The situation is out of control on the red side of San Siro.

22/09 - Livorno 0-0 Milan - DRAW
26/09 - Lille 0-0 Milan - DRAW
01/10 - Milan 0-0 Siena - DRAW
14/10 - Sampdoria 1-1 Milan - DRAW
22/10 - Milan 0-2 Palermo - LOST
28/10 - Milan 3-4 Inter - LOST
05/11 - Atalanta 2-0 Milan - LOST
11/11 - Milan 1-2 Roma - LOST
18/11 - Empoli 0-0 Milan - DRAW
21/11 - AEK 1-0 Milan - LOST

I mean, what's this? This is "Milan"?

I never thought the things would go this far... well, heads should roll.
Heads MUST roll after all of this vergogna.

i'm so angry i feel like buying a plan ticket and flying to milan. then start start beating the **** out of management. this is a DISGRACE!!!

5 points out of a possible 30!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is relegation material

I repeat...Ancelotti should now resign...

if we dont buy this winter i will permanently lose respect for galliani, berlusconi, braida, tec...

i respect the fact your upset and frustrated along with many if not all of us but my question to you is this..
what soultions do you have to the problems and what are the problems you can see? i know about the results etc i'm talking the deeper problems what our causing this period of poor results and poor performances?

Heads to roll:
Carlo ancelotti: Unable to do anything, making constant mistakes on formation
Galliani!
Seedorf: Slow, Lazy, always losing ball...
Bonera: never was a summer transfer for me... just go away!
Borriello
Braida, for vacationing in Argentina, doing nothing

He should! But I repeat, it's not his fault!!

Football = results. When you don't get results, someone should be the responsible. In this situation: Carlo, Galliani, Braida, players (yes... some lazy _sses)...

Milan need a refresh. Not only on the players, but on the staff and in the management of the club/directors.

Nope, don`t take it out on him! He isn`t the only one from the starting 11


These are "minor creatures"...unimportant and not the time worth. They have nothing to do with the crisis, just that they are on the wrong place in the wrong time (we allways had that kind off players and allways will have, but not with that artificial significance they have now).

well we can continue to say that but for now we cant FIRE the players. and it is obvious a change must be made right away followed by other changes such as useless players such as boriello,simic... can go to hell and we get STars ( ya we are in such need we good players and not promising players). the problem with the way this team has been run is that we've had the same old guys for so long but that doesnt give time for new young guys to settle in, which sorta forces us to get new established players ( 23-29 years old).quote=pKillerMax,Nov 21 2006, 05:08 PM]
He should! But I repeat, it's not his fault!!

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Are you kidding? Is that even a real question? What's causing the problems? The 40 year old Costacurta, 38 year old Maldini, 36 year old Cafu, 35 year old Serginho, the always unfit Ambro ( I don't even count him as a Milan player anymore...) Horrible horrible management and their horendous transfer marketing... Not enought depth on the bench... Worn out players with no rest and desire... Weak attack... Having Boriello as our fourth striker. Buying an unfit player as Sheva's replacement.... Losing Stam... Not having enough youth and flare... I mean how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?

Solutions? Transfer some great players ASAP and we'll see what we can do from there until next season...

Seedorf is always lazy!
I heard that he wants to return to Ajax and we could get Snejder or something like that!

Agree, Seedorf is not the only one, but still!!!

I don`t blame Å imić particullary for anything...And it would not be fair to say he is fault for anything...

Great post. You did "a Mourinho" now. (Critical mode +on)

i know this is random and off topic but i needed i a lil tickle during these hard times. but if guys know who George Gillett is, he owns the montreal canadiens (hockey team) and he owns other sporting teams and he wants to takeover liverpool. i thought that was pretty cool. cuz my two worlds; that is my world of hockey and football never mingle.

Great post, but you forgot one thing, the departure of rui costa, the man that lead milan to win the champions league in the 02/03 season.

Maybe, after this match thinking about hockey seems to be relaxing, for the first time in my life I really consider doing that

ur right. i think we underrated rui costa. true he was never the player he was for fiorentina. but he was still a great player for us. and world class SUB, sumthing we lack right now, actually it's sumthing we lack on our starting 11 now.

There definately is a problem ..

Were could I start and where should I end ?!

The problem we have is not with age .. Come on, how is the age affecting our play? The problem is with the lack of depth that we have. We have a top team :

-------Dida

---Nesta--Kaladze

-Cafu-----------Janku

--------Pirlo (Im unsure anymore, after this season.. Id show him the bench)

---Gattuso---Gourcuff

----------Kaka

---Oliviera----Gilardino/Inzaghi

The team on paper looks competitive, and it is competitive .. But the problem is, we have no subs !

The way I see it, is we are in despirate need of fullbacks .. Someone to challenge Pirlo for his starting place !! Kaka needs a sub .. a striker?! I'm still not sure, though our strikers are going through a goal drought.

so 2-3 players would be enough to refresh this squad and put it back to contention.

always the transfer market is the soultion isn't it!!!
heres a question for you lot how come we have possibly the best youth and devolpment set-up in europe but hardly ever produce young players that make the prima squadra? aren't these things we should be looking at as well. I KNOW about the ageing players and lack of transfers i'm not stupid i was asking you to look deeper than lets throw millions of €'s at the problem.
if we have youth devolpment programs why aret they producing anything?
surely something is wrong there i know this won't solve are current problems but what i'm saying is the surely the club isn't short-sighted enough to see that the old players were degenerating and should make the effort to produce atleast 1-2 home grown players to fit into the milan system and replace our older great players!!

I just imagined something and it was so bitter... Just imagine us finishing 16th or 18th... Oh my... I mean this, I think if this happened... My heart somehow would stop working... And to know all this could be avoided if we acted smarter during the transfer market.......

imagine being about when we were last relegated then!!

Thats the one thing I`m sure that won`t happen

i remember one champions league game we had on the bench... and by the way milan won.

*manuel rui costa
*dario simic
*vitor rivaldo
*clarence seedorf
*massimo ambrosini
*jaap stam

do we have at least one sub as valuable as this players mentioned above ???

whats that got to do with my question??

ya the canadiens have been doing good lately( considering their recent standards which arent as high as they sused to be). and for the first time in 15 years the habs are doign better then milan which to be is crazy. normally im pissed off about the habs doing bad and milan with the their usual excellence. anyways maybe this is karma, we've been so good for the past few years maybe we gotta suck a lil to even things out.

Man.. U need to refresh ur insight on things !

Milan would NEVER on GODs green earth bring in a primavera to the first eleven ! That is impossible ! Unless the player is exceptional !

Do u know of any exceptional players ?!

Now u may ask how Billy and Paolo got here ? Simple, that was b4 Silvio's Milan.

So you ask a question to which you already know the answer? Is that some sort of trick to make you look smarter than others?

I really could care less about how many our youth players make it to our squad... We are not Ajax... There will always be a couple players that will make it and that will be enough. My solution is not throwing millions at famous players... We could spend less and still buy great players with great potential. Like Gourcuff. There are so many young and promising players out there that would make great subs! Players who don't necessarily cost that much right now...

Let's put it this way: we are doing absoultely crap, it doesn't matter if we hit too many posts or the referees are against us, we are having a horrible period. Solutions? Plenty of them. First of all we should sign AT LEAST 3 quality players in January. A RB is needed, also a heavy forward (at least get Di Natale, he's cheap) and a holding midfielder. With these sigings and the Christmas pause I think we should be ready for the second half of the season. Now, if we don't manage to qualify for the next Champions League, which would be catastrophic, I think heads should roll. The first of all has to be Carlo. I know we keep saying he isn't guilty cause the board didn't provide him a quality bench, but every manager has to keep his responsability. If we don't gain the 3rd or 4th place in May, I think he should resign by himself and not the board to fire him. That way at least he will accept the part of his mistakes. Now, Champions or not, we should REBUILD the team next summer. Simic, Bonera, Costacurta, Cafu, Seedorf and Borriello should all leave, and get YOUNG and QUALITY replacement. Stop it with these cheap and old players, we've had enough. These should be the steps to get out of the crisis in my opinion. For this season let's all rest in peace. We can't win anything, I'm sorry to say it. Let's just hope we gain at least the 4th place.

nothing.

BTW, the only two clubs that can actully do that , that you see 2-3 players for year, are

*ajax amsterdam
*barcelona fc

-this are the clubs with the best youth camps in the world... sorry , milan is not that kind of club , milan doesn't raise them, thosse clubs do it.

Well, maybe they should now...!

thats what i'm saying if the training and devolpment programe is exceptional which it is why can't we produce exceptional players??
no i don't need to refresh my ideas i'm looking at our current situation differently and saying that with good buys and home grown talent we could have avoided this problem.

to see results in 2-3 years... nevermind.

but players that will last 8-10 years i think they call it INVESTING in the future

i meant that they can do it, when we have a hell of a a team, if with the best 11 now we were not able to win to a crappy team, how do you spect to win to a world class team with 2-3 players with out the experience

But this is the ideal time to make some experiments...why not? We are starting to loose every single match, we sucked in that looser mentality just like we did with the winniner mentality...What should we do? Boriello, and the other clearly suck, no transfers till January,...why not? At least we`ll be making a attempt to create a difference?

wrong, you cannot put to risk next season now,,., not this way i mean, right now we are avoiding relegation.

First off all we need some new ideas, take tonight for example, we are 1-0 down chasing the game and what do we do? we play the ball around in our own half. Now, for arguments sake, say that was Manu - it would be a relentless attack to try and score not a defensive style of "if we're going to lose then let's lose 1-0" style of play. there is also the formation, as an example I'll go back to last seasons game against Barca when Ronaldinho wasn't getting any space on his left as Stam was closing him every time - what did Rijkaard do? he moved him and they ended up winning the game from a pass by Ronie, when has carlo ever made a change like that?

Secondly our substitutions are baffling at best, how many times do we get like for like subs when we could go more attacking instead? tonight we did see one good positive sub and that was Billy for Janku. But then carlo didn't fail and took Oli off, who I thought had one of his better games, and bought Borriello on. Now I don't mean to knock Borriello, but if you are looking for goals then you are better looking past him as IMO he's not good enough for Milan.

Yes we can !

We r 1st in our group, regardless of our tie with Lille ..

Then we have the winter break and transfer session ..

We still can be crowned Champions AGAIN !

at last!! someone who shares my optimism

Good point!
Now let's see what the management will do during the January transfer window.

Well .. What good is it to talk about what we could have done ?! It's like saying had I bought stock X yesterday, I'd be a millionaire today ! No significance.

Milan wont put effort in raising youth players, period! Hell, take an example off of Foggia for God's sake .. Milan didnt even give him a chance, even though our squad was thin and he could have had enough time to play !

Only reason Borrielo got the nod was the lack of goals from our strikers !

Ofcourse .. But talking about primavera is kind of vague and it raises my blood pressure .. Pls dont do it again ..

but like i said earlier in a post without this forward planning it must be a case of short-sightedness by the club
agree?
so it has significance the club should always be planning for the furture even if we are winning everything

Well, I admire your optimism and I actually envy you. But I think we'll all get disappoined in the end. This is just not our season.

Well .. That is the policy of the club ! I cant interfere with it .. It's a fact that has been proven for the past 20 yrs.

The ONLY thing we can do is look at the options available in the short-term and HOPE to God that we can fix the mess we are in.

Paolo for COACH!!!!!

Think he has said several times that he is not going to become a coach...

After the match against AEK we have Nesta, Serginho, Favalli, Cafu, Simic, Costacurta and Dida injured, and the only available defenders are Maldini, Bonera and Jankulovski. Good Lord!