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KillerMax
post Nov 16 2013, 12:32 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 15 2013, 05:39 PM) *
I disagree.

Yes, Milan do need a new strategy and a new management. But why not exactly with old heroes? Sacchi and Capello both had successful second terms. Ancelotti moved away and did a good job with all his clubs. This is a new Milan and will be a new Milan for him, so I don't see how for example calling him back in a coach or even management role would seem as moving backwards. Same goes for other names. We've gotta build around our past heroes, because sadly, the past is one of the few things we still have left.

As Allegri, Galliani and others managed to squander many aspects of our identity and year-long reputation, we've gotta move back to what made us successful in the first place. Since Berlusconi is old and not exactly the face of success anymore, we've gotta do it with the Maldini's, Albertini's and Ancelotti's.

I don't see how past heroes and new strategies collide in a negative way.


First of all, I 100% disagree that neither Capello nor Sacchi had successful second terms. If winning absolutely nothing and getting the sack after one season for either of them is called success, then go ahead... Call me CRAAZY!

Second of all, People like Carlo, Maldini, Albertini and other Milan legends are so welcome to be a part of Milan's new directors/staff. But recycling their old roles and rehashing same old ideas is not my idea of a fresh start.
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post Nov 16 2013, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 16 2013, 02:32 AM) *
First of all, I 100% disagree that neither Capello nor Sacchi had successful second terms. If winning absolutely nothing and getting the sack after one season for either of them is called success, then go ahead... Call me CRAAZY!

Second of all, People like Carlo, Maldini, Albertini and other Milan legends are so welcome to be a part of Milan's new directors/staff. But recycling their old roles and rehashing same old ideas is not my idea of a fresh start.

I don't know what you're talking about? I've made a mistake with Sacchi, but Capello actually won us a bunch of staff in his second shot as a manager.

Recycling old roles? Only appointing Ancelotti as coach would mean we're recycling. Other then that, I don't recall any of the mentioned players doing anything for Milan.

Anyway, seems to me you just don't want Carlo back as coach. I'm okay with it, I just think we do need our heroes back, and not the Allegri's of this world.
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post Nov 16 2013, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 15 2013, 10:23 PM) *
Top of the World, yet not top of Italy. Only Carlo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


I'd take that over what we have now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 16 2013, 01:15 PM
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Yeah. I'd take 3 CL finals + 1 semi-final in 5 years over 2-3 scudetto's any day.
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post Nov 16 2013, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 16 2013, 12:18 AM) *
You are wrong. There are some that do.

I miss Seedorf's phat ***!
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post Nov 16 2013, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 16 2013, 07:28 PM) *
I miss Seedorf's phat ***!

That's has nothing to do with football though.
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post Nov 16 2013, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 16 2013, 02:15 PM) *
Yeah. I'd take 3 CL finals + 1 semi-final in 5 years over 2-3 scudetto's any day.

Each to their own.
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post Nov 16 2013, 06:32 PM
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Right now, I'd be satisfied with a win for a change.

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 16 2013, 05:39 PM) *
That's has nothing to do with football though.

It did make the games more fun to watch though.
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post Nov 16 2013, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 16 2013, 06:32 PM) *
Right now, I'd be satisfied with a win for a change.

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post Nov 16 2013, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 16 2013, 05:50 AM) *
I don't know what you're talking about? I've made a mistake with Sacchi, but Capello actually won us a bunch of staff in his second shot as a manager.

Recycling old roles? Only appointing Ancelotti as coach would mean we're recycling. Other then that, I don't recall any of the mentioned players doing anything for Milan.

Anyway, seems to me you just don't want Carlo back as coach. I'm okay with it, I just think we do need our heroes back, and not the Allegri's of this world.


Capello's second term was 97-98 and he won nothing. The caretaker job he took in 87 where he managed about 6 matches means nothing. His real first stint was from 91 to 96. Again you are wrong.

And I have no idea what you are talking about... I guess I should have clarified that AC Milan don't need their old coaches back... Obviously I would be happy with Milan champions (ex players) working in some capacity for the club.
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post Nov 16 2013, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 16 2013, 11:54 PM) *
Capello's second term was 97-98 and he won nothing. The caretaker job he took in 87 where he managed about 6 matches means nothing. His real first stint was from 91 to 96. Again you are wrong.

And I have no idea what you are talking about... I guess I should have clarified that AC Milan don't need their old coaches back... Obviously I would be happy with Milan champions (ex players) working in some capacity for the club.

Maybe it means nothing, but it's his first term. Second term was the best one, third was the one you call second (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Anyway, there's no point in arguing, since we agree mostly now. Milan does needs legends to get involved with the club. The thing we disagree upon is bringing back Ancelotti or even Capello. I don't think they would do badly, especially Carlo. He's made the distance but isn't out of touch when it comes to Serie A football like Capello. Don't see why we couldn't try.
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post Nov 17 2013, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 16 2013, 05:00 PM) *
Maybe it means nothing, but it's his first term. Second term was the best one, third was the one you call second (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


For the argument you are trying to make, 6 games is not first term. It just doesn't make any sense to say otherwise. Anyone else wants to weigh in here?
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post Nov 17 2013, 02:01 AM
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I agree with Max. In 1986 Capello was just an assistant manager that took over for a few games after Liedholm was fired and before Sacchi was appointed. Of course it doesn't count, other than some trivia question. His first real spell with us as a manager started in 1991.

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post Nov 17 2013, 03:35 AM
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Now here's a reasonable man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 17 2013, 09:31 AM
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Nah, it's really a trivia question. I count every shot as real manager, you guys obviously don't. But the difference is minimal.
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