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post Sep 16 2006, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2006, 02:39 AM)
The WC was a whole different scenario, Pirlo was basically Italies only source of creative outlet for the whole team because of Totti's condition. he was even dropping back in defence to pick up the ball from a defender and start passing the ball around the midfield. With Italy all the responsability was put upon him, and he showed to the world that he can be a leader. At milan it's different and he knows that and I'm sure he doesn't have any problem with it.

First: Pirlo is always, and WAS always in Milan as a creative midfielder. He isn't playing the role of DM or somebody else fully. But when Ronaldinho arrives he'll be shut at back and his role will be just passing the ball from defenders to Kaka or Ronaldinho. This will make his beautiful game worse. He won't have his freedom in the field, which is needed for a creative midfielder.
WC just showed what he is capeable of and we should use it.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2006, 02:39 AM)
Pirlo would never leave why would he not want to play in a role that has made him famous. If he had stayed at Inter or any other club for that matter and continued to play in that attacking midfielder role, I don't think he would have ever made it and might have even been sold to a middlt table team. I'm sure that Pirlo is very grateful to be at Milan, doing what he does best, which is playing in a deep-lying-playm,aker role, which is the role that is best suited for him
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post Sep 16 2006, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (GULLIVER @ Sep 16 2006, 03:52 PM)
First: Pirlo is always, and WAS always in Milan as a creative midfielder. He isn't playing the role of DM or somebody else fully. But when Ronaldinho arrives he'll be shut at back and his role will be just passing the ball from defenders to Kaka or Ronaldinho. This will make his beautiful game worse. He won't have his freedom in the field, which is needed for a creative midfielder.
WC just showed what he is capeable of and we should use it.
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I never said that Pirlo is a DM, he is a deep-lying-playmaker, which is a totally different thing to a DM. That's why he has Rino to cover for him, so he doesn't have any defensive duties. In the WC he had 2 or even 3 (when Camoranesi didn't play) DMs covering for him (perrotta and Rino). That's why he was that free to express himself creatively.

But we play a totally different system to that of Italy. We have to adapt our system to the type of players we have, and I can't really see us play in a 4-4-1-1 system to accomodate just Pirlo, it's just not realistic.
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post Sep 16 2006, 08:44 PM
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btw, sine is the R10 thread, I just read on the eurosport headlines that R10 is about to extend his contract and the pay will be 12 million Euros per year
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post Sep 16 2006, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2006, 07:44 PM)
btw, sine is the R10 thread, I just read on the eurosport headlines that R10 is about to extend his contract and the pay will be 12 million Euros per year
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I read that too. Barcelona wants to extend until 2014.

Well, Don Silvio is now probably going to give 15M per season. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PS: What if R10 refuses to renew with Barça? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Oh... Of course he's not going to do that...
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post Sep 16 2006, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 16 2006, 08:39 PM)
I read that too. Barcelona wants to extend until 2014.

Well, Don Silvio is now probably going to give 15M per season.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PS: What if R10 refuses to renew with Barça?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Oh... Of course he's not going to do that...
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Why would someone in his right mind refuse 12 mil per season.

Still a contract doesn't mean anything now adays. If he would want to leave I don't think Barca would hold him back. It's up to Silvio to make it happen, and you know what he said, he WANTS him, and what silvio wants silvio gets
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post Sep 16 2006, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2006, 09:46 PM)
Why would someone in his right mind refuse 12 mil per season.

Still a contract doesn't mean anything now adays. If he would want to leave I don't think Barca would hold him back. It's up to Silvio to make it happen, and you know what he said, he WANTS him, and what silvio wants silvio gets
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If Ronaldinho renews, then I guess we could say goodbye to him and look somewhere else. My dream still remains Torres, I would love to see him in the Milan jersey.
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post Sep 16 2006, 10:20 PM
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sh1t I'm still confused ... I can't tell for sure if I want the b1tch or not!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/freak.gif)
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post Sep 16 2006, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Sep 17 2006, 12:20 AM)
sh1t I'm still confused ... I can't tell for sure if I want the b1tch or not!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/freak.gif)
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(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
And you don't know for sure if the b1tch wants us or not (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 16 2006, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 17 2006, 12:26 AM)

yeah ... it seems that I don't know sh1t (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Sep 16 2006, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 16 2006, 09:12 PM)
If Ronaldinho renews, then I guess we could say goodbye to him and look somewhere else. My dream still remains Torres, I would love to see him in the Milan jersey.
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Not necissarily, contract, like rules are made to be dishonered. Ask a formaer player of ours (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And why do you want Torres so much? I for one think that he isn't made for serie A football, he is a typical La Liga player, fast and agile, but not as strong and physical. I know I shouldn't judge before I ACTUALLY see him play (if he ever comes) for Milan, but I just have a bad feeling about him, that we would spend sh!t loads of cash on him and he would flop
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post Sep 17 2006, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 16 2006, 11:42 PM)
And why do you want Torres so much? I for one think that he isn't made for serie A football, he is a typical La Liga player, fast and agile, but not as strong and physical. I know I shouldn't judge before I ACTUALLY see him play (if he ever comes) for Milan, but I just have a bad feeling about him, that we would spend sh!t loads of cash on him and he would flop
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He's a top class striker. Players like him never fail, whoever they're playing for. Serie A is not that difficult like some people say. I would consider EPL much more difficult.
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post Sep 17 2006, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2006, 02:41 AM)
He's a top class striker. Players like him never fail, whoever they're playing for. Serie A is not that difficult like some people say. I would consider EPL much more difficult.
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They do fail ... Serie A and EPL are difficult in their own way, I don't think it can be compared!!
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post Sep 17 2006, 10:13 AM
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I think that I have decided (for now) : I don't want us to get Ronaldinho. First of all because our defence needs rejuvanation, we all know that. Secondly we've never before bought a player that big and I don't want us to do that now.
Thirdly we should look for younger alternatives of what Silvio think Dinho is is; I mean we should go for players like Porto's Anderson (who Barcelona are already scouting on) that I'm pretty sure that in some years Silvio will be like (IMG:http://www.coolsmileys.net/affection/hubba3.gif) for!!!!
And last but not least, IMO the Kaká-Gourcuff duo will be much more beautiful and appealing than the Kaká-Gaucho one!!!


anyway ... my delusional self will probably come up with some reasons why we must get Ronaldinho later on this year (/week) ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Sep 17 2006, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Sep 17 2006, 09:42 AM)
They do fail...
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Just admit you hate Torres and we'll all have a happy weekend. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 17 2006, 06:38 PM)
Just admit you hate Torres and we'll all have a happy weekend. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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I don't hate Torres ... I even like the kid - more now than ever since he shaved that stupid haircut - but he's a Spaniard; they do not make it in Italy and I believe in "legacy"!!!

Enjoy your weekend, I do!!!
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