It's a very good return, yep. Disappointing to see Hutton have a total nightmare tonight though.


I think Kosovo's population is pretty much Albanian and they weren't treated very well by the Serbians when Kosovo was part of Serbia. Not totally sure why Serbia hate Albania though, I'm not aware of Albanians doing any wrong doing towards them.

What's this United Albania stuff about, X-Off?

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Oct 14 2014, 10:14 PM

Yes, I agree. His reaction was unnecessary, obviously stirred by the general situation. But I'm sure things would have spiraled out of control sooner or later. Their fans were already throwing things around the field, and they were so close to entering the pitch. The drone simply became the catalyst of an otherwise unavoidable outcome.

This game should have never been played with supporters. Either a closed doors game, or on neutral grounds.

Kurt is right, Kosovo is comprised 92% of Albanians. Before the Treaty of London in 1913, Kosovo was part of Albania, along with territories nowadays belonging to Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece. In that treaty, Albania was divided by the European powers, and Kosovo was handed over to Serbia. But it's always been inhabited by Albanians, even to this day. You're probably all aware of the Balkan wars, and the absolute genocide Kosovo had to suffer at the hands of Milosevic.

To put it simply, Serbia hate us, and they consider Kosovo a part of their own. And that's something we've never accepted. It's a very hot matter, something which UEFA should have taken into consideration.

Looks like they're still hung over from all the celebrating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozItK5mWZY#t=128

Disgraceful.

He didn't really, just one mistake which led to a goal. Otherwise he was fine.

I only saw the highlights, but I felt like he was at fault for the 2nd too and the late Lewandowski chance.

Glad you felt otherwise though!

I think Serbia-Albania should be played without any fans in the stadium. Giving Albania a win would set a very dangerous precedent.

Let's just start flying Nazi flag drones over Germany home games. When they rightfully get offended and flip their ****, they get a loss.

I don't think it's that simple. Like I said, the drone was the catalyst of an otherwise unavoidable outcome. The tension was palpable before and during the match. Even though no Albanian supporters were allowed, there was an atmosphere of hostility. The whole stadium was constantly chanting phrases of absolute hatred that would be inappropriate for me to write here. I'm fairly certain that the simplest of instances, like a goal from our side would have stirred the situation in the chaos that eventually ensued.

Should we get the 3 points? I think so. It's only fair. The drone had nothing to do with us. Reports say that it was orchestrated by some Albanian kid from Macedonia. Our players and staff were heavily abused by hooligans and stadium security. The Serbian FA has to take responsibility for everything that happened. Even if they don't give us the 3 points, I would be very disappointed if UEFA take punishments in our regards as well.

I wouldn't trust UEFA to make the right decision. After all, it's them idiots that allowed you to be in the same group. Madness.

Seven things you need to know about the Serbia-Albania match violence in Belgrade

The matter has become strictly political now. Serbian heads of state are accusing our government, saying that the drone was their doing in an attempt of provocation.

Now, I'm obviously going to sound completely biased here, but I think this is madness. In other words, instead of distancing themselves and condemning the violence of their people last night, they are doing the complete opposite, and creating absurd alibis to frame the opposition.

I'm sorry, but everybody knows that Serbia is not new to such shenanigans. Just two recent events that spring to mind:

England victory over Serbia marred by racism and violence

Italy v Serbia called off after seven minutes due to crowd trouble

And you're saying, that after all the photographic and filmed evidence from last night, we are at fault? We did absolutely nothing! The only thing our players did was react to the flag being pulled down and to their teammates being abused by fans and hooligans, which is only a natural reaction when you're surrounded by 20,000 people yelling that they want to kill you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

If Albania aren't punished for what their supporters (present or not) have done it sets a dangerous precedent.

Look at Inter and the flare - their supporters, their punishments. It's the way it works.

I agree though that both sides have caused the mayhem here and the flag was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

You mean the drone? Yeah, that was a d*ck move from whoever did it. But does it constitute the grounds for punishment? I'm not so sure. We don't know who commanded the damn thing. For all we know, it could have been someone completely unrelated that just wanted to stir the Serbs up. And you certainly can't compare it to 20,000 people loudly booing your anthem, throwing hard objects on the pitch, using derogatory terms and chanting in chorus that they want to kill you. How would you feel playing under such circumstances?

Not biased, just talking sense. It's a crazy accusation to make.