cb.

They never needed a CB. If anything they always needed a new goalie. And it's clear that it has been the defence's fault for every single loss they've had since the beginning of the season! Their defensive tactical movement as a whole is hilarious and I won't bother talking about individual players cause they've all sucked (with the exception of Puyol!)! Did you see them against Real or Sevilla? I nearly died laughing!

[Rossoneri7]

...................................

That applies for Mancini too!

Mancini is on another level .. He doesnt fit anywhere

Bull. Man, it seems to me like you're some dumb @ss who repeats what he hears. And I know you're NOT one! So don't tell me that managers read the game much more profoundly than we do cause it is certainly not true. Most managers don't know sh!t and Rijkaard is one of them, they've built that wall you describe above so that they get more freedom from us fans... Now if we're talking about Mourinho, Benitez or Hiddink (and some others of course) then yes but please, Rijkaard is NOT in that league!!

Okay .. So is that how u see it ?! If so, then I'm heading to Millanelo tomorrow and showing Galliani my CV from CM (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Look, u can come up with whatever idea about me, but one thing is certain .. They dont have coaching schools for nothing. And as a follower of Serie A, u should know first hand that the Manager makes up 1/2 of the team !! Take Roma as an example .. When Capello was there and now Spaletti (spell) ..

Dont be nieve and imposs something outrages. The way a team moves on the pitch is down to the manager !! This is Football 101, not something I made up. If not then this whole game of football would be a skirmish game and pointless to some extent.

Rijkaard ?! I dont think of him as the best of the best, but his mentors (of whom I know) were Sacchi and Capello, so go figure.

of course, I did not say anything different. Still, we lost on penalty shoot-out, we were not humiliated the way Barcelona was.

I never said humiliated, all I said was lost.

p.s. conceeding 3 goals in 6 minutes isnt something that was down to the Liverpool players, at all !

They never needed a CB. If anything they always needed a new goalie.  And it's clear that it has been the defence's fault for every single loss they've had since the beginning of the season! Their defensive tactical movement as a whole is hilarious and I won't bother talking about individual players cause they've all sucked (with the exception of Puyol!)! Did you see them against Real or Sevilla? I nearly died laughing!

They didnt need cbs ?! okay so Puyol, Marquez and who else were their quality cbs ?! They needed another (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Bluesummers]

Seriously guys, who needs Rijkiard when you guys have me. I'll go kick carlo out of his job and next season you'll see me on the bench. First action of management i'd do is buy torres ronaldinho buffon, and sexy spanish/portugeese cheerleaders for the bench.

[dst]

They dont have coaching schools for nothing.

Tell Rijkaard!

The way a team moves on the pitch is down to the manager !!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So how can you say that Rijkaard is a good coach when every little movement Barcelona's players do comes from improvisation!! This is not something I make up as well... their ONLY players who move on the field knowing where to go and what to do next, moving with a tactical mindset are Eto'o and Deco! Nobody else!! I won't even bother talking about the team's defensive functions which are simple non-est!

This is not just me and according to the description you gave to a manager, it means that Rijkaard is far from being a good coach thus far from being able to take over Milan!

Look... I love the man. I've worshiped him on the field, as a player both with Milan and Ajax... In his latter days I've watched him orchestrate his team... have you ever had the chance to watch the CL final between Milan and Ajax?? It was amazing, I've never seen any other player being a maestro in such extent; he waved his hands and the puppets moved accordingly... it is eye-dropping! But off the field it's different... he has never done what he did that night... he proves how big the difference of the inside and the outside is!

I never said humiliated, all I said was lost.

Yes. I said Barcelona were humiliated... unlike Milan!

They didnt need cbs ?! okay so Puyol, Marquez and who else were their quality cbs ?! They needed another (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If they really needed a CB they wouldn't go for Thuram. IMO they wouldn't have bought a CB if it wasn't for Giuve's relegation!

In any case, it doesn't really matter cause they are not stronger with him anyway.