And what phase of the project was signing Matri a part of Jack? Please explain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

great topic here

the summary of the milan class problem is management

Galliani
*its his genius idea to keep allegri as coach
*giving in to allegri's wish to sign matri and pay him stupendous wages, money that would have been better spent on keeping paloschi&petagna on our books
*his last good idea was to sign ibrahimovic
*the horror of each transfer window---selling t.silva&zlatan for ony 65m---the stupid purchases, traore, zaccardo(earning wages and playing just 2games since january)----passing on the good signings-ljajic,eriksen to mention a few
*if we cut down on the impulse signings and stupid wages perhaps our yearly losses won't be so high

Allegri
*this guy is just a bull, i don't understand how we announce at the start of the season that "hey serie-a and ecl opponents we're playing 4-3-1-2 this year"

*i thought coaching also involves changing the game plan as dictated by factors such as the opponent you're playing on the day, the squad you have available on the game day considering suspensions and injuries

i actually hope we go on some 4 or 5 game losing streak to rid ourselves of allegri, then maybe next year Galliani won't calls this many lousy shots, we're down and out this year

The phase where Pazzini is injured, you need someone of a proven similar calibre with CL experience, at the same time you're in a bit of a squeeze coz you need to make up the numbers vis-a-vis homegrown players.

It was a last minute desperation purchase and wouldn't have happened if Pazzo were fine.

Petagna I'm sure is what everyone thinks was the answer. Yes, just like Merkel was the answer before that, and Gourcuff before him.

Petagna is probably better off where he is, getting excellent exposure and regular playing time, in a non-pressured environment. Better for a youngster to figure shite out that like, than be pushed into a deep end having to lead a Milan frontline against the likes of Barca and co. regularly. Besides smaller club fans tend to love their players when they perform and not jeer as much if you can prove you're a trier. It's not the same for big clubs. Think of Niang.

You were 18 once. Were you an automaton solely focused on whatever career you wanted and have massive pressure thrown at you, or would you have liked to take things a bit more relaxed, with proper guidance and grow into your profession.

Yeah players aren't the answer until they're the answer. Young players get overrated.

There were simply other choices out there. NAMELY our own player (Paloschi). The biggest issue with Matri isn't a footballing one, it's the fact that it was a financial nightmare not to mentioned funding Juve's move for Tevez.

If there was a project, we would have simply brought back our own youth player for a fourth of what Matri will cost us in the long run. Had there been an actual plan in place they would have moved to bring in cover for Pazzo earlier since they knew he'd be missing a major part of the season.

I'm half convinced by this 'project' theory and half utterly dubious.

IMO last summer Silvio and Uncle Ad decided our outlay on wages was quite simply too much. Milan were getting a well-earned reputation as an old-folks' home with so many players over 30 on wages which were astronomical.

We could kill 2 birds with one stone by quite simply getting rid of as many as possible if not all, massively slashing the wage bill while bringing in more economically viable alternatives and reducing the age of the team.

Gone were the likes of Jankulovski, and in was Constant.

This was to be a new spell at Milan where we wouldn't expect to be challenging for every tournament we were in, where the wage outlay was much less and where we would no longer make regular heavyweight signings like Pirlo, Gilardino, Shevchenko, Pato, Kaka et al.

However, I don't believe strictly that we formulated a 'project'. I believe that's a spin doctoring way of justifying this new Milan, which has from being an excuse become the only option we now have.

The lack of ambition when Ancelotti left in bringing in Leonardo as an easy option replacement summed up, for me, the club's decision to no longer be the Milan our supporters expect and to instead go through a period of thrifty, borderline frugal fiscal policy which would one day lead us either to simply become Liverpool (massive club clinging onto its history which it won't emulate for a long time if ever) or to re-emerge Arsenal style with a marquee signing or two.

Arsenal have gone 8 years without any silverware, following a period where they were not only a CL finalist but were endowed with a completely world class team like Viera, Adams, Keown, Henry, Wright etc. They now hope Ozil plus their current consistency (bar that opening day loss) can see them push for the title.

We will either go the Liverpool route or the Arsenal one.

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Liverpool have spent more than Arsenal in the last couple of years as far as I know. Could be wrong.

Come on! For a while he was the world's best LB!

Indubitably! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/king.gif) Loved his game when he was here, was always a solid option, particularly in attack.

I can't agree there.

Who was better back in the day? The only rival in that position was Roberto Carlos and he was technically slightly before Jankulovski.

Ashley Cole and nobody else was even close to being in his league. I expect you to disagree, but that's my opinion on the matter.

Janku played as a LB for a very limited amount of time (3 seasons I think), he was never really particularly great at it but at the time the FB areas were our most problematic after losing guys like Cafu and Serginho and we spent years trying to replace them. Janku was always a stop gap solution.

He wasn't particularly good defensively, was decent offensively, but chipped in with spectacular goals at times which made him look better than he truly was

I have to say Cole and Evra were a lot better than him at the time. Especially Cole who's always been a great LB, even now, he's still one of the best ones around considering the shortage of talent in that area

I do, but I'd say the Ashley Cole of the past 3-5 years is a much better player than the one you say was better than Janku - I'd say the one he's been since WC 2010 (he was a titan during Chelsea's CL winning season) is better than Janku at his best (but before then for me Marek had the edge).



Can't agree a guy who made around 120 appearances in 6 seasons was a stop-gap. I also have no idea why you're referring to Cafu when he was, as you know, a RB. He's completely separate to this debate. In terms of LB Janku and Serge were basically the 2 players we used - Janku was first choice after a slow first season and Serge appeared less and less.



At the time Cole flattered to deceive - he has gotten so much better in the past 3-5 years and is now debatably the best in his position that England have produced. But he didn't use to be and was widely regarded as over-rated by many.

Evra is a fair shout, but again, his era has followed Marek's.

When Jankulovksi was at his peak around 2007 no one, for me anyway, could touch him. He won the CL with us and then if I'm not mistaken the super cup with a brilliant goal.

I should also point both you and el-Kurto in the direction of my comment which attests 'for a while'. And for me that was about a season and a half. 2007-2008 ish.

However, I will bow out, respectfully, having said my piece, and will leave it at that.