[arivanjj]

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/31/Lega_Calcio.png/200px-Lega_Calcio.png)

(IMG:http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6582/milangp4.png) vs (IMG:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9896/chievovq2.png)

another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

[KillerMax]

Damn it, I took too long.

For what it's worth, here is table:


Serie A Table:

CODE

Inter      24
Milan      23     
Napoli     23     
Lazio      22     
Udinese    21     
Juventus   21     
Genoa      20     
Fiorentina 20     
Catania    18     
Palermo    16
Atalanta   14     
Siena      12     
Lecce      12     
Torino     11         
Sampdoria  10
Roma       8     
Bologna    7     
Chievo     6     
Reggina    5

[Darunia]

Pato + Borriello/Inzaghi should start these types of games. Bring Ronnie with 30 min to go if needed.

This post has been edited by Darunia: Nov 10 2008, 06:01 AM

[Tennie]

Two striker formation for this one please. I'd rest Kaka based on yesterday's performance, and would start Ronaldinho.

[Zed.D]

I can't choose between Kaka and Ronaldinho... both were awful. but I think overall Kaka was more involved in the game..

Since Carlo's ideas of playing the Christmas tree against Lecce turned out to be useless [as usual], he will play with two strikers in this one, only to switch back to the Christmas tree in the next games again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

They've always said, league is won against smaller teams not big team. we're dropping points exactly against these teams.

Carlo has a very wrong idea about the league games. he thinks these are CL matches. starts most of them with lots of midfielders and only one striker... no wonder, except for one season, he has always been a loser in the league. he's one of those coaches who come very close to winning the league but because of lacking that extra bit of courage always lose out.

[dst]

Kaka should be benched. In my view, Borriello should be there again next to Pato this time.

We're below Inter and they've had a tougher program so far! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

another relegation team get their chance to climb up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)

[dst]

Carlo has a very wrong idea about the league games. he thinks these are CL matches. starts most of them with lots of midfielders and only one striker... no wonder, except for one season, he has always been a loser in the league. he's one of those coaches who come very close to winning the league but because of lacking that extra bit of courage always lose out.

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

This post has been edited by dst: Nov 10 2008, 12:34 PM

[Zed.D]

What is this Kaka should be benched. you know better than anyone that Carlo doesn't bench Kaka... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

Just look at his profile. always second-best in the league. two times with Juve. once with Parma. twice with Milan...
We may be only 1 point short of the top but we haven't been convincing AT ALL except for 1 game - lazio - out of 11 games imo. two controversial penalties and lucky Ronaldinho goal (not to mention our offside derby goal) etc. etc. and a bunch of hard fought 1-0 or 2-1's wins.

I rate Carlo highly: a coach who has proved himself in Europe. that's it. I don't see anything praisable in Carlo's league performances. 1 decade in two top teams and only one Scudetto... no big deal.

[Il Diavolo]

Wouldn't it be interesting if we play both Kaka and Ronaldinho AND two strikers? No Seedorf or even better - yes Seedorf + one defensive midfielder, probably Gattuso. There were times when Gattuso was our only midfielder with defensive duties only and we were like... the champions of Europe. Of course, we need Pirlo, but I don't think it's risky to play with 4 potential strikers, 2 of which play as attacking midfielders. Seedorf wasn't any better than Ricky last night. He was good in the first games, but not anymore. The only reason for Kaka not to play, is the break for national duties /friendly matches this time - so pointless!/.

And our two strikers should be Sheva and Borriello. I have a good feeling that they might become something. Pato is just lacking the final touch as he's slowly getting used to Serie A football, while Pippo is more of a "golden sub".

The fans deserve a convincing victory. Something like 4:0 or even 5:0, because Chievo are a disaster so far. Too bad we play in the afternoon. We always suck at San Siro when the sun shines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I disagree about Carlo being a loser. We deserved to win the league in 2005 and 2006. Ah, well, they gave it to Inter anyway, but in both seasons, Milan played with imagination, scored a lot of goals and only luck tooks the first place away from us. Remember how we scored 85 goald in 38 matches? Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality". The past two seasons, it was all about Champios League and I can't really blame Carlo for his failiure to fight for the Scudetto. Our selection was horrible. No forwards, no defenders, degrading Dida, no alternative for Pirlo. It was hard.

[acid911]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Zed.D]

Carlo's defensive thoughts are so obvious that I don't even see the need to argue about it...

Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality".

I'm not sure whether this is a reply to what I said, but if it was I have to say I didn't say 'loser mentality'. I just said loser in the league since he usually finished second in the league. and it's not just about those two seasons...

He's a great coach in knockout games as his Christmas tree works good there, but in the league it's different and it is proven many times that it takes different approaches to beat teams in Italian league...

[han2503]

Excuse me but while I don't rate Carletto that high, I still think he's done very well in the league considering he only lost the league in '05 and '06 because Juventus were cheating with offside goals and retakes of penalties! Whoever has watched those two tournaments from start to finish can tell that gifted points were what gave them the Scudetto.

I think after these two losses he's gone crazy, I can find no other explanation why anyone would field Emerson let alone ask for him to be signed.

Agreed, zd, I understand your frustrations with Carlo because I share them, believe me I do. But all these defensive close minded tactics started exactly the season that Sheva left in. When Sheva was here before we ALWAYS played with 2 strikers 3 no 10s and a defensive mid. Even when we played the xmas tree in our Scudetto winning season it was always, Rui, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo and Rino behind Sheva. Never did he use both Ambro and Rino together. And back then the xmas tree was considered just as offensive as the usual 4-3-1-2.

It's only when Sheva left that he reverted to his old style of football that he used to deploy at Juve, the type of football that labeled him the 'Almost Man'

Carlo at Milan didn't even try to be defensive because if he would Silvio would lash out at him in the media demanding 'beautiful football'.

Like dst said, we deserved the 05 and 06 Scudettos based on merits and the quality of football we displayed, back then we rivaled Barca as one of the best attacking teams in Europe.

dst got it right, Carlo went crazy, simple as that. And after this season we should replace him either with Spalletti or Rijkaard or even Prandelli

I disagree about Carlo being a loser. We deserved to win the league in 2005 and 2006. Ah, well, they gave it to Inter anyway, but in both seasons, Milan played with imagination, scored a lot of goals and only luck tooks the first place away from us. Remember how we scored 85 goald in 38 matches? Not bad for a "defensive coach" with "loser mentality". The past two seasons, it was all about Champios League and I can't really blame Carlo for his failiure to fight for the Scudetto. Our selection was horrible. No forwards, no defenders, degrading Dida, no alternative for Pirlo. It was hard.

Like I said above, Carlo didn't have the so called 'loser mantelity' a couple of seasons ago, we always went out with our most attacking lineup and with the aim to score goals. It's these past 2 seasons (3 including this one) that Carlo has reverted back to his old ways. He's close minded, afraid to stray away from his comfortable zone of first 11 and tactics and too afraid to make neccissary changes in matches, while waiting too long to make subs. And I'm not even going to get into the subs he makes (like for like, putting in Brocchi or Puma ahead of Yoann and so on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 07:21 PM

[Zed.D]

Great post han. I know what you say about Milan pre-Calciopoli. and I agree problems started with Sheva's departure too. but why is Carlo still continuing playing with 1 striker when he has Sheva, Pato, Pippo, Borriello at his disposal? why he continues to field at least 2 DMs against relegation battling teams? etc etc.

I thought this season we'd see no more of this system but I was totally wrong. because the problem was not the squad and lack of attackers. the problem was Carlo.

dst got it right, Carlo went crazy, simple as that.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) can't disagree.

[Tennie]

Today was a rest day for the players, so no real news to report.

For what it's worth, here's Gazzetta's early projected lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Seedorf Flamini
Kakà Ronaldinho
Borriello

[Zed.D]

Today was a rest day for the players, so no real news to report.

For what it's worth, here's Gazzetta's early projected lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Seedorf Flamini
Kakà Ronaldinho
Borriello

HOW DARE THEY (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif)

[han2503]

Great post han. I know what you say about Milan pre-Calciopoli. and I agree problems started with Sheva's departure too. but why is Carlo still continuing playing with 1 striker when he has Sheva, Pato, Pippo, Borriello at his disposal? why he continues to field at least 2 DMs against relegation battling teams? etc etc.

I thought this season we'd see no more of this system but I was totally wrong. because the problem was not the squad and lack of attackers. the problem was Carlo.

Because we won the CL while playing it (apperantly he forgets that we were a disgrace in the league that season) so he has an excuse now that it's a great system that won us a big competition.

This is how Carlo's brain works. Look at the line ups he plays. (Not talking about his 'untouchables' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) but if someone scores a goal he gets to play in the next game if he doesn't then he's on the bench. Goal.com's writers who make the player ratings after the matches probably take more notice of the overall performance then he does.

I was a big fan of Ambro in his early days at Milan and even when the proposed Pirlo role was thrown out there back then I objected to it because I considered Ambro a genius that cannot be replaced in the squad, but now I think Carlo has pushed me to dislike the player because of the way he is used.

HOW DARE THEY (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif) (IMG:http://qsmile.com/qsimages/49.gif)

They might have finally figured out how predictable Carlo is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 08:03 PM

[acid911]

Today was a rest day for the players, so no real news to report.

For what it's worth, here's Gazzetta's early projected lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Gattuso Seedorf Flamini
Kakà Ronaldinho
Borriello

No Paolo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) What's wrong with this coach?

They might have finally figured out how predictable Carlo is

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Took them a while then, huh?!

[Tennie]

With all due respect to the Carlo-haters, the players are not totally without blame here.

As for the projected lineup, the one printed in Gazzetta usually changes several times over the week as training and other news filters out.

[Rossoneri7]

Because we won the CL while playing it (apperantly he forgets that we were a disgrace in the league that season) so he has an excuse now that it's a great system that won us a big competition.

Or it could be that its the best way to play, considering he needs to accommodate Dinho, who plays better when he starts out to the left 30 yards from goal. But then again, what does the idiot know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[Zed.D]

Yeah insult people. it doesn't make you look any wiser.

(No need for this zd, r7 wasn't insulting anyone) Max

[Tennie]

Let's please keep things polite.

[han2503]

Or it could be that its the best way to play, considering he needs to accommodate Dinho, who plays better when he starts out to the left 30 yards from goal. But then again, what does the idiot know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

He can accomodate Ronaldinho even if we don't use the 2nd DM. This has nothing to do with Dinho, he's suddenly turning into the scapegoat for using the xmas tree with 2 DMs? We have been using this same system for the past 2 seasons now and I don't recall Dinho being a part of the team then... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

As for 'the best way to play' bit, 2 seasons of fighting for 4th spot in the league (with one of them coming out unsuccessful) while using the 2 DMs should be your answer to that.

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 09:14 PM

[Tennie]

so you'd have 1 dm in front of a Bonera-Favalli CB partnership, han? That'd make me more than a little nervous even if it IS an in-form Gattuso.

As for the rest of it, could someone please wake me up when it's again permissible to say anything at all positive about the head coach of AC Milan?

[acid911]

As for the rest of it, could someone please wake me up when it's again permissible to say anything at all positive about the head coach of AC Milan?

I think that time would be now, Tennie. So wakey, wakey! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including you. So of course, if you have anything good to say about Carlo feel free to chip in and move the discussion forward.

[han2503]

so you'd have 1 dm in front of a Bonera-Favalli CB partnership, han? That'd make me more than a little nervous even if it IS an in-form Gattuso.

As for the rest of it, could someone please wake me up when it's again permissible to say anything at all positive about the head coach of AC Milan?

Well since we've still managed to conceed while playing THREE DMs I'd say we should try it. Like I've probably said a million times. more Defensive mids does not automatically mean better defence. Both Seedorf and Pirlo in there will be better at contolling the tempo while Rino is doing the dirty work. There are teams that don't even play a pure DM, Chelsea play Mikeal, who is more of a creative central mid (sort of like Seedorf), While Man U play Carrick and Anderson in the middle. And they play in a much more attacking league while we play against the Cagliari's and Lecce's and go out with 2 DMs. I would be ok if we use the tactic in big games, especially against teams that use wingers since it works like a charm in that scenario, but when it comes to playing it against these teams... I'm sorry but the reason we're losing points against these teams is because of this system that Carlo uses as a security blanket

I don't understand where all this idolisation if the 2 DMs comes from since we;ve traditionally played better with just one under Carlo, even if the defence is weaker then it was back then, we still managed to hold the apponents from even coming near our box before, now we allow at least 5 golden opportunities to the opposition in every match. If we had the control in midfield like we used to do these chances wouldn't be so frequent.

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 09:35 PM

[Zed.D]

acid dat gif foto in yor sig iz on my nerv!!

[han2503]

acid dat gif foto in yor sig iz on my nerv!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/yay.gif) Yesss!! Fight the power!!!!

[Tennie]

I think that time would be now, Tennie. So wakey, wakey! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including you. So of course, if you have anything good to say about Carlo feel free to chip in and move the discussion forward.

I'm not too sure I'm in the mood to be pilloried for trying to defend the coach right now, acid. Seems a number of people are quite clear about their dislike for the man. If minds are that made up, there seems little point in attempting a dialog. I'll leave folks to it and content myself with translating and moderating.

[Zed.D]

Well since we've still managed to conceed while playing THREE DMs I'd say we should try it. Like I've probably said a million times. more Defensive mids does not automatically mean better defence. Both Seedorf and Pirlo in there will be better at contolling the tempo while Rino is doing the dirty work. There are teams that don't even play a pure DM, Chelsea play Mikeal, who is more of a creative central mid (sort of like Seedorf), While Man U play Carrick and Anderson in the middle. And they play in a much more attacking league while we play against the Cagliari's and Lecce's and go out with 2 DMs. I would be ok if we use the tactic in big games, especially against teams that use wingers since it works like a charm in that scenario, but when it comes to playing it against these teams... I'm sorry but the reason we're losing points against these teams is because of this system that Carlo uses as a security blanket

+1

I don't know how to thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

[acid911]

acid dat gif foto in yor sig iz on my nerv!!

It'll be here through the week, thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Or unless, Mike raises my signature image limits as I want to put 3 or more sidebars as a signature. But yeah, I've queued my next signature image, will change it after our next match.

[han2503]

I'm not too sure I'm in the mood to be pilloried for trying to defend the coach right now, acid. Seems a number of people are quite clear about their dislike for the man. If minds are that made up, there seems little point in attempting a dialog. I'll leave folks to it and content myself with translating and moderating.

Oh come on Tennie say what you feel.

I promise, me and zd won't say a word regarding Carlo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

It's not that we hate him, it's that we hate his decisions, which imo are harming the team atm. I've got another 2 guys in my class that are big Milan fans, and I'm not even going to try to translate the profanities that were hurld towards Carlo in Maltese this morning. So it's not just some that are on here that feel aggrevated by Carlo's decisions. I think everyone is getting fed up by him now

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 10 2008, 09:43 PM

[han2503]

+1

I don't know how to thank you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

A couple of Tennie's cookies? Because I get the feeling she's about to take some of mine away (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

And I see her Fishdoll eyeing up my penguins (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Darunia]

I'd like to see this lineup:

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
Flamini Gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Borriello Pato


Just because Ronnie is scoring goals doesn't mean his performances are great. Kaka has to start because he adds some pace to our attack, while Ronnie and Seedorf only know how to walk. Pato should definitely start, he demonstrated his quality immediately against Lecce. If the game is still tied at HT and we haven't created much, then bring on Ronnie for Flamini or Seedorf. Give Pato 90 minutes for once...

[KillerMax]

I'm not too sure I'm in the mood to be pilloried for trying to defend the coach right now, acid. Seems a number of people are quite clear about their dislike for the man. If minds are that made up, there seems little point in attempting a dialog. I'll leave folks to it and content myself with translating and moderating.

Well, you don't like Gourcuff and your mind is made up too. So we are not really that different. Just difference in opinion.

[Tennie]

Same argument, Max. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Many people seem convinced Ancelotti is a Bad Coach because he didn't give Gourcuff a chance. I'm not interested in being beaten up over that aspect of the argument either.

[gal_kenny]

With Ronnie Scoring now maybe we should try

--------------------Abbiati
---Zambrotta Bonera Kaladze Jankulovski
-----------Flamini Gattuso Seedorf
---------------------Kaka
--------------Pato----Ronaldinho

We could see the connection between pato and Ronnie so maybe we should try it like this rather than 4-3-2-1

[Tennie]

Today's training has taken place.

The Brazilians didn't take part at all as they were guests of Belrusconi for his reception for the visiting president of Brazil.

The training was standard: warmups, drills, practice games.

Individuals of note: Senderos did some work on the pitch and some in the gym. Both Il Capitano and Ambrosini worked in the gym.

Tomorrow there will be 2 training sessions.

[Zed.D]

The meeting.

Pato feeling like a million dollars (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/us7ke7xdgs26ur6hyqmh.jpg)

[acid911]

Good snap. Though I will use PhotoShop to edit Emerson out of the photo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif) Don't ask!

[MizNelson]

(IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/us7ke7xdgs26ur6hyqmh.jpg)

LOL! Lula's looking at Dida like, "Who the hell are you?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[KillerMax]

Kaka is such a dork...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Ry4n]

haha is it me or does Ronnie look like Chris Rock , they have a similar cheeky smile (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

http://assets.mog.com/pictures/wikipedia/1.../Chris_rock.jpg

This post has been edited by rhy_A4: Nov 12 2008, 05:06 AM

[acid911]

haha is it me or does Ronnie look like Chris Rock , they have a similar cheeky smile

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) No, it's certainly not you. They look similar when smiling.

Yesss!! Fight the power!!!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Since you're so desperate for war, be aware that I've got Tennie and Miz on my side, ready to correct your every English mistake. You may have zd, but your pirate friend's seems like he got lost in open sea.

[han2503]

The meeting.

Pato feeling like a million dollars (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/us7ke7xdgs26ur6hyqmh.jpg)

Kaka looks like the preppy school boy from some cheap cheak flick. That hair with the side parting finishes off the look (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

LOL! Lula's looking at Dida like, "Who the hell are you?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think he's wondering where his body ends. Such a height difference there

Kaka is such a dork...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Since you're so desperate for war, be aware that I've got Tennie and Miz on my side, ready to correct your every English mistake. You may have zd, but your pirate friend's seems like he got lost in open sea.

I think there's another one of those grammatical errors there. You need to watch out for those acid if you want to keep your place on the good side of the grammatical spectrum

[Zed.D]

Kaka looks like the preppy school boy from some cheap cheak flick. That hair with the side parting finishes off the look (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

(IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/pd0au6bcsar7rx95wv9x.gif) (IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/pd0au6bcsar7rx95wv9x.gif)

[Tennie]

Morning training has taken place. Lots of specific work today.

After warmups the team divided into groups.

Pirlo, Ambrosini, Maldini e Jankulovski ran 100x100 meters.
Senderos, Seedorf e Kaladze ran 50x50 meters.
Zambrotta e Bonera worked on changing direction.
Favalli, Emerson, Dida, Pato e Ronaldinho worked in the Sand Pit Of Doom.
Shevchenko e Cardacio ran in the woods (there's a small forest on the grounds at Milanello).
Abbiati worked with goalkeeping coach Villiam Vecchi.
Flamini, Kakà e Gattuso worked on changing rhythm.
Inzaghi worked in the gym.

There will be another training session later today.

[Tennie]

Afternoon training has taken place.

After warmups, there were ball possessioin drills. Following this, the team divided up into 3 groups for more ball possession drills (a sort of 3-way keep away game as I understood it). Finally, there was a practice game with Abbiati and Dida in goal.

Senderos followed the entire training session with the team.

Tomorrow, there will be one training session.

[MizNelson]

Kaka looks like the preppy school boy from some cheap cheak flick. That hair with the side parting finishes off the look (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
I think there's another one of those grammatical errors there. You need to watch out for those acid if you want to keep your place on the good side of the grammatical spectrum

Kaka looks like a Brazilian Ferris Bueller.

Spelling Wars continued: What's a cheak flick, han? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Tennie]

Are you really sure you want to know, Miz? Maltese can be scary! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[MizNelson]

Are you really sure you want to know, Miz? Maltese can be scary! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Maybe it's Maltese for "porno"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[acid911]

Kaka looks like a Brazilian Ferris Bueller.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So true, Miz.

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca/Ferrisdayoff.jpg)

Spelling Wars continued: What's a cheak flick, han?

They never learn! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Darn, I hate people who think they're better than the language! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[acid911]

Maybe it's Maltese for "porno"?

Maybe it does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But I'll never know as I only have one Maltese friend, and that's han. There isn't even an English Maltese dictionary available online.

[Tennie]

So, the Italian press thinks Pirlo will at least be on the bench for this game and that he may play a few minutes.

The speculation has begun as to who will be benched when he IS back full time.

[han2503]

Spelling Wars continued: What's a cheak flick, han? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's a movie about a person's cheak. So there, that wasn't a grammar mistake on my part, just you jumping to conclusions

Maybe it's Maltese for "porno"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) We don't really have a word for porno (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Maybe it does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) But I'll never know as I only have one Maltese friend, and that's han. There isn't even an English Maltese dictionary available online.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) We try to keep the mystery in our language that's why we don't ship off dictionaries (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

So, the Italian press thinks Pirlo will at least be on the bench for this game and that he may play a few minutes.

The speculation has begun as to who will be benched when he IS back full time.

Hopefully it's Ambro. Who are the Italian media leaning towards in the battle of the mids?

[kurtsimonw]

Hopefully it's Ambro.

Nooooo! Not Ambro! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

[Zed.D]

Nooooo! Not Ambro! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Don't worry. under Carlo all of the midfield old guards will be kept satisfied. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

After Pirlo returns, I'm ready to bet, we won't play with more than 1 striker, we might even play parts of the games with no real striker at all. Carlo has a history of doing that.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Nov 13 2008, 12:33 PM

[han2503]

Don't worry. under Carlo all of the midfield old guards will be kept satisfied. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

After Pirlo returns, I'm ready to bet, we won't play with more than 1 striker, we might even play parts of the games with no real striker at all. Carlo has a history of doing that.

Well we're only playing with 1 striker now and there is no Pirlo. I don't have any issues if we continue with the xmas tree but only if Ambro is the one to make way and not Seedorf.

@ kurt, I know you love Ambro but he's been in terrible form this season and he's ruining what little game we have right now. I would take Flamini over him any day of the week

[Tennie]

Today's training has taken place.

After warmups the team was divided into groups.

Ronaldinho, Pato, Shevchenko, Emerson played calcio-tennis against Filippo Galli, Kaladze, Gattuso and Zambrotta. After a time, Filippo Galli and Zambrotta were subbed out for Senderos and Flamini.

Darminan, Favalli, Antonini, Maldini, Viudez, Pirlo and Jankulovski ran a course (with the little cones) at midfield.

Seedorf, Kalac, Ambrosini, Kakà and Borriello trained in the gym where they were joined by Bonera, Cardacio and Inzaghi after warmups.

Dida and Abbiati trained with the goalkeeping coach Villiam Vecchi.

[acid911]

We don't really have a word for porno

Wow! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) The simple people of Malta.

We try to keep the mystery in our language that's why we don't ship off dictionaries

If it's one thing I can't stand, it's civilizations who don't ship off dictionaries. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Think you're too smart, huh?

[acid911]

Well we're only playing with 1 striker now and there is no Pirlo. I don't have any issues if we continue with the xmas tree but only if Ambro is the one to make way and not Seedorf.

Looks like it'll be this way.

@ kurt, I know you love Ambro but he's been in terrible form this season and he's ruining what little game we have right now. I would take Flamini over him any day of the week

One reason why Ambro's been terrible is because of the good form of Gattuso. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'll take Flamini too!

[han2503]

Wow! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) The simple people of Malta.

If it's one thing I can't stand, it's civilizations who don't ship off dictionaries. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Think you're too smart, huh?

Well we don't have a lot of words for certain objects, for example a computer, a refrigerator, etc... And many other words that we just use the English term for.

Yes we are too smart for you lot, you would never be able to handle the Maltese language. Such simpletons!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

One reason why Ambro's been terrible is because of the good form of Gattuso. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I'll take Flamini too!

If you were to offer me Rino in top form and Ambro in top form, Rino would always win my vote

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 13 2008, 07:18 PM

[acid911]

Yes we are too smart for you lot, you would never be able to handle the Maltese language. Such simpletons!!!!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If you were to offer me Rino in top form and Ambro in top form, Rino would always win my vote

Unless it's about heading in a goal in the 89th minute. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In that case I'll take Ambro. Rino can't score if his life depended on it, I can't believe how he got seven goals for Milan. It's one of the great mysteries of this world.

[han2503]

Unless it's about heading in a goal in the 89th minute. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In that case I'll take Ambro. Rino can't score if his life depended on it, I can't believe how he got seven goals for Milan. It's one of the great mysteries of this world.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yeah but in his overall game Ambro does not even come close in terms of comtribution to the team

[acid911]

Yeah but in his overall game Ambro does not even come close in terms of comtribution to the team

He comtributes more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Of course, it has got nothing to do with contribution!

Jokes aside, the thing with Ambro is, he's an average player. In all departments. This also means he's gives his somewhat solid performance most of the time. Consistency is the word here. The way Gattuso had been out of form for the whole of last year, it allowed Ambro to sneak through. All said and done, he's probably the best backup we can have for Gattuso for the time being, at least. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Unless Poulsen suddenly signs up for Milan

[Tennie]

I think perhaps that some might be underestimating just what Ambrosini does for the team. A lot of the stuff he does goes unnoticed and for that reason, i think he's a little underappreciated. Those I know who have season tickets think the world of Ambro and don't forget: he was the one given MOM honors in Milan-MU of May 2007 - Gazzetta gave him an 8.5.

[acid911]

I think perhaps that some might be underestimating just what Ambrosini does for the team. A lot of the stuff he does goes unnoticed and for that reason, i think he's a little underappreciated. Those I know who have season tickets think the world of Ambro and don't forget: he was the one given MOM honors in Milan-MU of May 2007 - Gazzetta gave him an 8.5.

He does, but Gattuso somehow always manages to shadow him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Not only in Milan, but also in the Azurri NT. I used to think of him as one of the most underrated players in the last couple of seasons.

[han2503]

I think perhaps that some might be underestimating just what Ambrosini does for the team. A lot of the stuff he does goes unnoticed and for that reason, i think he's a little underappreciated. Those I know who have season tickets think the world of Ambro and don't forget: he was the one given MOM honors in Milan-MU of May 2007 - Gazzetta gave him an 8.5.

That season was probably Ambro's best and most consistant season, I'm not trying to take anything away from him. But he has more negative to his game than he has positive. He fouls too much, he's hot headed (not saying Rino isn't but since he is considered as Paolo's replacement for the captain's position I think it looks worse on him), he dwells on the ball way too much and ends up losing it most of the time, takes ridiculous shots instead of making a simple pass that would keep the games rythem up, and tries passes that Pirlo wouldn't even pull off.

Sure he hustles around and gets in the opponents' face but Rino can do that just as well without all of the above added to his game.

I think it's a personal preference but to me Ambro doesn't have the quality of Gattuso

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 13 2008, 09:25 PM

[Zed.D]

I think both Ambro and Gattuso are worthy players, only when one of them is sitting on the bench! playing both of them at the same time just defeats the purpose of having balance between defense and attack.

Which games Rino starts and which games Ambro, depends on the opponent. Ambro has characteristics that Rino lacks, being a great header the most obvious one. and Rino on the other hand has his own uses. playing both of them when we're leading a game like the Derby Della Madonnina by 3 goals is a great idea! but that's it. starting the games with both of them keeps the team back from playing an attacking game and 'unlocking' the defenses. unfortunately that's something Carlo doesn't seem to agree on.

This post has been edited by zdrossoneri: Nov 14 2008, 12:58 PM

[CrazyMilanFan]

pirlo, seedorf, kaka, r80 putting them all in the team will be impossible when we are ( and should) playin 2 stikers.... with 2 stiker the other 4 midfielders cant be these bcoz none of them are defensive and under carlo consitution atleast 2 DMs are must so it is going to be either seedorf/pirlo and kaka/r80 in 2 stiker situation but to calm these players carlo will revert to one stiker and i think then seedorf will come either for pirlo or r80 depending on the situation omne thing is certain under carlo 2 of rino, ambro, flamini, emerson will play on current form rino and flamini

[Tennie]

(IMG:http://i36.tinypic.com/29xg30i.jpg)

(picture of today's training from acmilan.com)


Today's training has taken place.

After warmups, which included laps around the perimeter of the pitch, there was tactical work.

There were two practice games. The first one was on a half-pitch and the second was on the full pitch.

Senderos, Pirlo, and Ambrosini followed the full training session with the team.

Il Capitano worked in the gym. Borriello trained part of the session with the team and part in the gym.

There will be one training session tomorrow along with the coach's pre-match press conference.

[Il Diavolo]

Borriello is out for a month!

[CrazyMilanFan]

Borriello is out for a month!

what when (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Tennie]

Mediaset is reporting that he strained his left thigh in training and may be out for a month.

link to clip of training accident.

Mediaset thinks that it'll be Pippo in his place in the lineup against Chievo.

There's nothing on acmilan.com yet.

[CrazyMilanFan]

ohh sad his season is going from bad to worse

[Zed.D]

OK, it's official: BORRIELLO IS INJURY PRONE!!


****.

[CrazyMilanFan]

pirlo back one stiker injured more of christmast tree then

[Darunia]

Pirlo may only make the bench for this one... I don't think he'll start.

I hope Carlo goes Pato-Inzaghi up top with Borriello out...but most likely x-mas tree.

[han2503]

Mediaset is reporting that he strained his left thigh in training and may be out for a month.

link to clip of training accident.

Mediaset thinks that it'll be Pippo in his place in the lineup against Chievo.

There's nothing on acmilan.com yet.

Noo!! Not Pippo, put Pato in there, someone that will actually do something other then getting caught offside a million times before he MIGHT score

[Giocare08]

I Agree ^
Pato- Borriello for this one. Has anyone else nticed that pato gets less time this season then last one? How is he supposed to get better if he plays less? Carlo Carlo Carlo

[MizNelson]

I Agree ^
Pato- Borriello for this one. Has anyone else nticed that pato gets less time this season then last one? How is he supposed to get better if he plays less? Carlo Carlo Carlo

I don't understand Carlo's extreme hesitance to play Pato. Shoot, I think Oli got more playing time than he has.

[acid911]

I want 3, 4 or even 5 goals in this match, no more 1-goal victories. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) If we can't beat the Flying Donkeys at San Siro, comfortably, then we don't deserve to be competing for the title! Fingers crossed we'll have this one wrapped up by half time.

[Rossoneri7]

I don't understand Carlo's extreme hesitance to play Pato. Shoot, I think Oli got more playing time than he has.

I think it has to do with Ronaldinho in the mix. At the beginning Carlo kept mixing up the positions; played him as an SS, as a LW, and also in the trequartista slot ... But mainly as the games developed, Ronaldinho seemed more effective as a LW, and from then on if ever Carlo wanted to play both Kaka' & Ronaldinho the formation is bound to be the X-mas tree.

But i agree with you completely, Pato has shown a lot of potential and understanding with this team that he merits a starting place. I'm sure he'll get some playing time, as there are two main competitions that Milan want by the end of the season, hence the squad will have to be very well rotated.

On this game, I think it will be a very heated encounter, but at the end of the day I hope Milan will get the three points

[acid911]

I'm sure he'll get some playing time, as there are two main competitions that Milan want by the end of the season, hence the squad will have to be very well rotated.

Are you sure about this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Cause UEFA Cup sure does seem like a bashtard child.

On this game, I think it will be a very heated encounter, but at the end of the day I hope Milan will get the three points

Are you sure about this one too? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Jeez, Catania (1-0), Fiorentina (2-0), Cagliari (2-0), Palermo (3-0), Juventus (2-0) all had their way with Chievo. Anything less than three goals from us, would be a disappointment, really, with the attack and firepower we've got.

We'll see.

[Tennie]

That assumes, acid, that the attacking firepower actually come to play. Mostly they haven't been in recent games.

[acid911]

That assumes, acid, that the attacking firepower actually come to play. Mostly they haven't been in recent games.

That's very true, actually. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

[Il Diavolo]

Pato doesn't play as often as last season, because he sux right now. There was some story about him being depressed because of Dunga's criticism. Ever since that story, he's been awful. Average 1vs1, terrible shot, no desire at all. He's just too young to meet the expectations. One day - maybe. Right now, I definetely agree with Carlo. I wouldn't rely on a player who gives the ball away in the most tense moments when we lead by one goal. Our worst attacker so far. And yes, I know he has more goals than Sheva and Borriello.

However, I can't agree with Sheva being a substitute forever. I think Pippo has more playing time than Sheva. This is ridiculous. What was the point of bringing him back? What's the point of Galliani's big mouth about our galaxy team since we play like a Serie B club? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pippo is our only striker this Sunday. Much like the Bologna game.

Heated encounter? Well, I hope for something like 5:0 or even 6:0. It's about time for Milan-Show at San Siro. We have the players. Chievo is the second worst team in Serie A and seeing Reggina almost beating Udine for the Coppa Italia, I wonder whether they are actually better than those yellow clowns. 1:0 is almost like 0:0 with a smile.

[kurtsimonw]

Zd is going to bring the house down on this one..

[Rossoneri7]

That assumes, acid, that the attacking firepower actually come to play. Mostly they haven't been in recent games.

Thats what I'm talking about. Ronaldinho needs to really step up more in the game play (not saying he is not doing anything, he is the highest goalscorer in Milan and he is really showing some good form), just a couple of those killer passes will do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[PatitoFeo]

Pato had plenty of opportunities to make his case and failed to score. To give him more opportunities would be playing favorites and not fair.

Pirlo is probably 20 minutes fit and should come on as a late sub. X mas tree when he steps on the pitch

[Zed.D]

Zd is going to bring the house down on this one..

(This is your second warning zd. Keep it respectful.) Max

[MizNelson]

Off topic, but when the hell do we actually play a Coppa Italia match already?

[CrazyMilanFan]

so pippo is also injured for this one ?

[Rossoneri7]

Off topic, but when the hell do we actually play a Coppa Italia match already?

Decmber 3rd - against Lazio

[Tennie]

Here's Mediaset's revised projected lineup:

Abbiati;
Zambrotta, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski;
Gattuso, Seedorf, Flamini;
Kakà, Ronaldinho;
F. Inzaghi

[Tennie]

Very long prematch interview today.

Highlights:

* Zambrotta has a minor knock and will be a gameday decision. If he's not able to play, Bonera will play on the right.
* Ambrosini is not available.
* Pirlo won't be on the bench.
* Shevchenko is motivated and available and might be able to contribute well.
* Pato can play prima punta in Borriello's absence.
* Carletto wouldn't be drawn in on talk of Borriello's injury being tied to the public fight he's had the last week with his girlfriend.
* Favalli is preferred over Senderos in the center due in large part to Senderos' lack of match fitness and his long absence due to injury.
* When Pirlo returns, nothing will change, Milan will have an important player with specific characteristics who will be available to play.
* Ronaldinho scored goals that nobody expected, which have influenced games.
* The deal with Beckham is clear; he'll be at Milan a few months only and will then go back to LA.
* Nice words for Billy's coaching of Mantova. Ancelotti was pleased for the result and pleased for how he's acting on the bench (hard to say just what this means as I've not actually seen Mantova games). Ancelotti adds that Milan is grooming good coaches, fruit of the work that Sacchi began.

[han2503]

Pato doesn't play as often as last season, because he sux right now. There was some story about him being depressed because of Dunga's criticism. Ever since that story, he's been awful. Average 1vs1, terrible shot, no desire at all. He's just too young to meet the expectations. One day - maybe. Right now, I definetely agree with Carlo. I wouldn't rely on a player who gives the ball away in the most tense moments when we lead by one goal. Our worst attacker so far. And yes, I know he has more goals than Sheva and Borriello.

However, I can't agree with Sheva being a substitute forever. I think Pippo has more playing time than Sheva. This is ridiculous. What was the point of bringing him back? What's the point of Galliani's big mouth about our galaxy team since we play like a Serie B club? I wouldn't be at all surprised if Pippo is our only striker this Sunday. Much like the Bologna game.

Heated encounter? Well, I hope for something like 5:0 or even 6:0. It's about time for Milan-Show at San Siro. We have the players. Chievo is the second worst team in Serie A and seeing Reggina almost beating Udine for the Coppa Italia, I wonder whether they are actually better than those yellow clowns. 1:0 is almost like 0:0 with a smile.

Don't agree on the Pato bit. He and Boriello are our most active strikers that play for the team, he drops deep tries to battle for every ball. And sure he might miss some chances but the cool head in front of goal will come with age and experiance, he can't aquire that experiance from the bench, he needs to be a regular for Milan. Maybe sometimes playing him out wide on the left as a wide midfielder could help by easing some of the pressure a striker has on him. But all the potential is there and playing Pippo ahead of him imo is wasting that talent for a guy that is 34 years old and close to the end of his carreer. Pato is the future of Milan while someone like Pippo doesn't really have anything left to offer us anymore. Boriello and Pato should be Carlo's priority.

As for the Sheva vs Pippo thing, personally it comes down to moments in the game. Who would I want to start the match if it was between the 2? That would be Sheva because he's a much overall better player then Pippo is. But who would I want to step in 20 minutes from time and hope to make a difference? Pippo obviously. He knows how to get on the nerves of the defenders, especially when they are tired after nearly 70 minutes of play Pippo would be a tricky customer to handle.

But since it's up to Carlo we all know he would much rather prefer Pippo over anybody else on that striker list. I personally am against it. But at the end of the day Carlo is the one making the decisions

Here's Mediaset's revised projected lineup:

Abbiati;
Zambrotta, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski;
Gattuso, Seedorf, Flamini;
Kakà, Ronaldinho;
F. Inzaghi

Ok with everything except for Pippo, either Pato or Sheva should be starting, they will contribute a whole lot more then Pippo, he should be used as an emergency backup if we need a goal (not that we should against Chievo, but with Carlo's Milan you never know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

This post has been edited by han2503: Nov 15 2008, 03:43 PM

[Zed.D]

a guy that is 34 years old

35 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


And it seem we're going for the Christmas tree again now I understand why some people said Ronaldinho wasn't needed (at least not more than a world class defender/goalkeeper). Carlo doesn't rotate key players. Kaka always plays and now after scoring these goals, Ronaldinho will be a regular starter too and that means we have to play the Christmas tree, even if we don't want to!

Having both Ronaldinho and Kaka in your team is great, only when you do rotate them. with playing both of them all the time they will be more in danger of fatigue, injuries, etc.

Anyway, I don't believe we can win the league going with this system all the time. Bologna, Genoa, Cagliari and Lecce games are already there as examples of how useless this system is against the midtable/bottom table Italian teams. not to mention our luck in games which we won while playing with this system [Inter (offside goal) - Napoli (deflected goal)]. the luck that finally ran out against Lecce.

[CrazyMilanFan]

so if zambrotta is not fit then we will have voldemort-favilli as our CB (IMG:style_emoticons/default/innocent.gif)

[Tennie]

Here are the call ups:
Abbiati, Dida,
Bonera, Darmian, Favalli, Jankulovski, Kaladze, Senderos, Zambrotta,
Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Gattuso,
Inzaghi, Kakà, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho.

Antonini failed a fitness test. Minor knock.

[CrazyMilanFan]

zambrotta is called up but it is still not certain tha the will play rite ?