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post Mar 1 2015, 07:45 PM
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You say we should play 4-2-3-1 but then you say Pippo shouldn't play Bona as winger/AM. So, where then?
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post Mar 1 2015, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2015, 07:45 PM) *
You say we should play 4-2-3-1 but then you say Pippo shouldn't play Bona as winger/AM. So, where then?

I think he can sit next to De Jong as part of the DP.

He's just as defensively capable as both Monto or Poli imo. And for me, he's naturally a CM, not an attacking player

Also, what are your views on the formation we play?

Do you really think a 3 man midfield is the right way to go for us with the midfielders that we have?
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post Mar 1 2015, 07:51 PM
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I don't see Bona in the double pivot, I just don't.

I think the best midfield we can play right now is Poli-NDJ-Bona. Whether we go for a 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3 is relative, I'd be fine with either.

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Poli - De Jong - Bona
Cerci - Destro - Menez


No-brainer for me.
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post Mar 1 2015, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2015, 07:51 PM) *
I don't see Bona in the double pivot, I just don't.

I think the best midfield we can play right now is Poli-NDJ-Bona. Whether we go for a 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3 is relative, I'd be fine with either.

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Poli - De Jong - Bona
Cerci - Destro - Menez


No-brainer for me.

On paper it looks good, but I feel like that on the pitch, that midfield would still be flat, simply because none of those players are natural creators, and that's why we struggle so much to connect midfield with the attack imo
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Yes, I get that, but I don't see any other way around it. 4-2-3-1 requires a proper trequartista, and unless Pippo decides to give Suso a shot there, we really don't have anyone else. Bona isn't exactly that, and Honda is just crap.
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post Mar 2 2015, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 1 2015, 05:56 PM) *
I won't. He was caught off guard too many times. But was he our worst player?


No, Monto was.
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post Mar 2 2015, 01:55 PM
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Mediaset says Verona will be Inzaghi last chance.

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Eh...
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post Mar 2 2015, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 1 2015, 09:34 PM) *
But Menez doesn't really play on the wing. He's always being employed as a SS. I think, given the many wingers we have (Menez, Suso, Cerci, SES) we should try and exploit them more properly.

Pippo has failed to "educate" Menez. He's selfish, does whatever he wants, thinks himself as the Ibahimovic of this team. Look at Hazard at Chelsea. More talented and yet dedicated to the cause, always sticking to his duties and playing for his teammates. Menez has the "Balotelli" bug, but I think it's fixable as long as a proper manager gives him a proper lesson. Pippo clearly isn't that person.

Agreed on the Menez part. But I think it's kind of unfair to expect this out of Inzaghi, who's a rookie. All previous coaches - Gomes, Spalletti, Ancelotti, Blanc - had problems with him, some of the named benched him or used his services in a limited way. Now, to expect out of Inzaghi what the named coaches failed...is not exactly promising.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 1 2015, 09:41 PM) *
I think Menez needs to be given a clear role. i.e You are a winger, stay on the f@cking wing!!! That should be drilled into his head.

Giving him these free roles as a false 9 or a SS is just asking for his ego to run away with him as he thinks he's the focal point so it's his god given right to not pass to anyone and shoot any time he gets a sniff at goal.

The only way that I feel like we can incorporate all our best players and use them to the best of their abilities is with a 4-2-3-1.

Pippo needs to start using Cerci. He needs to make use of Bonaventura's best assets and not lump him in as a winger or AM. He needs to get the best out of Menez and ensure that he's got guidelines to follow and he needs to get our strikers scoring, and this disjointed system will simply never do that

Easier said then done. Thing is, Menez has this attitude and he knows he's Pippo's most valuable player and match-winner. I think parting ways with both the player and the manager is what we should do in the end. X-O said it right, it's a "bug", and such things rarely go away. Every once in a while a manager turns up who's able to tame or soften this "bug", but that's unlikely to happen IMO.

As for Cerci, man he looks completely out of shape. Every time I see him play, he reminds me of some past big player who's still (somehow) in form but out of shape. I don't know what to say, but Cerci isn't exactly starting material, at least not for now.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 2 2015, 01:55 PM) *
Mediaset says Verona will be Inzaghi last chance.

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Eh...

How many times have we heard this now?

It's getting worse than the Allegri saga
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Really? I don't remember one single time Mediaset blatantly said it's his last chance.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2015, 09:49 PM) *
Really? I don't remember one single time Mediaset blatantly said it's his last chance.


No, they've said it a couple of times before as well.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2015, 09:49 PM) *
Really? I don't remember one single time Mediaset blatantly said it's his last chance.

I don't know if it was mediaset, but we've been hearing about this "last chance" nonsense since the beginning of January
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2015, 04:59 PM) *
Easier said then done. Thing is, Menez has this attitude and he knows he's Pippo's most valuable player and match-winner. I think parting ways with both the player and the manager is what we should do in the end. X-O said it right, it's a "bug", and such things rarely go away. Every once in a while a manager turns up who's able to tame or soften this "bug", but that's unlikely to happen IMO.

As for Cerci, man he looks completely out of shape. Every time I see him play, he reminds me of some past big player who's still (somehow) in form but out of shape. I don't know what to say, but Cerci isn't exactly starting material, at least not for now.

I agree as well, but atm, things don't look like they're about to change, at least not until summer. And I do think that giving him a more restricted role will sort of "tame" those urges, so to speak. Obviously it won't fix things completely but at least it would help out a bit

With Cerci, I think you know I was a firm no on the Cerci deal. But he's here now, and to not use him while you're playing Honda or Bonaventura on the wing is just ridiculous

And I don't think he's that out of shape, at least not anymore than the rest of our players (who I've pointed out multiple times this season how ridiculously out of shape they look in each game). You also have to take into consideration that he's not been playing regularly throughout this season, even while in Spain. As opposed to last season where he was the first name on the team sheet for Toro. He needs continuity, and the fact that him and Pippo are rumoured to not be getting along does not help in that regard
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Cerci just needs playing time. He'll give what he can give, which is surely more than what Honda or even Bona offer on the wing.
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Then there's Suso. Who must have had an affair with Pippo's wife or something. His complete absence from the first team or even being used as a sub is bizarre.
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