I'm not so sure about Pippo being able to do that, he clearly sees him as a winger, when imo, he clearly isn't one.

Sure he's fast, but he's not a good dribbler, and you need that if you're being played in the inverted winger position Pippo has him playing in.

For me he's a striker, I'd rather see him in a front duo next to Menez with Honda or Bonaventura in behind them, it just makes more sense than the ridiculous flat 4-3-3 we usually play when we don't have any real wingers aside from Menez who's never even played on the wings anyway

Does he now? I see no potential whatsoever. Pato when we signed him, now he had potential. SES is just an overrated player, nothing else.

Overrated? Sure. Totally agree on that

The level of bad that you, Danny and kurt make him out to be? No.

If we sell him now it will be our loss because I'm 100% sure he'd do well in a properly functioning team that is well coached.

Would he? You say Allegri can't coach and that's the only time he was good. So his performances don't really have anything to coaching.

It's easy to see that he doesn't have much to his game. He's fairly quick, but doesn't exactly have elite speed that's usually needed to make up for his lack of size. The technical side of his game is very poor, that's generally something you learn at a young age and won't change now. His finishing is very mediocre.

He's had 3 different coaches during his time at Milan, it's the same thing we're seeing with DS as he hasn't really been in good form since his first season.

As for Allegri, let's not start again with him, you say he's good, I say he's probably one of the worst coaches I've seen in my time as a Milan fan having endured him for 3 and a half years.

I do credit Allegri though with Abate's development as a FB, with introducing DS into the team and giving him an opportunity on that left side and with SES as well who shined for us in probably one of our most dire moments in the past decade

As for SES in general, I think that under the right guidance with a coach who can really utilise his abilities, he'd flourish, especially if he's put into a properly functioning team. If you'd say put him in a Roma or Dortmund I think he'd do great things

You know an SES fan is getting desperate by saying he's suffering as badly as MDS.

It wasn't about Allegri and I was looking at it from your point of view. SES has been crap 75% of the time. The only time he was good was under Allegri. Allegri (in your POV) is a crap coach, so clearly him performing well was nothing to do with his coaching, as he has only had bad coaches.

If you don't have technical ability, you need physical traits. SES has little of either.

Juve looking to sign Falcao in January. Not Milan news but we've been linked with him a lot over the past 6 months. Unfortunately he's a pale imitation of the Porto and Atleti Falcao he once was. Shame, could have been an all-time great if not for that ACL.

It's obviously different with a striker and a defender because with strikers it's something more tangible that can be grasped in terms of performances, he's scoring = doing well, not scoring = sh!t. With a defender it's far more subjective

DS hasn't been in any sort of decent form for a long while now, how you (of all people) can now try to deny that fact is beyond me since you have been very critical of DS.

We've been talking about his positioning for months now (and I'm totally with you on that), how it's because he was being played on the right and now that he's on the left he's still been massively off colour this season

As for being a fan of SES, I'm not really a huge fan, I think he's talented, but what mostly fuels my defence of him here is the bashing he gets for no good reason aside from struggling for form after an entire season out. You know, with Balo I didn't agree with you guys but I understood where you were coming from, he was not producing what was expected and the extra baggage he brings along with him is just too much hassle to deal with if he's not producing on the pitch.

But I just don't get the very obvious ire some of you guys have towards SES. Even if he's not producing right now, he's always behaved as a model professional, always puts in 110% on the pitch and even when not scoring still puts in a major shift in for the team, I've never personally read anything about his personal life or how he leads it that would make me believe he's wasting away his opportunity partying, etc. And I guess that is why I personally make it a point to defend him.

Listen, if he's sold as soon as the window opens I'm not going to cry my eyes out over it (I'd personally be interested to see how he does for another team), he's not someone I hang all my hopes and dreams for the future of Milan over, I think he has potential, which is why I'm willing to wait him out a bit longer and see how he develops


Like I said above, I may not give Allegri much credit but I do credit him for giving certain players chances to really bloom, Abate being one of them, he found himself as a RB under Allegri, same with DS. And same thing with SES.

That being said, his time under Allegri as coach was mostly spent in turmoil, with the coach constantly under pressure and the team sinking to new lows each week. It's not exactly a great environment to really grow as a player, then he had last season which was completely injury riddled. I really don't understand what you guys are expecting from SES at this current point

I know players like Messi have given people insurmountable expectations of what players of SES' age should be capable of but that's really not the reality, what was Ronaldo doing at 22? What was Ibra doing at 22?

As for his characteristics, imo, he is very fast and he is a good finisher. Imo, he's a striker not a winger, which is what's holding him back most now.


I don't think any Italian team has any hope in hell of being able to finance Falcao

Yes, because for one full season MDS had been really poor. He's finally come out of that slump in his last few appearances before injury.

But one full season where the whole team was really terrible isn't quite the same as the 4 years SES hasn't produced, 4 months aside.



Actually if you remember that heatmap I showed you, most the goals he scored during his peak period were from the left. It's where he's mostly played at Milan.



And that is your right, but it is equally our right to castigate him for being astonishingly bad.



48 months is long enough. I'm done with him.

I don't think he was really coming out of anything in those last few games, I personally always think he's solid defensively but he's been terrible going forward for a while now, and that hasn't really changed this season in any of the games imo

As for SES, I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that it's been 4 years of him being terrible, you make it sound like he came here as some big star not as the teenage prospect that he was and we knew nothing about...

SES' first season he was mostly used as a sub/Coppa player, don't forget that season we still had Ibra, Robinho, Pato and the rest of the gang, it's understandable that a kid making the jump from Serie B to Serie A with those names ahead of him on the team sheet wouldn't make a huge splash, but he did still have some memorable moments that season (that great, crucial goal vs Udine springs to mind)

His second season he was on fire and topping the scoring charts at one point along with Cavani, this while the team was badly struggling. Yes he faded away in the second part of that season, no arguments there.

Last season, what can you say about last season? He was injured for nearly the entirety of it, how that can translate to another horrible season by your account is beyond me

This season again, he's been bad, agree there, but he's started what 10 games? If that.


I was talking about DS there because of Seedorf moving him to the right last season and we (you and I) were blaming his performances on that


True, my bafflement mostly comes from the sheer vitriol that comes with it, it actually feels like SES did something bad to you guys, I just don't understand that part of it. I understand being disappointed and giving up on him, but for example, the zero and calling him names in your rating when he barley played for 5 minutes? Just totally unnecessary. If it was anyone else, you'd have flagged Pippo for being an @sshole for bringing him on so late on


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I am a fan of SES, contrary to many of the viewpoints on here. His best years for this team came when he was the central player in our system. His first year here he was never going to be the leader of the team with Ibra, Robinho, Pato all in front of him. Then we cleared house and he went on a run of great form scoring 14 goals in the league before January. Then we brought in Balotelli, and he became second fiddle again.

When he is out there he gives it all for the team, and I believe that it is just a matter of time before he finds his form again. I honestly believe that he is suited to play as a second striker, as it has been pointed out many times that he is not a dribbler in the mold of Menez, Taarabt, or a player like Gervinho for Roma. I do think he is a good finisher, and his best position is playing off of a Central Striker who can absorb pressure from the central backs.

I see no problem with hanging on to a young player with potential, especially when the alternatives are players with a piss poor attitude, and worse work ethic. At least El Sha will defend and give it all to the team when he isn't scoring goals.

Teenage prospect or otherwise he's been a disappointment.



I didn't call him names? I said his performance was shite. I never call players names. Zero because he was just terrible. Actually no it was a wise substitution because Menez was absolutely spent (and mildly injured) and we needed quick fresh legs to take us over the last 5 or so minutes. The 5 minutes which were vital. It didn't really matter WHO Pippo brought on there, had it been Torres, Pazzo or SES - we need fresh legs to hold the ball up as much as possible.

As for Pippo being an *sshole, he was one when he brought MvG on for literally 30 seconds a few matches ago. That was just an insult. But 5+ minutes when you need fresh legs up top? Wise sub. Even if SES didn't play well.

SES is actually very, very popular among the fanbase. He's not on this forum, but the wider support loves the guy's freakin' guts. So you're maybe in minority here but majority support-wide.

Ok so Taarabt was dating this girl i meant in london yesterday, she claims he's moving back to Milan in January. He drinks almost every night, stays up till 2/3am and wakes up to train at 7am. This habit because he is not happy at qpr.

She added, before going to Milan he rarely drank, didnt even stay up late. But since he came back to london, he has picked up bad habits.

Not aure if she is full of ahite or not, but im hoping we can take him on in jan. He has what it takes to do well at 'this' milan.