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post Jun 2 2013, 11:16 PM
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:14 PM
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post Jun 3 2013, 11:54 PM
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post Jun 4 2013, 12:11 AM
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Allegri > Capello > Sacchi
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post Jun 4 2013, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2013, 02:11 AM) *
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If you rely on numbers, yes. That's why stats don't show the whole story.
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post Jun 4 2013, 10:25 AM
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I'm surprised that Carlo beat out Capello in this regard. Considering he's an expert at getting points in the league.

Allegri in terms of points did very well in his first 2 seasons considering the team he had and the level of competition in the league especially when compared to the league Carlo, Fabio and Sacchi competed in.
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post Jun 4 2013, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2013, 12:25 PM) *
I'm surprised that Carlo beat out Capello in this regard. Considering he's an expert at getting points in the league.

Allegri in terms of points did very well in his first 2 seasons considering the team he had and the level of competition in the league especially when compared to the league Carlo, Fabio and Sacchi competed in.

? I don't follow you. Sacchi and Capello, even Ancelotti - all coached Milan in a great period for Serie A which was a million times more competitive then today's Serie A. So I really don't get what you're saying.

As for Capello, people forget that he had also some very poor seasons with Milan, for example finishing 10th. Only with Ancelotti we seem to remember all the bad and some of the good, while with more distant history - Capello and Sacchi - we tend to overlook much of the bad.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2013, 09:05 PM) *
? I don't follow you. Sacchi and Capello, even Ancelotti - all coached Milan in a great period for Serie A which was a million times more competitive then today's Serie A. So I really don't get what you're saying.

As for Capello, people forget that he had also some very poor seasons with Milan, for example finishing 10th. Only with Ancelotti we seem to remember all the bad and some of the good, while with more distant history - Capello and Sacchi - we tend to overlook much of the bad.


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post Jun 4 2013, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2013, 07:05 PM) *
? I don't follow you. Sacchi and Capello, even Ancelotti - all coached Milan in a great period for Serie A which was a million times more competitive then today's Serie A. So I really don't get what you're saying.

As for Capello, people forget that he had also some very poor seasons with Milan, for example finishing 10th. Only with Ancelotti we seem to remember all the bad and some of the good, while with more distant history - Capello and Sacchi - we tend to overlook much of the bad.

I think Serie A was better then, but then those coaches had significantly better teams than Allegri.

I 100% agree with your last line, not just in regards to who you mentioned, as in pretty much everything the bad gets overlooked when it comes to history.
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post Jun 4 2013, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2013, 12:05 AM) *
I think Serie A was better then, but then those coaches had significantly better teams than Allegri.

Well this statement above is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think, Kurt? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Those coaches had better teams because Serie A was better and much more competitive. Now Allegri had a pretty dandy squad with the world's best defender and world's best striker for two years (Ibra and Silva).

And while there was a dip in quality, it was kind of made up to a certain extent when we signed Balotelli.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2013, 06:05 PM) *
? I don't follow you. Sacchi and Capello, even Ancelotti - all coached Milan in a great period for Serie A which was a million times more competitive then today's Serie A. So I really don't get what you're saying.

As for Capello, people forget that he had also some very poor seasons with Milan, for example finishing 10th. Only with Ancelotti we seem to remember all the bad and some of the good, while with more distant history - Capello and Sacchi - we tend to overlook much of the bad.

I think you misunderstood and just repeated what I said. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

What I meant is that Allegri had a great team in his first 2 seasons while the competition in the league has been what it has (poor), while Carlo, Fabio and Sacchi, even though they had great teams competed in much tougher leagues, thus effecting those averages.
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post Jun 4 2013, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:00 PM) *
Well this statement above is a bit of an oxymoron, don't you think, Kurt? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Those coaches had better teams because Serie A was better and much more competitive. Now Allegri had a pretty dandy squad with the world's best defender and world's best striker for two years (Ibra and Silva).

And while there was a dip in quality, it was kind of made up to a certain extent when we signed Balotelli.

I agree regarding Silva and Ibra and he only had Balo for half a season, otherwise it's not particularly great. Boateng, Nocerino and numerous others played well, but they're pretty average players. Ibra raised their game IMO.

Carlo's bench would walk into this team. It's a sad reality of both Milan and Serie A. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jun 4 2013, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 4 2013, 08:15 PM) *
I agree regarding Silva and Ibra and he only had Balo for half a season, otherwise it's not particularly great. Boateng, Nocerino and numerous others played well, but they're pretty average players. Ibra raised their game IMO.

Carlo's bench would walk into this team. It's a sad reality of both Milan and Serie A. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

That's the main point here. At that time it was taken for granted that we hade Rui or Rivaldo or Pippo or Stam or whoever else sitting on the bench. But that was the reality then, not just for Milan but for most of the top teams in the league.

So by today's standards, aside from this season Allegri had a very strong squad, and he did have good players to count on from the bench as well
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post Jun 4 2013, 09:49 PM
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We had also more homegrown stars (or at least semi-homegrown) in our team that made it easier to have a good bench as well. But btw han, Stam wasn't a bench player at Milan, he was a RB or CB.
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