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 Dec 16 2014, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 16 2014, 12:40 PM)  I think he meant sustained over a period. Finishing 5th and 3rd when you're the 3rd best team in the league isn't an almighty achievement. Winning it and making the CL final, is. So that's 1 great season and a couple of more or less expected ones. There's also a long way to go to say he's challenging this season. Unless you consider Southampton/West Ham to be challengers in England Yep, that's about it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Dec 16 2014, 12:47 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun  Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
I think you guys fail to understand the fact that with those players it's very, very difficult achieving what Simeone did. Except for Courtois and Diego Costa, everyone else they've had have just been average. No world class payers, no exceptional standout individuals, just a bunch of hard-working, dedicated players who Simeone trained so well that not only they give their 100% in every game, but they're also playing better than what their skills allow them to. That's a great coach right there.
Besides, he also won the Europa League in 2012 (along with the UEFA Super Cup) and the Copa del Rey in 2013. There's the consistency you guys want. |
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Dec 16 2014, 04:13 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 16 2014, 09:40 AM) I think he meant sustained over a period. Finishing 5th and 3rd when you're the 3rd best team in the league isn't an almighty achievement. Winning it and making the CL final, is. So that's 1 great season and a couple of more or less expected ones. Harsh. When he took over Atletico they weren't the third best team in Spain. In 2010 they were 9th in the league for heavens' sake. Falcao was the difference in Europe and basically won the UEL for them. Simeone's first season he got 5th, then 3rd, then 1st. 3 years of solid progression and for Barca and Real to have spent big and him losing half his best players this summer yet STILL up there in the top 3 says everything for his skills. QUOTE There's also a long way to go to say he's challenging this season. Unless you consider Southampton/West Ham to be challengers in England Southampton and West Ham didn't win the EPL last season (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I take your point but Simeone's stock is only getting bigger. And he's still sustaining his team despite losing a lot of his best players. |
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Dec 16 2014, 04:15 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2014, 11:47 AM) I think you guys fail to understand the fact that with those players it's very, very difficult achieving what Simeone did. Except for Courtois and Diego Costa, everyone else they've had have just been average. No world class payers, no exceptional standout individuals, just a bunch of hard-working, dedicated players who Simeone trained so well that not only they give their 100% in every game, but they're also playing better than what their skills allow them to. That's a great coach right there. Besides, he also won the Europa League in 2012 (along with the UEFA Super Cup) and the Copa del Rey in 2013. There's the consistency you guys want. Amen. Truth is his Interista connections make him very unpopular in our support, as does some of his admittedly poor behaviour. But anyone dismissing his coaching credentials is being very short-sighted. |
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Dec 16 2014, 06:39 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 16 2014, 01:47 PM) I think you guys fail to understand the fact that with those players it's very, very difficult achieving what Simeone did. Except for Courtois and Diego Costa, everyone else they've had have just been average. That's 2 World class players. Which other clubs not named Barcelona or Madrid have more than 2 World class players in Spain? Fillipo and I have said that he did have a great season (winning the title/CL final) but finishing 3rd and 5th? That wasn't anything special, no other clubs in Spain really have that many good players. Certainly not at the Courtois/Cost/Luis/Koke level. |
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Dec 16 2014, 11:52 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 16 2014, 06:39 PM) That's 2 World class players. World class? Those two? Hah, not even close. By all means, they're great, but 'world class' is an entire different category. QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 16 2014, 06:39 PM) Fillipo and I have said that he did have a great season (winning the title/CL final) but finishing 3rd and 5th? That wasn't anything special, no other clubs in Spain really have that many good players. Certainly not at the Courtois/Cost/Luis/Koke level. Why do you ignore what I said in the rest of my post? Simeone as Atletico coach: 11/12 - Europa League 12/13 - UEFA Super Cup, Copa del Rey 13/14 - La Liga, Supercopa de España, Champions League runners-up That, my friend, is impressive. |
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Dec 17 2014, 03:44 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
It's good, sure. A much lesser Atletico won the Europa League too and Super Cup isn't a real trophy. Nobody is saying he did a bad job. But as Fillipo and I keep saying. Having a good few years and only 1 great one doesn't make you a great coach.
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Jan 7 2015, 09:59 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 9,420 Joined: 14-August 09 Member No.: 6,730 |
Well his latest signing is having a 'mare. No idea why Atleti took Torres back, but it's the Milan Torres out there tonight.
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Jan 7 2015, 11:13 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 6,098 Joined: 24-February 10 From: Lebanon Member No.: 7,239 |
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 7 2015, 11:59 PM) Well his latest signing is having a 'mare. No idea why Atleti took Torres back, but it's the Milan Torres out there tonight. Sentimental reasons, perhaps. Maybe, even financial? He's selling shirts like crazy. |
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Jan 8 2015, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jan 7 2015, 10:13 PM) Sentimental reasons, perhaps. Maybe, even financial? He's selling shirts like crazy. Fair point. Why Honda was signed for us. |
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Jan 16 2015, 01:14 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
Mourinho's reaction to Torres scoring two goals against Madrid:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=833008...e=2&theater (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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Feb 5 2015, 02:40 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
CR7 makes 30 today. Jeez, time flies... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Feb 6 2015, 03:45 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 8,034 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Pakistan Member No.: 3,873 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 5 2015, 03:40 PM) CR7 makes 30 today. Jeez, time flies... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Read on goal that some Canadian university will be offering a module on CR7 |
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Feb 6 2015, 04:04 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Feb 6 2015, 03:45 PM) Read on goal that some Canadian university will be offering a module on CR7 Module? You mean like a course? |
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Feb 6 2015, 07:00 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 8,034 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Pakistan Member No.: 3,873 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 6 2015, 05:04 PM) Module? You mean like a course? not the whole course, just one optional subject http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2015/...TP_HN_HP_RI_1_2 |
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