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 Apr 18 2013, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Apr 18 2013, 08:51 PM)  And as for Muntari, yes, it sort of does show that Muntari has little input in our team when he plays. Some people need a 'I told you so' slapped in their faces for defending him. |
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Apr 18 2013, 11:50 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 18 2013, 09:34 PM) Some people need a 'I told you so' slapped in their faces for defending him. And others for defending Nocerino. |
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Apr 19 2013, 12:33 AM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,491 Joined: 5-August 10 From: Buffalo, NY Member No.: 7,674 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Apr 18 2013, 07:50 PM) And others for defending Nocerino. The difference with Nocerino is that we have proof of his ability to play better than he has this season. Muntari has only ever ranged from terrible to almost decent. |
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Apr 19 2013, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Apr 19 2013, 02:33 AM) The difference with Nocerino is that we have proof of his ability to play better than he has this season. Muntari has only ever ranged from terrible to almost decent. Meh |
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Apr 19 2013, 08:35 AM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Apr 19 2013, 02:33 AM) The difference with Nocerino is that we have proof of his ability to play better than he has this season. Muntari has only ever ranged from terrible to almost decent. That's too much logic for CHU to handle. |
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Apr 19 2013, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2013, 10:35 AM) That's too much logic for CHU to handle. Hah! |
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Apr 19 2013, 03:11 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Full Members Posts: 1,491 Joined: 5-August 10 From: Buffalo, NY Member No.: 7,674 |
Haha Kurt any chance you can do the same analysis for last season to help our doubting friend?
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Apr 19 2013, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Apr 19 2013, 05:11 PM) Haha Kurt any chance you can do the same analysis for last season to help our doubting friend? If only |
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Sep 1 2013, 07:05 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,192 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
I'll just reply here instead of cluttering another thread.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 1 2013, 07:33 PM) Pazzini scored how many goals last season with the non existant Milan midfield behind him and how many goals did Matri score with Juve's world class midfield behind him? Last season Pazzini scored a goal every 109 minutes, Matri scored a goal every 125 minutes. Pazzini's record is better. But that doesn't really mean Matri's is bad. He scored 8 goals in 1,000 minutes in Serie A which is a pretty great record. For reference, SES scored a goal every 174 minutes last season. So nearly an hour more per goal than Matri. He's not World class, I don't think anyone is debating that. I think people are here are far too quick to throw around the "mediocre" tag though. Mediocre players don't finish as top scorer for Juventus in a title winning season. He's a good player and will chip in with some goals for us this season - something we desperately need with SES's poor form over the past 6 months and Pazzo injured. We cant just rely on Super Mario. I can see, and agree with, the arguement that the money could've been used elsewhere (AM), but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Sep 1 2013, 07:06 PM |
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Sep 12 2013, 05:51 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,192 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 12 2013, 12:27 PM) Just because you rate mediocre players that don't play for Milan very highly and underrate our players does not mean that I have to agree with it, especially when we spend millions we don't have to finance Juve's move for an ACTUAL top player to bring in said mediocre player. If he's so great explain to me why he's never called up for the Nazionale, why Juve were so quick to sell him at the first decent chance they gor, why Juve fans were foaming at the mouth at the prospect of selling him, why basically 99.99% of Milan fans absolutely cannot stand the fact that we signed him. A goal every 125 minutes last season is still 8 goals in a total of 22 appearances in the league with 0 assists as well. Osvaldo for example who had a similar number of appearances scored 16 and made 2 assists. Pazzini who had 30 appearances in total (15 of them off the bench) scored 15 and made 3 assists. Emeghara with 7 goals in 17 appearances. On stats Matri is simply similar to the likes of Gila, and Pinilla. Boriello ad Muriel both did better than him, one not even being a pure striker with the same amount of appearance as Matri. Worst of all, Alberto Paloshi, who is OUR player had less starts and 7 goals. Matri - goal every 125 Osvaldo - goal every 145 Paloschi - goal every 183 Muriel - goal every 126 Borriello - goal every 194 Gilardino - goal every 234 Emeghara - goal every 194 You're using stupid logic in "appearances". By your logic, someone who plays 1 minute in 38 games should have a better record than someone who plays 90 minutes in 1 game. That's why minutes are used. Matri's record is better than all those you mentioned - in comparison to the top strikers: Di Natale - goal every 117 Cavani - goal every 103 El Shaarawy - goal every 174 Klose - goal every 145 So he fits in with the better strikers, comfortably better than the man he'll likely replace in some games this season. As for Italy, coaches don't always make the correct decisions. Andy Cole barely played for England despite his ridiculous scoring record, it happens. I'm sure when I point out that Abate still has less than 15 caps there will no doubt be some backtracking. |
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Sep 12 2013, 06:10 PM
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Prima Squadra  Group: Moderators Posts: 39,640 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 12 2013, 05:51 PM) Matri - goal every 125 Osvaldo - goal every 145 Paloschi - goal every 183 Muriel - goal every 126 Borriello - goal every 194 Gilardino - goal every 234 Emeghara - goal every 194 You're using stupid logic in "appearances". By your logic, someone who plays 1 minute in 38 games should have a better record than someone who plays 90 minutes in 1 game. That's why minutes are used. Matri's record is better than all those you mentioned - in comparison to the top strikers: Di Natale - goal every 117 Cavani - goal every 103 El Shaarawy - goal every 174 Klose - goal every 145 So he fits in with the better strikers, comfortably better than the man he'll likely replace in some games this season. As for Italy, coaches don't always make the correct decisions. Andy Cole barely played for England despite his ridiculous scoring record, it happens. I'm sure when I point out that Abate still has less than 15 caps there will no doubt be some backtracking. Why should I backtrack on Abate? He is someone who took time to find his true identity in football, yet he's only 26, Matri is 29 and has no chance of being in that side. And yeah, every coach in the Azzurri these last decade or so made a simple mistake by avoiding Matri for the NT while guys like Gila get picked regularly, and not just by Prandelli Also, El Shaarawy got those numbers by playing on the wing, NOT as a striker. Goals per minute is just one way of looking at it nothing more, The other players which are on your first list also have assists to their names (Palo aside) which means they contribute more to their teams. Goals aside, Matri brings absolutely nothing to the team. Anyway, I know you won't change my mind and I won't change yours on this, let's discuss how he does around January when he'll have played a good amount of games for us and we'll see what he can contribute to the team aside from a couple of poached goals |
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Sep 12 2013, 06:19 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,192 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
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You make it sound like goals mean nothing. He's mobile and can hold up the ball, he'll be fine. |
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Sep 12 2013, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 19 2013, 10:35 AM) That's too much logic for CHU to handle. Yet you seem to agree with me now... |
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Sep 12 2013, 06:50 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,840 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 12 2013, 08:37 PM) Yet you seem to agree with me now... Agree about what? That Nocerino's been crap lately? Even a chair would agree with that. But he did have a great season two years ago, when you kept bashing him regardless. |
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Sep 12 2013, 06:52 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,640 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 12 2013, 06:19 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You make it sound like goals mean nothing. He's mobile and can hold up the ball, he'll be fine. He's mobile?? I've watched him MANY times for Juve (can't say the same about his Cagliari years) and he's far from a mobile player, and even for someone who just watched his 20 minutes for us against Cagliari it's clear that he's not a very strong target man - especially in the air - and is far from being mobile. He does certain simple things well but to say that he should be taking SES's spot is just ridiculous. Goals can mean winning 3 points for your team or making a score line look pretty. I didn't say they don't mean anything, but like I said previously, unless you're Pippo and have some seriously amazing returns, a player like Matri is becoming extinct in football. Simply because their game doesn't offer much else from a couple of goals a season, this is why Gila was sold first and foremost because he had a pretty good scoring record for us |
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