[Portman]

The situation is out of control on the red side of San Siro.

22/09 - Livorno 0-0 Milan - DRAW
26/09 - Lille 0-0 Milan - DRAW
01/10 - Milan 0-0 Siena - DRAW
14/10 - Sampdoria 1-1 Milan - DRAW
22/10 - Milan 0-2 Palermo - LOST
28/10 - Milan 3-4 Inter - LOST
05/11 - Atalanta 2-0 Milan - LOST
11/11 - Milan 1-2 Roma - LOST
18/11 - Empoli 0-0 Milan - DRAW
21/11 - AEK 1-0 Milan - LOST

I mean, what's this? This is "Milan"?

I never thought the things would go this far... well, heads should roll.
Heads MUST roll after all of this vergogna.

[bigmacmtl]

i'm so angry i feel like buying a plan ticket and flying to milan. then start start beating the **** out of management. this is a DISGRACE!!!

The situation is out of control on the red side of San Siro.

22/09 - Livorno 0-0 Milan - DRAW
26/09 - Lille 0-0 Milan - DRAW
01/10 - Milan 0-0 Siena - DRAW
14/10 - Sampdoria 1-1 Milan - DRAW
22/10 - Milan 0-2 Palermo - LOST
28/10 - Milan 3-4 Inter - LOST
05/11 - Atalanta 2-0 Milan - LOST
11/11 - Milan 1-2 Roma - LOST
18/11 - Empoli 0-0 Milan - DRAW
21/11 - AEK 1-0 Milan - LOST

I mean, what's this? This is "Milan"?

I never thought the things would go this far... well, heads should roll.
Heads MUST roll after all of this vergogna.

[I_Rossoneri]

5 points out of a possible 30!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is relegation material (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

I repeat...Ancelotti should now resign... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

if we dont buy this winter i will permanently lose respect for galliani, berlusconi, braida, tec...

I repeat...Ancelotti should now resign... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[mishie]

i respect the fact your upset and frustrated along with many if not all of us but my question to you is this..
what soultions do you have to the problems and what are the problems you can see? i know about the results etc i'm talking the deeper problems what our causing this period of poor results and poor performances?

[agenth]

Heads to roll:
Carlo ancelotti: Unable to do anything, making constant mistakes on formation
Galliani!
Seedorf: Slow, Lazy, always losing ball...
Bonera: never was a summer transfer for me... just go away!
Borriello
Braida, for vacationing in Argentina, doing nothing

[KillerMax]

I repeat...Ancelotti should now resign... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

He should! But I repeat, it's not his fault!!

[Portman]

what soultions do you have to the problems and what are the problems you can see? i know about the results etc i'm talking the deeper problems what our causing this period of poor results and poor performances?

Football = results. When you don't get results, someone should be the responsible. In this situation: Carlo, Galliani, Braida, players (yes... some lazy _sses)...

Milan need a refresh. Not only on the players, but on the staff and in the management of the club/directors.

This post has been edited by Portugal: Nov 21 2006, 11:13 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Seedorf: Slow, Lazy, always losing ball...

Nope, don`t take it out on him! He isn`t the only one from the starting 11 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Bonera: never was a summer transfer for me... just go away!
Borriello

These are "minor creatures"...unimportant and not the time worth. They have nothing to do with the crisis, just that they are on the wrong place in the wrong time (we allways had that kind off players and allways will have, but not with that artificial significance they have now).

[bigmacmtl]

well we can continue to say that but for now we cant FIRE the players. and it is obvious a change must be made right away followed by other changes such as useless players such as boriello,simic... can go to hell and we get STars ( ya we are in such need we good players and not promising players). the problem with the way this team has been run is that we've had the same old guys for so long but that doesnt give time for new young guys to settle in, which sorta forces us to get new established players ( 23-29 years old).quote=pKillerMax,Nov 21 2006, 05:08 PM]
He should! But I repeat, it's not his fault!!

[/quote]

[KillerMax]

i respect the fact your upset and frustrated along with many if not all of us but my question to you is this..
what soultions do you have to the problems and what are the problems you can see? i know about the results etc i'm talking the deeper problems what our causing this period of poor results and poor performances?

Are you kidding? Is that even a real question? What's causing the problems? The 40 year old Costacurta, 38 year old Maldini, 36 year old Cafu, 35 year old Serginho, the always unfit Ambro ( I don't even count him as a Milan player anymore...) Horrible horrible management and their horendous transfer marketing... Not enought depth on the bench... Worn out players with no rest and desire... Weak attack... Having Boriello as our fourth striker. Buying an unfit player as Sheva's replacement.... Losing Stam... Not having enough youth and flare... I mean how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?

Solutions? Transfer some great players ASAP and we'll see what we can do from there until next season...

[agenth]

Seedorf is always lazy!
I heard that he wants to return to Ajax and we could get Snejder or something like that!

Agree, Seedorf is not the only one, but still!!!

[Fillipo Simone]

well we can continue to say that but for now we cant FIRE the players. and it is obvious a change must be made right away followed by other changes such as useless players such as boriello,simic...

I don`t blame Å imić particullary for anything...And it would not be fair to say he is fault for anything...

[Portman]

Are you kidding? Is that even a real question? What's causing the problems? The 40 year old Costacurta, 38 year old Maldini, 36 year old Cafu, 35 year old Serginho, the always unfit Ambro ( I don't even count him as a Milan player anymore...) Horrible horrible management and their horendous transfer marketing... Not enought depth on the bench... Worn out players with no rest and desire... Weak attack... Having Boriello as our fourth striker. Buying an unfit player as Sheva's replacement.... Losing Stam... Not having enough youth and flare... I mean how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?

Solutions? Transfer some great players ASAP and we'll see what we can do from there until next season...

Great post. You did "a Mourinho" now. (Critical mode +on) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

i know this is random and off topic but i needed i a lil tickle during these hard times. but if guys know who George Gillett is, he owns the montreal canadiens (hockey team) and he owns other sporting teams and he wants to takeover liverpool. i thought that was pretty cool. cuz my two worlds; that is my world of hockey and football never mingle.

This post has been edited by bigmacmtl: Nov 21 2006, 11:21 PM

[berenike_10]

Are you kidding? Is that even a real question? What's causing the problems? The 40 year old Costacurta, 38 year old Maldini, 36 year old Cafu, 35 year old Serginho, the always unfit Ambro ( I don't even count him as a Milan player anymore...) Horrible horrible management and their horendous transfer marketing... Not enought depth on the bench... Worn out players with no rest and desire... Weak attack... Having Boriello as our fourth striker. Buying an unfit player as Sheva's replacement.... Losing Stam... Not having enough youth and flare... I mean how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?

Solutions? Transfer some great players ASAP and we'll see what we can do from there until next season...

Great post, but you forgot one thing, the departure of rui costa, the man that lead milan to win the champions league in the 02/03 season.

This post has been edited by berenike_10: Nov 21 2006, 11:25 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

i know this is random and off topic  but i needed i a lil tickle during these hard times. but if guys know who George Gillett is, he owns the montreal canadiens (hockey team) and he owns other sporting teams and he wants to takeover liverpool. i thought that was pretty cool. cuz my two worlds; that is my world of hockey and football never mingle.

Maybe, after this match thinking about hockey seems to be relaxing, for the first time in my life I really consider doing that (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

ur right. i think we underrated rui costa. true he was never the player he was for fiorentina. but he was still a great player for us. and world class SUB, sumthing we lack right now, actually it's sumthing we lack on our starting 11 now.

Great post, but you forgot one thing, the departure of rui costa.

[Rossoneri7]

There definately is a problem ..

Were could I start and where should I end ?!

The problem we have is not with age .. Come on, how is the age affecting our play? The problem is with the lack of depth that we have. We have a top team :

-------Dida

---Nesta--Kaladze

-Cafu-----------Janku

--------Pirlo (Im unsure anymore, after this season.. Id show him the bench)

---Gattuso---Gourcuff

----------Kaka

---Oliviera----Gilardino/Inzaghi

The team on paper looks competitive, and it is competitive .. But the problem is, we have no subs !

The way I see it, is we are in despirate need of fullbacks .. Someone to challenge Pirlo for his starting place !! Kaka needs a sub .. a striker?! I'm still not sure, though our strikers are going through a goal drought.

so 2-3 players would be enough to refresh this squad and put it back to contention.

[mishie]

Are you kidding? Is that even a real question? What's causing the problems? The 40 year old Costacurta, 38 year old Maldini, 36 year old Cafu, 35 year old Serginho, the always unfit Ambro ( I don't even count him as a Milan player anymore...) Horrible horrible management and their horendous transfer marketing... Not enought depth on the bench... Worn out players with no rest and desire... Weak attack... Having Boriello as our fourth striker. Buying an unfit player as Sheva's replacement.... Losing Stam... Not having enough youth and flare... I mean how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?

Solutions? Transfer some great players ASAP and we'll see what we can do from there until next season...

always the transfer market is the soultion isn't it!!!
heres a question for you lot how come we have possibly the best youth and devolpment set-up in europe but hardly ever produce young players that make the prima squadra? aren't these things we should be looking at as well. I KNOW about the ageing players and lack of transfers i'm not stupid i was asking you to look deeper than lets throw millions of €'s at the problem.
if we have youth devolpment programs why aret they producing anything?
surely something is wrong there i know this won't solve are current problems but what i'm saying is the surely the club isn't short-sighted enough to see that the old players were degenerating and should make the effort to produce atleast 1-2 home grown players to fit into the milan system and replace our older great players!!

[KillerMax]

I just imagined something and it was so bitter... Just imagine us finishing 16th or 18th... Oh my... I mean this, I think if this happened... My heart somehow would stop working... And to know all this could be avoided if we acted smarter during the transfer market.......

[mishie]

I just imagined something and it was so bitter... Just imagine us finishing 16th or 18th... Oh my... I mean this, I think if this happened... My heart somehow would stop working... And to know all this could be avoided if we acted smarter during the transfer market.......

imagine being about when we were last relegated then!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

[Fillipo Simone]

I just imagined something and it was so bitter... Just imagine us finishing 16th or 18th... Oh my... I mean this, I think if this happened... My heart somehow would stop working... And to know all this could be avoided if we acted smarter during the transfer market.......

Thats the one thing I`m sure that won`t happen (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[berenike_10]

always the transfer market is the soultion isn't it!!!
heres a question for you lot how come we have possibly the best youth and devolpment set-up in europe but hardly ever produce young players that make the prima squadra? aren't these things we should be looking at as well. I KNOW about the ageing players and lack of transfers i'm not stupid i was asking you to look deeper than lets throw millions of €'s at the problem.
if we have youth devolpment programs why aret they producing anything?
surely something is wrong there i know this won't solve are current problems but what i'm saying is the surely the club isn't short-sighted enough to see that the old players were degenerating and should make the effort to produce atleast 1-2 home grown players to fit into the milan system and replace our older great players!!

i remember one champions league game we had on the bench... and by the way milan won.

*manuel rui costa
*dario simic
*vitor rivaldo
*clarence seedorf
*massimo ambrosini
*jaap stam

do we have at least one sub as valuable as this players mentioned above ???

This post has been edited by berenike_10: Nov 21 2006, 11:31 PM

[mishie]

i remember one champions league game we had on the bench... and by the way milan won.

*manuel rui costa
*dario simic
*vitor rivaldo
*clarence seedorf
*massimo ambrosini
*jaap stam

do we have at least one sub as valuable as this players mentioned above ???

whats that got to do with my question??

[bigmacmtl]

ya the canadiens have been doing good lately( considering their recent standards which arent as high as they sused to be). and for the first time in 15 years the habs are doign better then milan which to be is crazy. normally im pissed off about the habs doing bad and milan with the their usual excellence. anyways maybe this is karma, we've been so good for the past few years maybe we gotta suck a lil to even things out.

Maybe, after this match thinking about hockey seems to be relaxing, for the first time in my life I really consider doing that  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

always the transfer market is the soultion isn't it!!!
heres a question for you lot how come we have possibly the best youth and devolpment set-up in europe but hardly ever produce young players that make the prima squadra? aren't these things we should be looking at as well. I KNOW about the ageing players and lack of transfers i'm not stupid i was asking you to look deeper than lets throw millions of €'s at the problem.
if we have youth devolpment programs why aret they producing anything?
surely something is wrong there i know this won't solve are current problems but what i'm saying is the surely the club isn't short-sighted enough to see that the old players were degenerating and should make the effort to produce atleast 1-2 home grown players to fit into the milan system and replace our older great players!!

Man.. U need to refresh ur insight on things !

Milan would NEVER on GODs green earth bring in a primavera to the first eleven ! That is impossible ! Unless the player is exceptional !

Do u know of any exceptional players ?!

Now u may ask how Billy and Paolo got here ? Simple, that was b4 Silvio's Milan.

[KillerMax]

always the transfer market is the soultion isn't it!!!
heres a question for you lot how come we have possibly the best youth and devolpment set-up in europe but hardly ever produce young players that make the prima squadra? aren't these things we should be looking at as well. I KNOW about the ageing players and lack of transfers i'm not stupid i was asking you to look deeper than lets throw millions of €'s at the problem.
if we have youth devolpment programs why aret they producing anything?
surely something is wrong there i know this won't solve are current problems but what i'm saying is the surely the club isn't short-sighted enough to see that the old players were degenerating and should make the effort to produce atleast 1-2 home grown players to fit into the milan system and replace our older great players!!

So you ask a question to which you already know the answer? Is that some sort of trick to make you look smarter than others?

I really could care less about how many our youth players make it to our squad... We are not Ajax... There will always be a couple players that will make it and that will be enough. My solution is not throwing millions at famous players... We could spend less and still buy great players with great potential. Like Gourcuff. There are so many young and promising players out there that would make great subs! Players who don't necessarily cost that much right now...

[X-Offender]

Let's put it this way: we are doing absoultely crap, it doesn't matter if we hit too many posts or the referees are against us, we are having a horrible period. Solutions? Plenty of them. First of all we should sign AT LEAST 3 quality players in January. A RB is needed, also a heavy forward (at least get Di Natale, he's cheap) and a holding midfielder. With these sigings and the Christmas pause I think we should be ready for the second half of the season. Now, if we don't manage to qualify for the next Champions League, which would be catastrophic, I think heads should roll. The first of all has to be Carlo. I know we keep saying he isn't guilty cause the board didn't provide him a quality bench, but every manager has to keep his responsability. If we don't gain the 3rd or 4th place in May, I think he should resign by himself and not the board to fire him. That way at least he will accept the part of his mistakes. Now, Champions or not, we should REBUILD the team next summer. Simic, Bonera, Costacurta, Cafu, Seedorf and Borriello should all leave, and get YOUNG and QUALITY replacement. Stop it with these cheap and old players, we've had enough. These should be the steps to get out of the crisis in my opinion. For this season let's all rest in peace. We can't win anything, I'm sorry to say it. Let's just hope we gain at least the 4th place.

[berenike_10]

whats that got to do with my question??

nothing.

BTW, the only two clubs that can actully do that , that you see 2-3 players for year, are

*ajax amsterdam
*barcelona fc

-this are the clubs with the best youth camps in the world... sorry , milan is not that kind of club , milan doesn't raise them, thosse clubs do it.

This post has been edited by berenike_10: Nov 21 2006, 11:36 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

Man.. U need to refresh ur insight on things !

Milan would NEVER on GODs green earth bring in a primavera to the first eleven ! That is impossible ! Unless the player is exceptional !

Do u know of any exceptional players ?!

Now u may ask how Billy and Paolo got here ? Simple, that was b4 Silvio's Milan.

Well, maybe they should now...!

[mishie]

Man.. U need to refresh ur insight on things !

Milan would NEVER on GODs green earth bring in a primavera to the first eleven ! That is impossible ! Unless the player is exceptional !

Do u know of any exceptional players ?!

Now u may ask how Billy and Paolo got here ? Simple, that was b4 Silvio's Milan.

thats what i'm saying if the training and devolpment programe is exceptional which it is why can't we produce exceptional players??
no i don't need to refresh my ideas i'm looking at our current situation differently and saying that with good buys and home grown talent we could have avoided this problem.

[berenike_10]

Well, maybe they should now...!

to see results in 2-3 years... nevermind.

[mishie]

to see results in 2-3 years... nevermind.

but players that will last 8-10 years i think they call it INVESTING in the future

[berenike_10]

but players that will last 8-10 years i think they call it INVESTING in the future

i meant that they can do it, when we have a hell of a a team, if with the best 11 now we were not able to win to a crappy team, how do you spect to win to a world class team with 2-3 players with out the experience

This post has been edited by berenike_10: Nov 21 2006, 11:42 PM

[Fillipo Simone]

to see results in 2-3 years... nevermind.

But this is the ideal time to make some experiments...why not? We are starting to loose every single match, we sucked in that looser mentality just like we did with the winniner mentality...What should we do? Boriello, and the other clearly suck, no transfers till January,...why not? At least we`ll be making a attempt to create a difference?

[berenike_10]

But this is the ideal time to make some experiments...why not? We are starting to loose every single match, we sucked in that looser mentality just like we did with the winniner mentality...What should we do? Boriello, and the other clearly suck, no transfers till January,...why not? At least we`ll be making a attempt to create a difference?

wrong, you cannot put to risk next season now,,., not this way i mean, right now we are avoiding relegation.

[I_Rossoneri]

First off all we need some new ideas, take tonight for example, we are 1-0 down chasing the game and what do we do? we play the ball around in our own half. Now, for arguments sake, say that was Manu - it would be a relentless attack to try and score not a defensive style of "if we're going to lose then let's lose 1-0" style of play. there is also the formation, as an example I'll go back to last seasons game against Barca when Ronaldinho wasn't getting any space on his left as Stam was closing him every time - what did Rijkaard do? he moved him and they ended up winning the game from a pass by Ronie, when has carlo ever made a change like that?

Secondly our substitutions are baffling at best, how many times do we get like for like subs when we could go more attacking instead? tonight we did see one good positive sub and that was Billy for Janku. But then carlo didn't fail and took Oli off, who I thought had one of his better games, and bought Borriello on. Now I don't mean to knock Borriello, but if you are looking for goals then you are better looking past him as IMO he's not good enough for Milan.

[Rossoneri7]

Let's put it this way: we are doing absoultely crap, it doesn't matter if we hit too many posts or the referees are against us, we are having a horrible period. Solutions? Plenty of them. First of all we should sign AT LEAST 3 quality players in January. A RB is needed, also a heavy forward (at least get Di Natale, he's cheap) and a holding midfielder. With these sigings and the Christmas pause I think we should be ready for the second half of the season. Now, if we don't manage to qualify for the next Champions League, which would be catastrophic, I think heads should roll. The first of all has to be Carlo. I know we keep saying he isn't guilty cause the board didn't provide him a quality bench, but every manager has to keep his responsability. If we don't gain the 3rd or 4th place in May, I think he should resign by himself and not the board to fire him. That way at least he will accept the part of his mistakes. Now, Champions or not, we should REBUILD the team next summer. Simic, Bonera, Costacurta, Cafu, Seedorf and Borriello should all leave, and get YOUNG and QUALITY replacement. Stop it with these cheap and old players, we've had enough. These should be the steps to get out of the crisis in my opinion. For this season let's all rest in peace. We can't win anything, I'm sorry to say it. Let's just hope we gain at least the 4th place.

Yes we can !

We r 1st in our group, regardless of our tie with Lille ..

Then we have the winter break and transfer session ..

We still can be crowned Champions AGAIN !

This post has been edited by Rossoneri7: Nov 22 2006, 01:28 AM

[mishie]

Yes we can !

We r 1st in our group, regardless of our tie with Lille ..

Then we have the winter break and transfer session ..

We still can be drowned Champions AGAIN !

at last!! someone who shares my optimism (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[KillerMax]

Yes we can !

We r 1st in our group, regardless of our tie with Lille ..

Then we have the winter break and transfer session ..

We still can be drowned Champions AGAIN !

Good point!
Now let's see what the management will do during the January transfer window.

[Rossoneri7]

thats what i'm saying if the training and devolpment programe is exceptional which it is why can't we produce exceptional players??
no i don't need to refresh my ideas i'm looking at our current situation differently and saying that with good buys and home grown talent we could have avoided this problem.

Well .. What good is it to talk about what we could have done ?! It's like saying had I bought stock X yesterday, I'd be a millionaire today ! No significance.

Milan wont put effort in raising youth players, period! Hell, take an example off of Foggia for God's sake .. Milan didnt even give him a chance, even though our squad was thin and he could have had enough time to play !

Only reason Borrielo got the nod was the lack of goals from our strikers !

[Rossoneri7]

at last!! someone who shares my optimism (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ofcourse .. But talking about primavera is kind of vague and it raises my blood pressure .. Pls dont do it again .. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[mishie]

Well .. What good is it to talk about what we could have done ?! It's like saying had I bought stock X yesterday, I'd be a millionaire today ! No significance.

Milan wont put effort in raising youth players, period! Hell, take an example off of Foggia for God's sake .. Milan didnt even give him a chance, even though our squad was thin and he could have had enough time to play !

Only reason Borrielo got the nod was the lack of goals from our strikers !

but like i said earlier in a post without this forward planning it must be a case of short-sightedness by the club
agree?
so it has significance the club should always be planning for the furture even if we are winning everything

[X-Offender]

Yes we can !

We r 1st in our group, regardless of our tie with Lille ..

Then we have the winter break and transfer session ..

We still can be drowned Champions AGAIN !

Well, I admire your optimism and I actually envy you. But I think we'll all get disappoined in the end. This is just not our season.

[Rossoneri7]

but like i said earlier in a post without this forward planning it must be a case of short-sightedness by the club
agree?
so it has significance the club should always be planning for the furture even if we are winning everything

Well .. That is the policy of the club ! I cant interfere with it .. It's a fact that has been proven for the past 20 yrs.

The ONLY thing we can do is look at the options available in the short-term and HOPE to God that we can fix the mess we are in.

[arivanjj]

Paolo for COACH!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[HasanHasanly]

Think he has said several times that he is not going to become a coach...

[X-Offender]

After the match against AEK we have Nesta, Serginho, Favalli, Cafu, Simic, Costacurta and Dida injured, and the only available defenders are Maldini, Bonera and Jankulovski. Good Lord!

[pacang]

gone from bad to worse

[KillerMax]

gone from bad to worse

Or from worst to nightmare...

[dst]

i respect the fact your upset and frustrated along with many if not all of us but my question to you is this..
what soultions do you have to the problems and what are the problems you can see? i know about the results etc i'm talking the deeper problems what our causing this period of poor results and poor performances?

We worship the past too much. You know I love Maldini as much as the next guy but well he should stop, as should Billy, Cafu and just like Seedorf should be benched. This should already have happened two years ago, period! We must stop being so sentimental with our players and quit giving some losers the chance to play for us ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Paolo shall stop, he can't beat time ... noone can !! We MUST start a new era or SINK !!


Go Antonelli !! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) ..................... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[KillerMax]

We worship the past too much. You know I love Maldini as much as the next guy but well he should stop, as should Billy, Cafu and just like Seedorf should be benched. This should already have happened two years ago, period! We must stop being so sentimental with our players and quit giving some losers the chance to play for us ...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Paolo shall stop, he can't beat time ... noone can !! We MUST start a new era or SINK !!
Go Antonelli !!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)   .....................  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I don't have a problem with Maldini staying if he was fit, but he is not and it seems like he can't get fit anymore because of his age... But all the other players, like Cafu, Costacurta, Serginho ((IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ), Fiori and yes even Inzaghi should retire by the end of this season.

[I_Rossoneri]

We worship the past too much. You know I love Maldini as much as the next guy but well he should stop, as should Billy, Cafu and just like Seedorf should be benched. This should already have happened two years ago, period! We must stop being so sentimental with our players and quit giving some losers the chance to play for us ...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Paolo shall stop, he can't beat time ... noone can !! We MUST start a new era or SINK !!
Go Antonelli !!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)   .....................  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Great post (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[dst]

Serginho ((IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) )

that's exactly what I mean ... we all love some (if not all) of them but when they can't do it anymore we should politely show them the door ... "It's better to burn out than to fade away" ....................

[KillerMax]

that's exactly what I mean ... we all love some (if not all) of them but when they can't do it anymore we should politely show them the door ... "It's better to burn out than to fade away" ....................

I forgot to put one of those for Costacurta.... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Costacurta and Serginho (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)


I still believe Maldini should stay for another year if he can find his fitness again. He makes an incredible sub... Even at this age... Seriously, look at him now... He is 38 and very much in pain, yet he is still a worldclass defender... It's simply incredible...

[dst]

He makes an incredible sub...

That's exactly why he should stop !!

These words should never have been spoken ...

[KillerMax]

That's exactly why he should stop !!

These words should never have been spoken ...

I thought you were thinking about the good of the team and not being sentimental... Maldini still has a lot to offer... The impact him and Costcurta have on other players is definitely something special that only Milan has. I don't want them both to retire the same year... First of all it will make it twice as hard for us fans... And also the team still needs one of them until we make sure Nesta will take the torch after they are gone...

This post has been edited by pKillerMax: Nov 23 2006, 02:36 PM

[dst]

I made an exception !! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Maldini should never be considered a sub but the problem is that I think he's holding us back; it's time for this era to end IMO !!

[Rossoneri7]

I thought you were thinking about the good of the team and not being sentimental... Maldini still has a lot to offer... The impact him and Costcurta have on other players is definitely something special that only Milan has. I don't want them both to retire the same year... First of all it will make it twice as hard for us fans... And also the team still needs one of them until we make sure Nesta will take the torch after they are gone...

Which is why they have to hang up their boots at the end of the season. The team has to let go of Maldini (&Costacurta), they are the light of this team yes, but they have to make way for younger players .. This isn't a grave yard, it's the GREATEST club of all time, they will never be forgotten, but that will ONLY be proven when they retiere.

[KillerMax]

Which is why they have to hang up their boots at the end of the season. The team has to let go of Maldini (&Costacurta), they are the light of this team yes, but they have to make way for younger players .. This isn't a grave yard, it's the GREATEST club of all time, they will never be forgotten, but that will ONLY be proven when they retiere.

SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Costacurta and Maldini should be exceptions... Just because I can't even begin to imagine a Milan without them.... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

[MetricMarch]

^^ It's very likely that they will retire this year, especially since I read somewhere that Maldini is still suffering a lot of pain from his knee. I guess I agree that "It's better to burn out than to fade away", but I wanted them (and Il Capitano in particular) to go out in glory, and it sucks that they'll probably retire after this season because with the way things have been going so far..........it might not be a very glorious end at all. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

[dst]

it might not be a very glorious end at all.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)   (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

there's one thing I'm sure of, that when Paolo retires it will be a f@cking endless fiesta for the greatest footballer of all times !!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

[Portman]

10 December 2006. (Milan 0-0 Torino)

Same sh1t, different day.

We don't need new players, we need a new team.

Time to think on avoiding the demotion. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[mishie]

10 December 2006. (Milan 0-0 Torino)

Same sh1t, different day.

We don't need new players, we need a new team.

Time to think on avoiding the demotion. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

yawn!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[bigmacmtl]

by this pt i dint watch tge game i slept in cuz theres a 5 hour diff. so 0-0 with torino... hahahaah thats hilarious. and gila missing a penalty well thats even more funny!. wow this time is a complete joke. they can all go to hell.

[agenth]

What we need... is time. And time is money.
About Carlo. Yes we need to replace him. But not right now, at the end of the Season I think. Yes, thank you for everything, but you're era definitely is over. We need somebody else, who has the creativity, to form a new Milan.
I think we need some january moves, although I have no idea how many.It depends on the quality we look for. If we only buy cheap crappy players, yes we need +3. We should do some january moves, scout talented players... The major changes are due in the summer. And I hope we won't screw them!!!
Galliani... well he really shouldn't be in milan. I appreciate that he's a passionate Milan fan, but nothing more.
We only can hope to endure the Fiorentina game, and than get a notwelldeserved break. In this break we have to rest, get back the injured players, and hopefully the MILAN SPIRIT, which I have been missing in the last few games, or maybe the entire season except some games.
Praying? Pray all if you want, but nobody can help us, except Milan themselves, when they get up their lazy asses, to win a game, in the name of the true Milan spirit & to honour the milan jersey.
Do Nothing? That's not an option we have. Sooner or later something dramatic will happen, if we go on like this (Serie B, no CLspot, several Starplayers signing with other Clubs... and I won't be mad at them)

What we need to do?
We have to face the reality (-26 points from Inter (yes it's very cooollld *brrr*)), which means, that it's impossible to get the Scudetto. What we can reach is the 4th place, a realistic target. I think our squad is somewhat psychological depressed (hitting the posts/bars, draws&losses in the last games). Also we still feel the aftereffect of calciopoli.
CONI didn't cut off our points. Calciopoli pretty much ruined our summer transfer. Some players said, that the -8 motivates them, but I think the opposite happened.
We should face the reality, and Berlusconi/Galliani/Ancelotti, shouldn't act like everythings alright, and giving statements a l a:
"We are milan" "we still are nr.1 in europe" "we don't need january transfers"
We are Milan. So what? In the end it's just a name, not the ability to win a game, which in the end is needed. We shouldn't hang only to the history, we have to look forward for the future, to win games.

I hope I haven't forgot anything major.

[han2503]

Our biggest problem in this whole mess of a season is one thing

It's the players' minds. This is a psycological problem more then anything else. No transfers or injured players returning are going to help our situation.

mchanna, you said something that I totally agree with (not that I disagree with the other stuff you said but this really struck me)

CONI didn't cut off our points. Calciopoli pretty much ruined our summer transfer. Some players said, that the -8 motivates them, but I think the opposite happened.

. This is basically what started the ball rolling. The sh!tty pre-season we had add to that the fact that the calciopoli penalties seem to have taken the breath right out of the player's lungs. And as you said they might have said that it was a motivation but it did the whole opposite. And to continue to add to this, player's coming off the high of winning a WC (which continues to help in the un-motivated department).

And this constant post hitting. Now I know it's not bad luck, I think it's become this big elephant inside the room. And now we are even starting to hit the post from the penalty spot.

There is something defenately wrong. And it's not physical. It's coming from the player's minds.

What will help is Carlo sitting them down and all having a hard talk. Also doesn't the club employ shrinks? I think they should get off their lazy asses and do some work.

Our problem is unmotivation, no belief in our selves what-so-ever and we never show any balls, unless it's already too late

[Rossoneri7]

This is basically what started the ball rolling. The sh!tty pre-season we had add to that the fact that the calciopoli penalties seem to have taken the breath right out of the player's lungs. And as you said they might have said that it was a motivation but it did the whole opposite. And to continue to add to this, player's coming off the high of winning a WC (which continues to help in the un-motivated department).

And this constant post hitting. Now I know it's not bad luck, I think it's become this big elephant inside the room. And now we are even starting to hit the post from the penalty spot.

There is something defenately wrong. And it's not physical. It's coming from the player's minds.

What will help is Carlo sitting them down and all having a hard talk. Also doesn't the club employ shrinks? I think they should get off their lazy asses and do some work.

Our problem is unmotivation, no belief in our selves what-so-ever and we never show any balls, unless it's already too late

han .. It's exactly that .. Plus, this team is playingto it's full potential, it cant give anymore; w/o fullbacks, Carlo's tactics are useless .. Game in - game out, Milan have ZERO width, even when they do, they arent effective. Had we got fullbacks, i.e. Cafu and Sergio on form, Milan would be pounding teams left, right and center !

[han2503]

han .. It's exactly that .. Plus, this team is playingto it's full potential, it cant give anymore; w/o fullbacks, Carlo's tactics are useless .. Game in - game out, Milan have ZERO width, even when they do, they arent effective. Had we got fullbacks, i.e. Cafu and Sergio on form, Milan would be pounding teams left, right and center !

The problem is we don't have the luxury to change tactics and instead of full backs we employ wingers, since we don't have wingers on the team. Our only hope was Foggia and we gave him away to Lazio (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[Rossoneri7]

The problem is we don't have the luxury to change tactics and instead of full backs we employ wingers, since we don't have wingers on the team. Our only hope was Foggia and we gave him away to Lazio  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Foggia !!! R u serious !!! What has he been doing for Lazio this season ?

In anycase, where it'd fullbacks or wings; we dont have them.

Which brings us back to where we r, getting f@cked every single game we play.

[han2503]

Foggia !!! R u serious !!! What has he been doing for Lazio this season ?

In anycase, where it'd fullbacks or wings; we dont have them.

Which brings us back to where we r, getting f@cked every single game we play.

Of course I'm serious!! It's better to have the option of a winger then to not have it at all

And Foggia is only experiancing the difficuilties he's having is because he get's shiped off to a different team every year. It doesn't help with the adjusting that much.

I think that if we'de kep him he would have helped us out.