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Danny
post May 1 2017, 02:14 AM
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I love ye both, but I just don't want to talk Allegri ever again on here. It's a circular argument where no one will ever agree. So peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 1 2017, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 1 2017, 02:14 AM) *
@ X and Han

I love ye both, but I just don't want to talk Allegri ever again on here. It's a circular argument where no one will ever agree. So peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well going by that stand, everything on this forum is pretty circular considering how few of use regularly come here. So does that mean we shouldn't talk about anything because it tends to go in circles?
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post May 1 2017, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 1 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Well going by that stand, everything on this forum is pretty circular considering how few of use regularly come here. So does that mean we shouldn't talk about anything because it tends to go in circles?


Han fella, don't be an *ss. Please respect my stance rather than arguing.
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post May 2 2017, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 1 2017, 08:44 AM) *
@ X and Han

I love ye both, but I just don't want to talk Allegri ever again on here. It's a circular argument where no one will ever agree. So peace (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Oh that's just swell. Just the both of them then. What am I Danny? A f@cking potato? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post May 2 2017, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 2 2017, 12:34 PM) *
Oh that's just swell. Just the both of them then. What am I Danny? A f@cking potato? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


You sound like a lover scorned.
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post May 3 2017, 10:53 PM
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Can't see past Juve for this. They've gone three matches in a row without conceding a goal, didn't concede any against Barca in the entire tournament, and made a very strong Monaco look frankly a bit one dimensional on their own patch.

They are about as strong as Mourinho's Inter of 2010 (maybe stronger) and I don't think even Real Madrid at their best can stop this.

God knows how Allegri's done it, he's gone beyond even my expectations, but he may just have turned them into the best club team in the world.

They are nearly impossible to break down, they score when they need to, can actually play a bit of football, and the best teams in Europe just can't score against them.

And I absolutely hate them. Going by this Serie A is decades behind them. But then it only took Jose to leave for Inter to fall apart, so if Allegri does go to Arsenal...

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post May 4 2017, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2017, 02:53 AM) *
Can't see past Juve for this. They've gone three matches in a row without conceding a goal, didn't concede any against Barca in the entire tournament, and made a very strong Monaco look frankly a bit one dimensional on their own patch.

They are about as strong as Mourinho's Inter of 2010 (maybe stronger) and I don't think even Real Madrid at their best can stop this.

God knows how Allegri's done it, he's gone beyond even my expectations, but he may just have turned them into the best club team in the world.

They are nearly impossible to break down, they score when they need to, can actually play a bit of football, and the best teams in Europe just can't score against them.

And I absolutely hate them. Going by this Serie A is decades behind them. But then it only took Jose to leave for Inter to fall apart, so if Allegri does go to Arsenal...

They have the money , the stadium they are miles ahead of many in Serie A and will be for sometime...I don't think Allegri has changed much , hes got wiser but that was bound to happen as he got my exp from CL....he has world class players at his disposal something we were keen on selling to balance the books..and as that Jose guy says you can't make a good omelette with bad eggs...

They are prolly going to keep 4th spot open for Serie A teams to all be it enter the CL..
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post May 4 2017, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ May 4 2017, 12:53 AM) *
They have the money , the stadium they are miles ahead of many in Serie A and will be for sometime...I don't think Allegri has changed much , hes got wiser but that was bound to happen as he got my exp from CL....he has world class players at his disposal something we were keen on selling to balance the books..and as that Jose guy says you can't make a good omelette with bad eggs...

They are prolly going to keep 4th spot open for Serie A teams to all be it enter the CL..


Juve have mostly inferior players to Monaco and Barca yet have dominated both teams. It's not just down to the players. There's a unity, a 'die for each other' mentality in there - they've grown from the Conte underachievers into Europe's dominant team.

I mean let's not forget, it's not a massively different squad to what Conte had, and he is an exceptional manager. But couldn't take them past the last 16 in Europe. Or was it the quarters.
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post May 4 2017, 11:22 AM
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Mostly inferior players to Monaco???? Please, do tell more about this. What's the score?
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post May 4 2017, 04:18 PM
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Mostly inferior players to Monaco???? Please, do tell more about this. What's the score?


0-2.

I'd rather have Mbappe and Falcao than Dybala and Higuain for a start. Then there's Moutinho, Mendy, Glik, and Sidibe. Juve have only one player I'd say is stronger than what Monaco have - Buffon over Subasic.

As a collective Juve have a better defence but individually the players are not special. No one is going to tell me Chiellini is a great defender - the guy is brutal. What he IS is a great leader. Alongside workhorses. And that makes their backline incredibly tough to get past.
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post May 4 2017, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 4 2017, 04:18 PM) *
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I'd rather have Mbappe and Falcao than Dybala and Higuain for a start. Then there's Moutinho, Mendy, Glik, and Sidibe. Juve have only one player I'd say is stronger than what Monaco have - Buffon over Subasic.

As a collective Juve have a better defence but individually the players are not special. No one is going to tell me Chiellini is a great defender - the guy is brutal. What he IS is a great leader. Alongside workhorses. And that makes their backline incredibly tough to get past.


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Juve have a team full of top players. Buffon, Alves, Bonucci, Chiellini, Khedira, Marchisio, Pjanic, Cuadrado, Dybala, Higuain. Who the hell are Moutinho, Glik, Sidibe et al in comparison? They don't even come close. The only player that can compete in this context is Mbappe, and that's it.
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post May 5 2017, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 5 2017, 05:32 AM) *
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Juve have a team full of top players. Buffon, Alves, Bonucci, Chiellini, Khedira, Marchisio, Pjanic, Cuadrado, Dybala, Higuain. Who the hell are Moutinho, Glik, Sidibe et al in comparison? They don't even come close. The only player that can compete in this context is Mbappe, and that's it.


Yeah actually. Mbappe vs Dybala and Higuain vs a fully fit Falcao are the only times when Monaco draw with Juve on talent. Rest of the time, Juve win.

In any case the individuality doesn't matter. Football in this decade has all been about collective efforts in defense and attack, and as much automation of plays as possible. It's almost becoming like American football. Ugh!

Soon football coaches will have a playbook and registas will call plays in advance.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 4 2017, 11:02 PM) *
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Juve have a team full of top players. Buffon, Alves, Bonucci, Chiellini, Khedira, Marchisio, Pjanic, Cuadrado, Dybala, Higuain. Who the hell are Moutinho, Glik, Sidibe et al in comparison? They don't even come close. The only player that can compete in this context is Mbappe, and that's it.


I give you Buffon, Dybala and Higuain (albeit not the latter two versus Monaco's offering), but you seem to be forgetting the players whom you're obvious to the existence of are about to beat PSG fair and square for the Ligue 1 title WHILE still being in UCL along with it.

I respect your opinion but your unfamiliarity with Monaco's players doesn't make Juve's better. It just means you need to educate yourself - this time last week you didn't even know who Mbappe was!
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post May 5 2017, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 5 2017, 09:32 AM) *
Yeah actually. Mbappe vs Dybala and Higuain vs a fully fit Falcao are the only times when Monaco draw with Juve on talent. Rest of the time, Juve win.


For those who don't know Monaco's players, maybe...

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This is why Juve have been a huge success. It's not about individual quality as much any more, but about tactics and team effort. One thing I will say that they have over both Barca and Monaco is physical strength. They're big lads - only wee players I can think of at Juve are Dybala and maybe Pjanic. Rest are all mountains.
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post May 5 2017, 07:06 PM
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Couldn't disagree more, Danny. Saying Monaco's players are on the same level as Juve's is a baffling thing to say, but then again Juve proved otherwise two nights ago so there's not much to discuss. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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