I only listed players who played more than half of the games in Serie A. So I have no idea what you are talking about. If, like you say, it was a result of our better players getting injured, then surely it's common sense that we didn't have many good players available all that often due to injury.

You can't use players that are not available. That'd be like us signing Messi and Ronaldo, them being injured most the year, then claiming we should win the league because we have them - even though they barely play.

I wonder how many coaches have won Serie A with multiple teams? Even the great Carlo had the best team in the league with both Milan and Juve and couldn't do it. Surely that would be the minimum requirement, right? Like it is with Allegri.

The anti-Allegri sentiment is hilarious, it just makes it even funnier that he's going to win another title.

Round and round in circles.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Mar 7 2015, 02:20 PM

Boateng played 19 games, that's half the season. Nesta was a starter, whenever he was injured Mexes played. Seedorf and Aquilani interchanged places, as did Pato and Robinho. Only Cassano didn't play a major role, yet he played 16 games, scored 3 goals and provided 10 assists. That's a relatively fine contribution. It's only Allegri's fault if he kept playing Emanuelson as AM when he could have easily gone with other solutions.

And it was the game against Fiorentina after Barcelona that cost us the first place. I remember that well. The fact of the matter is that we were leading until the 31st week. You do not simply give away the title at the very end.



And you use the "Allegri winning the title twice without competition" argument to suit your needs. It's the context that matters here. Ancelotti played three CL finals and one semi-final in five years, and had to compete against a very powerful domestic Juventus, all while Serie A was still arguably the strongest league in the world. Apples and oranges, Kurt.

My anti-Allegri sentiment will never subside. You find it hilarious, I find it extremely rational. Suit yourself.

Did you watch Serie A in the season(s) where Ancelotti took over at Juventus?

Firstly, it was a very different Serie A, with multiple teams having star players in their roster. Secondly, Ancelotti took over in mid-season, when Lippi's playing around the winning-team of the past finally backfired and players like Esnaider, Dimas or Mirković failed to make any impact. Ancelotti came in, made the best he could with finishing 7th, then took the squad right no back on track in the next season to 2nd. By no means this Juventus was the best team, it had many problems.

It's easy to make up some stats that go or do not go in favor. Ancelotti won the Serie A, the EPL, the French League. Maybe he'll win the La Liga as well. So how can one say he's not one of the best league managers around? Yet, if you see his record with Milan, there are some missed chances (although we always tend to forget the Calciopoli thing which is not just 1 season).

Same with Allegri. I think he's a decent manager. He won the scudetto with Milan, most probably will do the same with Juventus. But in the long run he has still much to learn. His constant fumbling around the team also backfired and didn't leave a good taste with Milan fans. We'll see if he does the same with Juventus.

Yes. That Juventus side was obscenely talented, including having the best player in World football on their side. Absolutely no question he should've won Serie A and certainly won it at least 2/3 times with Milan.

But again, we'll never agree. Most of it is subjective. Though the facts are there to see, that require no subjectivity.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Mar 7 2015, 07:12 PM

Didn't buy your first explanation, nor this one. Just think you hate Allegri and that's it. You will basically use every argument in the book to back it up and ignore opposing ideas - none of which I can be bothered going into because it ain't worth it.

Although I'll concede that at least you admit Pippo's a billion times worse than Allegri could ever be.

You have done the same thing by for example using the players out of position argument with Pippo when you know very well that Allegri did the same thing

Also, I think Allegri was smart/afraid/humble enough not to try to mess with a good thing. Meaning, he followed on what Conte left him, a very strong team that were very well coached.

Benitez tried to do his own thing. He didn't lose the dressing room, he never had it to begin with, if you think this is an excuse then so bit it. But you have to wonder how a coach can possibly coach a set of players when he's simply unwanted by them, so far so that they went behind his back to the club management and their previous coach

Add to that the fact that they were a burnt out old team. Mourinho extracted every last drop of sweat from some of those players and they simply did not have it in them to really push themselves anymore after achieving what they did with him.

If you think these things don't factor into how vastly different the 2 situations are then I don't even know why we're talking about this because it's pointless.

Allegri might not have been a popular choice, but the players accepted him, which was never the case with Benitez at Inter.

I use the out of position argument on Pippo because it has, among other things, thoroughly punctuated his Milan failure.

Whereas Allegri made errors but nowhere near to the same degree as this.

But...I'm done with this, I'm absolutely sick of conversation on here, whether I'm involved or not, about Allegri.

I'm also in a totally foul mood regarding football right now because both Milan and Rangers are such a fucking disgrace that only blind love for both is keeping me from taking up rugby.

Eh, to each their own. I think the points I and Han bring are very valid, you and Kurt have other opinions and ideas. This argument always goes in circles, we shouldn't really bother anymore with it.

Agreed. Pointless. I hereby declare Milanfan an Allegri-free zone, and hopefully soon an Inzaghi and Silvio free one too.

Wishful thinking there

But like it or not we always tend to go back to he who shall not be named because there are opinions on him that are as similar to each other as night and day

But it's not all facts, that's the point. You gotta look at the context as well. Juventus in 1997 was a bad place - Lippi failed, subsequently Ancelotti failed as well.

When you analyze Allegri's stay at Milan, you have all the possible understanding for context: you get why he lost the second scudetto, you know why we started falling apart afterwards. I'm only thinking you should know the context of Ancelotti's Juventus and Milan as well.

What the hell are you talking about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Why are you so cryptic, this is not soviet Russia?

Ah Pippo, sometimes you're slower than a year in Guantanamo Bay.

What I meant was it's a fact that in 10 years at Juve/Milan he won 1 league title. it's not an acceptable return. So far his only acceptable performances in the league was at Chelsea. 1/2 at PSG wouldn't be so bad had he not been in a 1 team league and taken over when the team was 1st and failed to win it.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Mar 8 2015, 07:15 PM