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post Jul 18 2016, 07:40 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 16 2016, 12:33 PM) *
I don't get how you won't acknowledge the main difference. Juventus has a fall back system, prepared to act as a fail-safe in almost every dire situation. It's bigger then just one man pulling the strings. Yes, Juventus got managed properly, surely.

Juventus has been run properly because they got organized and tied in with all other Agnelli business activities for decades. Milan never was that kind of a story; we were a one-man-show, bound to explode one day. The thing with us is that we did not have or could not have the same fail-safe strategy and the same anchor.

In the end, I'm glad that I was and am a Milan fan. I'd change all the shrewdness in the world from the Agnelli's for what Berlusconi achieved with us. Even with this fall, with this mismanagement case, I'm still proud of what Milan become. We had a brand of football, we inspired people all over the world to join us and take part in our history. Milan played for most of the part better football, we proved to be winners on all stages, whereas Juventus only did that in Italy while remained a looser in Europe. Now it's very painful to watch the gap growing, sure. But no regrets anyway.

Very, very good assessment of the situation, and I agree with you on being proud for what was achieved.
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post Jul 18 2016, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2016, 07:12 PM) *
Tell me why we went from dominating European football to absolute shite in less than ten years.

I think Fillipo explained it quite well. Different management philosophy, Juve was set up to run as a proper business, Milan was more like Berlu's "hobby", which he also used to support his political ambitions and financial dealings. Worked well for us while Berlu could throw money at the team, but things changed with the financial crisis, Berlu's political problems, and the fact that buying quality players has become much more expensive in relative terms. In this new world, teams that are run as a business have the advantage.
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post Jul 18 2016, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2016, 08:12 PM) *
Tell me why we went from dominating European football to absolute shite in less than ten years.

Because of multiple reasons. Errors in judgement, mismanagement cases, even situations that were completely outside of the footballing domain. As I said earlier, we did not have the same structural organization Juventus had. Maybe it's boring and too extensive to go deep into history, but by doing so you'll find the big difference.

Once the economic crisis kicked in, once Berlusconi started loosing grasp of political power and stability within his own party, once he lost control over the state his party and his country are, we lost the upper hand. Finivest pulled the plug, Berlusconi wasn't there to cover up. Galliani didn't operate like that (at all) and found himself in a completely new situation, which he managed poorly.

We started from one error to another, which in the end lead us right where we are. Does that qualify as a good answer?
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:15 AM
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According to most outlets, even the serious ones like ANSA and Reuters, the sale has been postponed to next week, but will definitely happen by the end of this month.

Supposedly, the delays have been because they couldn't come top an agreement regarding the last 20% of the shares and how they will be paid and when, so now they're moving to a 100% sale immediately (Which would be awesome news if true).

As for the transfer market, atm everything is at a standstill. Galliani had a meeting with Silvio to try to get him to release funds, but he wouldn't comply (for obvious reasons, why would you put money into a house you're about to sell?). So atm we're stuck waiting for the preliminary to be signed or for Bacca and some others to be sold before anything can be done.

Musacchio and Zielinski seem to be on standby atm, but tbh I don't know how long they will wait, especially Zielinski who's had various other clubs after him (mainly Liverpool and Napoli)
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post Jul 20 2016, 09:50 AM
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If they're going to fire Galliani and Barbara and all, their first priority will be finding replacements. Where then is the time for hiring a transfer guru. And then for having him scout for targets, then begin negotiations and close deals. We have one month left.

Yeah, this is going to be one of those seasons. But hurry we're sold! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 20 2016, 09:53 AM
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I don't think they'll fire Galliani right away. This is probably going to be a transition period with Galliani and Gancikoff. Afterwards, perhaps...
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2016, 09:53 AM) *
I don't think they'll fire Galliani right away. This is probably going to be a transition period with Galliani and Gancikoff. Afterwards, perhaps...

He already said himself that he doesn't know what will happen and that he's staying until October and then he doesn't know.

I personally don't think that the new owners will want to keep Galliani, they'll want to put their own people in the important positions.

Also, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, etc are stating that Sonny Wu who's the co-founder of GSR Capital is leading the consortium. I honestly don't know anything about them or how they work

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BEIJING—A consortium including Chinese investors is close to a deal for Italian soccer club AC Milan, according to people close to the deal.

One person said the group would buy 80% of the club, whose total value the person said is about €750 million (around $827 million) including around €200 million in debt. That would mean the investors are spending around €440 million for the stake, which would be the biggest acquisition powered by Chinese money for control of a world-class soccer team.

The agreement, expected to be completed this month, also provides for the group to buy the remaining 20% and put in about €400 million of investments in the next two to three years, the person told The Wall Street Journal.

Italian investor and sports-business consultant Nicolas Gancikoff has a leading role in the deal and is expected to become a top executive in the club once it is completed, according to people familiar with the talks.

The investor group includes Chinese investment firm GSR Capital, two people said. GSR’s chairman, Sonny Wu, helped Mr. Gancikoff line up Chinese investors for the deal, according to people familiar with the talks.
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:15 PM
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@TheMilanBible Sonny Wu and Steven Zhang will buy Milan with other Chinese investors. Robin Li to hold a small stake. [Repubblica]

‏@TheMilanBible: The preliminary agreement will be signed in the middle of next week.


@TheMilanBible Once the preliminary agreement is signed, Galliani and Barbara will be stepping down. [Repubblica]

@TheMilanBible Galliani will only remain for the initial stages, as a market consultant. Gancikoff will then take his role.


I honestly do hope that the CEO role will be a solely administrative one, and the transfers will be delegated to a proper Director of Sport
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:18 PM
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And I hope people like Paolo Maldini or Sandro Nesta will be involved.
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 20 2016, 08:18 PM) *
And I hope people like Paolo Maldini or Sandro Nesta will be involved.

We'll see.

Having those guys would be a huge boost. Having someone of that stature at the club will help us attract players to come on board. Like back in the day we had Leo who really helped us, especially with getting Brazilians.

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post Jul 20 2016, 08:30 PM
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@TheMilanBible The Chinese will put €15M for the market. However, exactly €9.6M will go to Berlusconi for signing Lapadula. Milan could gain €30M for the mercato by selling Bacca. [Sky]

Honestly, if this is correct that's another season down the drain. But if Galliani is out by the end of the summer, I'd say this is the best transfer campaign we've had in years!

But this just doesn't make much sense, why would Galliani even be trying to sign Musacchio and Zielinski when he has no money to work with? And why spend 10m of that on a Serie B player? Just doesn't add up tbh.

Also, we should be really trying to push for loans with obligation to buy and offer a slightly inflated sum to compensate. We've done it before in big moves like with Zlatan so don't get what the problem is now. Kovacic could be available on loan (Real want it to be a dry loan, supposedly, we should push for an option to buy clause). Barca reportedly want to offload Turan, I think he'd be great in Serie A and that's our midfield problems 75% solved.

I'd try to get those 2 on loan with obligation to buy and close the Musacchio deal and be done for now with the market. Maybe it won't turn us into contenders but it would make us more competitive and definitely a shoe in for the EU spots without breaking the bank just now
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post Jul 20 2016, 08:42 PM
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Also, what is this obsession the media have with selling Bacca? there are MANY others on our team who need to be sold and we could get some cash from.

Menez, Poli, Honda, Kucka, Diego Lopez, Bertolacci, Ely and Matri are all players that should or could be sold to free up space and a bit of cash.

I know Bacca is obvious because he's the only player on this team worth a damn but we could get 5 to 10m for each of the players mentioned above, so I don't understand why Galliani isn't working his @ss off to shop them around and informing their agents to find other clubs for them as they're no longer part of the Milan plans.

Menez could fetch us around 8m and I think League 1 clubs would be interested in him. Poli could get us around 4 to 5m, I'm sure mid-tier Serie A clubs would be interested. Kucka is wanted by Toro, we could easily fetch another 6m off him.

Honda was wanted by a couple EPL clubs, his marketing potential is huge (he was our biggest shirt seller last season), but it's just not worth it, especially if we're desperate to free up funds this summer. I think we could get around 8m or so for him if we shop him around a bit to the English sides.

Lopez is wanted by Chelsea but apparently we're willing to give him up for free (!!) (we're apparently desperate to get his wages off the books so Galliani sees just the act of removing him from the squad as a win, forget the fact that he would be worth actual money on the market ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) )

Ely, Berto and Matri all have their appeal to mid-level clubs in Italy, we should try to get something from their sales
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post Jul 21 2016, 09:36 AM
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We can't sell Honda. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) I like this season's jerseys and I want a Honda and a Bonaventura. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jul 21 2016, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 21 2016, 09:36 AM) *
We can't sell Honda. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/realmad.gif) I like this season's jerseys and I want a Honda and a Bonaventura. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Reports are that his and Suso's agent was at Milanello speaking to Galliani yesterday and he'll most likely leave.

Get a Romagnoli shirt instead. It will be much more worth it.

Also, most papers saying that 3 of the names which are part of the consortium are Sonny Wu, Steven Zheng and Kweichow Moutai. The last one are a state owned Liquor company so that's the probable link to the Chinese government
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post Jul 21 2016, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 20 2016, 09:30 PM) *
[...] if Galliani is out by the end of the summer, I'd say this is the best transfer campaign we've had in years!

Agreed

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 20 2016, 09:30 PM) *
But this just doesn't make much sense, why would Galliani even be trying to sign Musacchio and Zielinski when he has no money to work with? And why spend 10m of that on a Serie B player? Just doesn't add up tbh.

I have stopped trying to make sense out of what Galliani does.
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