Cassano, Aquilani and Seedorf. Let's see what's wrong with all of those

Cassano. Heart problem, basically out for the entirety of last season
Aquilani, played some games at the start of the season, he was never really an integral player though, not like Monto for example. He got injured, we signed Muntari during the winter and Allegri didn't let him see the light of day again. He had 23 appearances, and a majority of them came from sub appearances. Yes pretty integral to the team (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Seedorf, another player who was mastly used as a utility guy to plug holes last season. Again, he was not an integral first 11 players for us

And there you go, once again saying that Juve had the better squad than us last season, which is the biggest load of bull you've ever come up with. You point out all the quality we had last season and then in the same sentence still say that Juve's rubbish team of last season was better than ours. Just ridiculous!

They started over 60 games between them and made over 30 sub appearances between them. So overall, 90 appearances, is a pretty decent contribution from 3 players.


Yes, which is why they went unbeaten and followed it up with another sensational season and good CL showing.

I said we downgraded our team, which we did. In no way have I said the above players are "quality", just that we've replaced them with lesser quality, which we have.

But I'm not going to get into this again, because we'll never agree.

I don't get what you're trying to say here. Silly? How's it silly? Ibra and Thiago were sold in July (or was it June?), so he had all the time in the world to re-organize his tactics and give another face to this team. He also knew that he would be getting a CB, a DM and a FW by the end of August. He should have realized that playing 4-3-1-2 without Ibra would have been difficult, but he still went with it and the results were disastrous. Then he went on changing formation and men in every single game. He tried 4-2-3-1, went back to 4-3-1-2 again, even tried 3-5-2 for a couple of games, and before he knew it, three months had passed and we were close to the relegation zone. You think this is acceptable for a coach, especially someone coaching AC Milan? He didn't have the excuse of injuries. Instead, he played frigging Acerbi over Zapata, when I was screaming my lungs out on this forum that the latter had to be a starter alongside Mexes. For many, many games our defense had different men in every game. It took him a long time to come up with this 4-3-3 formation, and for a handful of games we did have a good run. But even so, he always kept messing things around. Before it was Emanuelson as AM/RW, now we had to endure that idiot of Niang on the wing, and Bojan was completely ignored for the rest of the season. The other idiot Muntari was preferred to Nocerino. Boateng never exactly learned what his role in this team was. AM? CM? RW? After the first Barça game, our team completely lost it. These last few months have been a nightmare. Watching this team play became a chore. And everyone can say whatever they want, but had it not been for the refs, 3rd place wouldn't be ours now.

So do you think Conte is one of the best coaches in the World? Because they had a pretty good CL and made Chelsea look completely dreadful in what is basically the same team from the 11/12 Champions.

I think he's up there right now without any shadow of a doubt

You play too much FIFA. so does han. I refuse to believe it all is that simple. a great coach would've taken less time to do it than Allegri, sure, but BEFORE the season start?! as dst said you and han have taken this Allegri hate to a new, laughable and sometimes facepalm level.

You're talking about other things now, I was referring to the identity thing you said. I don't like Allegri but expecting a coach who lost all his best players over one summer to give an identity to a team full of mediocre players over what, 6-7 summer friendly games? That is silly and impossible.

And I say it wasn't impossible. And even if I agree with you, do you realize that it took him three months, THREE MONTHS to get things straight! Unacceptable. If it wasn't for this man, we would have reached 3rd place without much of a hassle many weeks ago.

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Oh come on man, there are shadows and there are doubts! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Conte is a coach, first and foremost, which is more than what can be said of most pretenders. On his best days, he's probably a good coach, but most of the time he's just lucky and his team thuggy. He's nowhere near up there, not amongst the elites, not yet.

How can you say it's not impossible? I've never seen anything close to that happen. Yes three months seems like a long time but I don't think there's many coaches out there that could have done that faster and we can't afford any of them. We're always right only when we're second guessing.

What exactly haven't you seen happen? A coach giving a face to his new team? Well, I'll give you an example: Vincenzo Montella. Fiorentina changed more than 70% of their players this summer, and hired a new coach. He managed to give an identity and game style to his team in a matter of weeks, and his team was ready when the season started. Why couldn't Allegri do the same?

When you are coaching a team for two years, when you look at your players train every day, someone would think you'd know what's best for your team. Well, it took Allegri three months to realize that, and even then he barely managed to scrap results and almost lost his objective in the very end.

What exactly haven't you seen happen? A coach giving a face to his new team? Well, I'll give you an example: Vincenzo Montella. Fiorentina changed more than 70% of their players this summer, and hired a new coach. He managed to give an identity and game style to his team in a matter of weeks, and his team was ready when the season started. Why couldn't Allegri do the same?

When you are coaching a team for two years, when you look at your players train every day, someone would think you'd know what's best for your team. Well, it took Allegri three months to realize that, and even then he barely managed to scrap results and almost lost his objective in the very end.

I think he's up there right now without any shadow of a doubt

We've yet to see what Guardiola can do outside of Barca. Mourinho has always had the best teams to work with but he did prove himself with Porto. Then there's Heynckes, Carlo, Fergie retired. All of these had the best of the best talent wise. Conte cannot say the same, but he's achieved remarkable results.

As Forza Milan said to kurt in the match thread. He turned a team which had previously finished 7th into Scudetto winners, and not because he had a particularly good squad but because the players played each game as if it was the most important game of their lives. While we on the other hand play a do or die game as if it's a friendly against a Serie C side.