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post Mar 5 2015, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 5 2015, 12:32 PM) *
Count me as one of them.


I knew you'd be the first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Mar 5 2015, 04:42 PM
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I also knew you were slightly baiting me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Would be an insult not to bite (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 5 2015, 11:43 AM) *
I know people will disagree, but if it were up to me I would renew Mexes' contract and make him and Rami our starting CB pairing. They work well together, have shown it under both Seedorf and Inzaghi. I would focus all our financial resources into signing two quality midfielders: one to replace De Jong (even though if we were to hire a new capable coach, like Montella or Klopp, perhaps they might manage to change his mind?) and a playmaker (Witsel, Gundogan etc.). I feel confident that with these signings and an experienced coach we could easily fight for the 3rd spot.

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Abate - Rami - Mexes - De Sciglio
Witsel - De Jong(?) - Bona
Cerci - Destro - Menez

Agreed

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 5 2015, 11:54 AM) *
So one match made you decide on Paletta? Again, I don't think it's enough. And once more, if Paletta stays, acceptable would be to keep him as a backup.

But I think you're pretty much biased to your own forgone conclusions. For example, some players get to be marked as "good" and you say they should be doing much much better but it's the toxic Milan environment that makes them look out of shape and bad. But then you don't cut some slack for the new signings, but you still advocate Cerci, who's been so far our worst signing (which is the opposite of his potential).

So let's be honest and put the "toxic environment" argument for one second aside. What has Paletta so far done so bad with us that Zapata or Rami haven't already done? In fact, why do you think both Rami and Zapata are better then Paletta? Because, from my perspective it's like this: I've seen much more of Zapata and Rami over these years. My assessment is that they're useless, too good to be backups, to bad to be starters. They're very prone to mistakes and suitable candidates for a midtable club. Now, maybe Paletta will fit right into this description, but why is it that you already made up your mind on Paletta but still somehow rate Zapata and Rami who pretty much have a terrible season (especially Rami)?

I did mention that I've seen Paletta with Italy as well right? Not to mention having witnessed him with Parma in the past. I said this before we even signed him because I HAD seen him before enough times to see the type of player he is. And he's just not good enough. Certainly no better than Rami or Zapata.

And I do concede that both of them are mistake prone, especially when they don't have someone to hold their hands and lead the line. But they're both good when they do have that type of partner, both have shown this when playing next to Alex or Mexes imo

Bocchetti? You talk about honesty, so tell me, have you honestly seen anything from this guy that shows he's a better option than either Rami or Zapata? Because he's played over 5 games now and so far what I've seen hasn't been anything to write home about, after his first game Danny had already made up his mind about him, and I myself told him to give him more of a chance than that, but really, can you honestly tell me that he's a viable option to keep as backup and give him a permanent deal for probably big money

Also, might I remind you that I was equally against the deals for Paletta, Destro and Cerci, for various different reasons. I want to give all of them a fair chance, but with Paletta I know for a fact that he's just not that good and we have about another gagillion defenders, so with him there's no need to force any hope for him to succeed, unlike with the other 2

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 5 2015, 11:54 AM) *
I think you're the only person around Milan who try to ignore the elephant in the room. Firstly, you make this sound like it's a piece of cake, like Mexes would agree on a lower wage in a blink of an eye, whereas potentially lucrative offers from the various US-teams, Monaco or PSG or who knows which team wouldn't count.

Secondly, you disregard his behavior. I think he's a "rotten apple" and it's better to part ways with him. He may be our best defender, but the guy isn't getting any younger while mentally he's still a rookie hothead. He's impulsive and unpredictable, and coaches seem to try to avoid him, which makes me question his influence on the team overall. I think everyone knows that...

I forgot to add a disclaimer to that. Basically if Mexes does not agree to the term we simply tell him goodbye. So yes, it is THAT simple for me. Offer him a 1 year deal for 1.5m. If he accepts good, if not, then no hard feelings.

And yes, he is our most naturally gifted defender, I simply don't care that he at times loses his head. Just like I couldn't care less with Ibra and Balo. At this point are we really still trying to sell the Milan class BS and that players wearing our shirt should conduct themselves in a certain manner? Because this thing was thrown away years ago, first by how our management acted and by the players they brought into this team, and this did not start with Mexes.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 5 2015, 11:54 AM) *
Well, in fact, IMO he is better then Zaccardo and always was. But as I said, for me it makes sense to have 1 such player who covers all the areas needed to be covered in a dire situation. Such situations usually happen 2-3 times in a season. And I'm positive Bonera could make a solid outing against the various Chievo's and Bologna's. He's better then all the other potential 3rd choices we have or could have (Zaccardo, Albertazzi...).

For me all we need is 4 FBs and 4 CBs. Anything else when we're only playing in essentially one competition is ridiculous. Our fitness levels and terrible physical shape is the reason why our players get injured so much imo. And this is something that a proper coach with a proper training regimen would fix imo

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 5 2015, 12:31 PM) *
Funny, barely 3 appearances for either and they don't cut it, when you dismissed the Alex & Mexes partnership failure based on one appearance.

Why is it few appearances is relevant for certain players, but not enough to judge for others?

Bocchetti has played more than that, and IIRC I was the one who told you that we shouldn't jump the gun on him when you had already written him off after one game. But having seen him some more, I know now that you were right, so take that and run with it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

As for Paletta, as I told Filippo, I've seen him enough times (and not in a Milan shirt) to know him enough as a player to make my own assessments about him, and he's simply not that good. At least not better than either Zapata or Rami.

For me seeing someone enough times in a consecutive amount of games is what I base my opinion on a player on. With Paletta I saw him before (both with Italy and Parma) as I already said and with Bocchetti he's been starting regularly for the last few weeks now so I think I've seen enough from him to garner a basic idea of the type of player he is.
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post Mar 5 2015, 09:23 PM
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Han in 'Danny was right' shocker. I'll frame that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for Paletta, I don't deny he's not impressed me hugely since joining, but then central defence relies on the right two players, the right kind of partner, and NONE of our defenders are being given that privilege.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 5 2015, 09:23 PM) *
Han in 'Danny was right' shocker. I'll frame that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

As for Paletta, I don't deny he's not impressed me hugely since joining, but then central defence relies on the right two players, the right kind of partner, and NONE of our defenders are being given that privilege.

I think it relies more on consistency, I don't think it matters much who the players are. I personally don't believe that there's a rule like you do that one has to be a leader the other the foil.

I think it mostly relies on the chemistry of the 2 players and that can only be built through consistent playing time, and none of our players have gotten it. Mostly as a pairing, but also as individuals. It's, imo, the major reason why we're such a mess back there. They don't have an understanding, they don't really trust each other, they don't communicate at the same level, and this has nothing to do with the spoken tongue.

With Paletta, I've just personally never been impressed by him. I scratched my head several times when Prandelli called him up for the WC, even more so when he started him...
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Looks like something might be really moving on the selling the club front. Repubblica reports a secret encounter between Berlusconi and Taechaubol (Mr. Bee, from Thailand) last Thursday. They talked about a 25% sale of shares for €250 million, which will eventually lead to a full ownership deal in 4-5 years. The roles of Berlusconi as president, of Barbara and Galliani will not be touched.

Apparently both parties went as far as reaching a "memorandum of understanding", a document which describes the details of the operation without any legal obligations as of yet (kind of like a verbal agreement, so to speak). The deal should be sealed in the summer, and most of the freshly injected funds will be used to build a competitive team.

Unlike in other occasions, this time Fininvest only said that they've made their stance known in the past and do not wish to comment any further. So, not really a denial, but more like a "no comment".

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It really does seem like something might happen this time around. Fingers crossed.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 7 2015, 09:18 PM) *
Looks like something might be really moving on the selling the club front. Repubblica reports a secret encounter between Berlusconi and Taechaubol (Mr. Bee, from Thailand) last Thursday. They talked about a 25% sale of shares for €250 million, which will eventually lead to a full ownership deal in 4-5 years. The roles of Berlusconi as president, of Barbara and Galliani will not be touched.

Apparently both parties went as far as reaching a "memorandum of understanding", a document which describes the details of the operation without any legal obligations as of yet (kind of like a verbal agreement, so to speak). The deal should be sealed in the summer, and most of the freshly injected funds will be used to build a competitive team.

Unlike in other occasions, this time Fininvest only said that they've made their stance known in the past and do not wish to comment any further. So, not really a denial, but more like a "no comment".

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It really does seem like something might happen this time around. Fingers crossed.

Let's all hope

If this is really ture, I really do wish that Galliani's choice of coach is better than Montella.

Montella is good in our current state, but if we have serious ambitions, we need someone better and with more experiance
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post Mar 7 2015, 10:57 PM
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Berlusconi has issued a statement denying this.












(He will...you know he will...)
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They can deny all they want. The rumors have never been so consistent before. Something is going to happen, I am certain of it. Call it wishful thinking, or just desperate, but we simply cannot go on like this, and this so-called management knows it well.
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post Mar 8 2015, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 7 2015, 11:10 PM) *
They can deny all they want. The rumors have never been so consistent before. Something is going to happen, I am certain of it. Call it wishful thinking, or just desperate, but we simply cannot go on like this, and this so-called management knows it well.


It's desperation I entirely agree with.
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Now Gazzetta also reports the Mr. Bee story, going as far as saying that if by the end of May, Silvio doesn't sell 30% of the shares then he has to pay a penalty of €25 million. Mr. Bee is not the only person behind this deal. He represents other tycoons from Asia who want to do business in Italy, and not only in the world of football. Apparently it was Berlusconi himself who pushed for the deal.

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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 8 2015, 11:51 PM) *
Now Gazzetta also reports the Mr. Bee story, going as far as saying that if by the end of May, Silvio doesn't sell 30% of the shares then he has to pay a penalty of €250 million. Mr. Bee is not the only person behind this deal. He represents other tycoons from Asia who want to do business in Italy, and not only in the world of football. Apparently it was Berlusconi himself who pushed for the deal.

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How much is this Bee worth? I really don't want us to end up with the same situation as Inter
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Gazzetta continues to insist on the whole Mr. Bee story. As mentioned previously, the parties have reached an agreement for 30% of the shares of the club for €250 million, and the next stop in the future will be a majority purchase of 51%. Silvio has until May to decide whether to go with this solution, otherwise he will have to pay a penalty of €25 million. Maldini should get a relevant position with the new ownership.

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Sounds good.
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Yeah, but I wonder, can Maldini and Galliani co-exist? Unless the latter will be on his way out...
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