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post May 23 2014, 06:55 AM
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I'm just wondering how a coach with no experience in Italy even as a player, and who probably doesn't speak the language is going to fit in.

We're not giving any thought to this. Bring in Seedorf coz it worked with Pep and Barca. Now bring in Emery coz it worked with Roma? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Danny, the 389 million Man U have is total debt. I believe they need to pay only a smaller amount year on year as repayment.

Their revenues mean they can spend the cash and be within FFP.

I think after wages (110 gross) and considering the reduced revenue (220 million - CL money and sponsor bonuses), we'll be stuck with some 20-40 million in cash to spend on transfers AND new wages.

I see no world class player coming in without massive sales.
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post May 23 2014, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 06:55 AM) *
I'm just wondering how a coach with no experience in Italy even as a player, and who probably doesn't speak the language is going to fit in.

We're not giving any thought to this. Bring in Seedorf coz it worked with Pep and Barca. Now bring in Emery coz it worked with Roma? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Danny, the 389 million Man U have is total debt. I believe they need to pay only a smaller amount year on year as repayment.

Their revenues mean they can spend the cash and be within FFP.

I think after wages (110 gross) and considering the reduced revenue (220 million - CL money and sponsor bonuses), we'll be stuck with some 20-40 million in cash to spend on transfers AND new wages.

I see no world class player coming in without massive sales.

The key to this is getting rid of the dead weight that is hiking up that wage bill to such embarrassingly massive proportions.

When you consider where we finished and where Juve finished this season and compare our wage bills it's really an abomination when it comes to running a football club
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post May 23 2014, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 23 2014, 02:49 PM) *
When you consider where we finished and where Juve finished this season and compare our wage bills it's really an abomination when it comes to running a football club

Let's kick Galliani out first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) And then we'll talk about running a football club.
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post May 23 2014, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 06:55 AM) *
Danny, the 389 million Man U have is total debt. I believe they need to pay only a smaller amount year on year as repayment.

Their revenues mean they can spend the cash and be within FFP.


Yeah, exactly.

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I am praying Agazzi has been signed as third choice. Abbiati has been extended for a year and he's apparently going to be number 2 now. So here's hoping a decent bloody keeper comes in as our new first choice.

If I subscribe to you and Han's praise of Mexes and Rami, then we get Santon at RB and have DS/Cissokho at LB and that would be ok.

De Jong for sure in midfield. But the other 5 slots are completely requiring surgery and we desperately need to spend a LOT of cash to get quality of the level required there.


You forgot Poli, El Shaarawy and Balotelli. I won't lie, Balotelli should be sold and replaced with someone like Immobile. But even so, he has to be considered as a first choice player. And personally I would include Honda as well. Haven't given up on him. Hopefully a good WC boosts his morale, and the next coach plays him in an adequate position on a constant basis.
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post May 23 2014, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 05:55 AM) *
Danny, the 389 million Man U have is total debt. I believe they need to pay only a smaller amount year on year as repayment.


I...didn't say otherwise?
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post May 23 2014, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 23 2014, 09:19 AM) *
You forgot Poli, El Shaarawy and Balotelli. I won't lie, Balotelli should be sold and replaced with someone like Immobile. But even so, he has to be considered as a first choice player. And personally I would include Honda as well. Haven't given up on him. Hopefully a good WC boosts his morale, and the next coach plays him in an adequate position on a constant basis.


I didn't forget Poli but that's two managers in a row who refuse to give him a run. I really like the guy but he's getting a raw deal at Milan and should leave for the sake of his own career.

El-Sha will be sold this summer if an good offer comes in.

Balo remains an enigma who disappears too often for my liking. I agree with you that he's a first choice player, but that's a first choice player in THIS Milan and the point of my signing new players is to replace THIS Milan with a good one.

As for Honda, another one who is being wasted by the manager. Add to that the fish out of water scenario and I don't hold out much hope for him.
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post May 23 2014, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2014, 11:21 AM) *
I didn't forget Poli but that's two managers in a row who refuse to give him a run. I really like the guy but he's getting a raw deal at Milan and should leave for the sake of his own career.


Yeah, that's why a new capable coach will see how good the guy can be for us.

QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2014, 11:21 AM) *
El-Sha will be sold this summer if an good offer comes in.


Nah, not happening, trust me.

QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2014, 11:21 AM) *
Balo remains an enigma who disappears too often for my liking. I agree with you that he's a first choice player, but that's a first choice player in THIS Milan and the point of my signing new players is to replace THIS Milan with a good one.


I agree.

QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2014, 11:21 AM) *
As for Honda, another one who is being wasted by the manager. Add to that the fish out of water scenario and I don't hold out much hope for him.


Same as with Poli, he can be good for us if used properly.
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post May 23 2014, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ May 23 2014, 03:39 AM) *
Not actually true. Man Utd remain heavily in debt - £389M of it in fact. Furthermore while they are third most valuable football club on earth, we're not far behind in 8th (placings valid as of this month). We do have cash, quite a lot of it. It's just that we also have an owner completely unwilling to spend. Or he has been up till now. Here's praying Daddy's Little Angel can persuade Pops to open his wallet, and indeed she has said there will be investment.

I am praying Agazzi has been signed as third choice. Abbiati has been extended for a year and he's apparently going to be number 2 now. So here's hoping a decent bloody keeper comes in as our new first choice.

If I subscribe to you and Han's praise of Mexes and Rami, then we get Santon at RB and have DS/Cissokho at LB and that would be ok.

De Jong for sure in midfield. But the other 5 slots are completely requiring surgery and we desperately need to spend a LOT of cash to get quality of the level required there.

I'd honestly say what I said we should have done in 2011. Spend at least 100M Euros. Yes. Really. Get in a sh*tload of top class players. Assuming it fits in FFP and given we have massive income but never spend anything, that surely fits the bill.

Don't disagree, but IMHO it is unlikely to happen. I believe we are already running at a deficit, which means 100M would probably violate FFP (and it looks like FFP has some bite now, though not much). More important, the way I see it, FFP is a convenient excuse for Berlu not to invest; the real reason is that he has been hit financially in recent years and is not willing to sink as much money in the club as he did in the past.
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post May 23 2014, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 23 2014, 10:49 AM) *
The key to this is getting rid of the dead weight that is hiking up that wage bill to such embarrassingly massive proportions.

When you consider where we finished and where Juve finished this season and compare our wage bills it's really an abomination when it comes to running a football club

Yop. However, IHMO the large salary burden is mostly a side effect of going after "zero cost" or "low cost" players (higher salary is what attracts them), and it does not look to me like Galliani is changing his approach. Would love to see us get rid of "dead wood", but most of these are the ones sitting on ridiculous salaries and thus unlikely to leave. (though getting rid of Robinho could be a good start).
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post May 23 2014, 03:13 PM
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Isn't Uniteds debt technically to the Glazers, as in they've loaned the club money to sign players, etc? If so, then it's not really true debt. Villa had the same and our owner just wiped it out.
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post May 23 2014, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 23 2014, 04:19 PM) *
The key to this is getting rid of the dead weight that is hiking up that wage bill to such embarrassingly massive proportions.

When you consider where we finished and where Juve finished this season and compare our wage bills it's really an abomination when it comes to running a football club


So I gave it some thought. Even if you went totally ruthless, and quite literally sold players to clubs for free just to get rid of wages, you'd maybe cover about 15-20 million in wages max?

Is that really enough to bring in top class players and cover their wages? Not to mention all the depth we lose in case of injury.

This season's transfer market will reflect this season's ambitions. A CL place. So I expect us to maybe bring in a left back, one more midfielder and get rid of a couple of players. Maybe a like for like replacement in a few cases.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 08:13 PM) *
This season's transfer market will reflect this season's ambitions. A CL place. So I expect us to maybe bring in a left back, one more midfielder and get rid of a couple of players. Maybe a like for like replacement in a few cases.

We need a lot more than a left back and a midfielder for top 3.

We'll be 4th/5th with Inter.
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post May 23 2014, 07:38 PM
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We will get Sharaawy back. Our defence is 'solid'. A new left back is what is missing. Midfield De Jong and Montolivo pick themselves. Honda probably will get one more chance at redemption. Then there is Sharaawy, Pazzini and Balo.

So with the exception of one top midfielder, I think our first team for a CL place attack is more or less set. The rest will be swaps for the reasons of depth.

FWIW, I do believe that team above with the right chemistry can mount a CL challenge.
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post May 23 2014, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 07:13 PM) *
So I gave it some thought. Even if you went totally ruthless, and quite literally sold players to clubs for free just to get rid of wages, you'd maybe cover about 15-20 million in wages max?

Is that really enough to bring in top class players and cover their wages? Not to mention all the depth we lose in case of injury.

This season's transfer market will reflect this season's ambitions. A CL place. So I expect us to maybe bring in a left back, one more midfielder and get rid of a couple of players. Maybe a like for like replacement in a few cases.

I don't think you're factoring the massive taxes they pay along with those wages, that's wy it goes as high up as 120m per year
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post May 23 2014, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 23 2014, 06:38 PM) *
We will get Sharaawy back. Our defence is 'solid'. A new left back is what is missing. Midfield De Jong and Montolivo pick themselves. Honda probably will get one more chance at redemption. Then there is Sharaawy, Pazzini and Balo.

So with the exception of one top midfielder, I think our first team for a CL place attack is more or less set. The rest will be swaps for the reasons of depth.

FWIW, I do believe that team above with the right chemistry can mount a CL challenge.


New left back? You've given up on DS?
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