Also re: Cuadrado, I agree Jack, I don't think he's all that, but he did play some of his best football under Montella.

I'd personally rather we strengthened the core of the team .i.e get 2 creative mids in and 1 other CB. The wings and attack could be improved on later.

You said about Pogba that "he has immense physical capabilities, he is skilled and has great technique and intelligence. He's played a Euro final, a CL final, won tons of Italian trophies". I could say the very same thing about Matiudi. So, my question still stands: what has Pogba achieved more to be considered the better player? A CL final? Is that all it takes to make a difference?

And you want me to give examples of Pogba choking in big games? Hon, he's choked in all of them. Remind me one crucial Juventus game where Pogba was MVP. Cos I sure as hell can't remember. I only remember Pogba being an absolute nobody whenever it counted. Same with France. Completely choked in the final.



Because as I've said a million times by now, Higuain is exactly what Juventus needed, and he's worth that amount way more than Pogba is worth the amount he's being sold for. Sure, nobody is worth 94 million or 110 million for that matter. As Rio Ferdinand stated today, no football player is worth more than 20 million. But at least Higuain as proven himself to be a goalscoring machine again and again, whereas Pogba has proven ABSOLUTELY NOTHING at this point in his career.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Aug 8 2016, 10:16 PM

Maybe the difference is that Pogba has 23 and he started his career with a CL final, a Euro final and some Italian silverware, whereas Matuidi is at the end of his career? Also, Pogba is IMO much better in the attacking phase. But you've dodged again answering my question. I repeat once and for all: what makes Matuidi better according to your standards?

Let's take a closer look: Pogba played 41 games last season in Serie A and CL, scored 9 + 14 assists. Matuidi at the same time played 26, scored 4 + 8 assists. The season before Pogba had 34 matches, 9 goals and 5 assists. Our friend Matuidi? Played 35, with 5 goals and 3 assists. Maybe an off season? Let's take a look at the 13/14 season: 39 matches, 7 goals and 8 assists. What about Matuidi? 35 matches, 4 goals and 5 assists.

People used to talk about Ronaldo the very same thing. And various players as well. Take the Coppa final: Pogba was very good. Take the CL final where he played even if he was injured and still managed a good performance. But okay, here we clearly disagree.



You honestly think that all Juventus needs to excel in Europe is a poacher alla Higuain? Really? So we'll see. According to you they should thrive with the likes of Pjanić (who's btw perhaps the biggest choker I've seen) and Higuain. I'll take you by your word.

I appreciate your effort to stack up all those stats, but you make it seem like Pogba's numbers are much higher. It's no wonder that Pogba has higher scoring/assist stats than Matuidi considering he's a more offensive player. That doesn't necessarily make him the better player, though.

To answer your question, I think Matuidi is better because every time I've seen him play in Europe he's impressed me way more than Pogba. He might not be the better player to someone else, say, yourself, but if Juve sell Pogba and sign Matuidi to replace him, they're not losing much in my honest opinion.



Um, no, he did not. He was subpar in the CL final. He's been subpar in every single big match. And this is a 110 million player we're talking about. I take into consideration that he might overcome this issue eventually, but that's questionable.



Higuain, a poacher? Sorry pal, but I can't reply to that if you believe Higuain to be just a poacher.

So, what's you prediction then? Juventus are according to you already stronger then the last two seasons, they made a important step forward, yes? What's then you prediction for them this season? Semifinal? Finalist? Winner?

Oh, and you make Higuain and Pogba sound like we're talking about Ronaldo and Badelj (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

According to MN Bacca will give his final answer to West Ham shortly (today/tomorrow). If we sell him, we're gonna go after Pavoletti (IMG:style_emoticons/default/puke.gif)

I cant believe this, with the new owners I thought that if we sell a good player we will buy a better one. If we sell Bacca I would rather invest that money in midfield or defense.

Well nothing is gonna happen momentarily. Hopefully it's just the Italian medias not having a clue about our targets.

Oğuzhan Özyakup is the alternative of Badelj according to TuttoSport.

Celta Vigo have offered €6-7m for Suso, Milan won't sell him for less than €10m. The money would go for Cuadrado, but without the arrival of Cuadrado, Suso is considered absolutely unsellable. #GdS

Sky: Montella wants a midfielder and a winger, the objectives are Badelj and Cuadrado. The first alternative of Badelj is Sosa who is waiting for Milan, and Besiktas want €8-9m. The agent of Cuadrado is working to force the sale of Cuadrado, if Milan are not able to sign him then the alternative is Januzaj. Waiting for Bacca, who has still not gave his okay to West Ham to formalize his move. His sale would unblock the mercato of Milan.

John Stones has signed with Man City for 50m Euros, while we sold Thiago Silva for 40m, SMH.

But that was years ago. EPL prizes never stop amaze me though.

Can't say for sure. You can't make such predictions because it all depends on who you face in the KO stages. All I can say for now is that after Barça, Madrid and Bayern, Juventus have the best team in Europe (supposing they replace Pogba with someone decent).



As Filipo said, it's still too early. The deal hasn't even been finalized yet, and whatever signings we'll make now won't fall on the new management.

That being said, selling Bacca to sign Badelj and frigging Pavoletti is completely illogical. Why even go after someone like Pavoletti when we signed Lapadulla for 9 million only a few weeks ago?



Indeed. Silva's transfer fee was a world record for a defender, but records are meant to be broken. And we live in a day and age where transfer fees are reaching ridiculous levels, especially in the EPL.

ManCity have spent 191 million this summer on John Stones, Leroy Sanè, Gabriel Jesus, Ilkay Gundogan, Nolito, Marlos Moreno e Oleksandr Zinchenko.

That is absolutely insane. Aside from Gundogan (who wasn't actually paid that much) the rest are a bunch of nobodies. Money is truly like toilet paper in England.

This post has been edited by X-Offender: Aug 9 2016, 12:31 PM

Nah, they're just making the obvious link because he's a Genoa player.

Plus Galliani is no longer allowed to do as he pleases so I'm expecting these types of moves to not happen anymore


It's the 9th of August, we barely have 3 weeks left to make any moves this summer, and it's looking likely that we're going into next season with the same group that finished 7th last season. Which is a whole lotta scary

That being said, I'd rather we stay as is than make a stupid panic buy that we're stuck with for the next 4 years


Actually, transfer sums were already ridiculous then, and let's not forget that Galliani gave them a 2 for 1 special and served Ibra on a platter to PSG for peanuts. We got 60m for both players, when PSG paid 50m just 2 seasons later for Luiz... Honestly, this deal still makes me furious years later because those 2 were worth double, if not more than that at the time.

Don't know where to post this, so I picked this topic.

Anyone watched the Trofeo TIM? A really good litmus test that hopefully clears a few things. I see the Italian papers blame Lopez, but he was solid IMO. MDS should be played on the left, and I was glad to see him play as team captain. He should be our pick this season. Suso, Niang and Adriano were good. This Adriano fellow is perplexing to me; don't know whether I should give him a chance or not. Peculiar player.

Verghara and Paletta (who would have known...) are a disaster. Both should be transferred to Serie B clubs in no time.

I didn't even know it was on today.

Anyway, it's pretty shameful to concede 3 goals to Sassuolo in 30 minutes, especially if you're up 2-0.