Then we won't agree as I can't see how his Madrid days can be considered a success. Not a total failure, of course, but definitely not success.

There's a reason people expect more from him than 'Someone other than Jose' as he considers himself the best and people like you consider him the best. So the expectations are set accordingly, especially when he's given all the resources in maybe the biggest club in the world. And no, 2nd best in your own country is not good enough, certainly not for Madrid. when Barca (that begun to decline as any great team begins gradually and naturally after some time) are still taking the majority of the silverware. And 3 straight CL SF is nice, for most clubs and coaches (not Madrid and not Mourinho), but nothing more as he had all the chances to take them to the final in the last two years when Barca was out of his way and teams worse than Madrid made the finals.

And then we also have the ugly departure and how pathetic it was to see him dissing his own players and all the locker room problems they had over there. He became even more unbearable than usual towards the end.


Not really, I would say the same about any coach after 3 years at Madrid. Also, last sentence is not exactly fair as I can easily say that some people are only interested in looking at his "successes". It goes both ways.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: May 18 2013, 07:50 AM

+1

As much as I love Casillas, Lopez has been amazing (haven't seen last night game's goals), saved Real in big games countless times. besides, it's not Mourinho's fault Arbeloa broke Casillas' hand...

As for Iker, when you're a club's #1 for many years without any real competition you're bound to lose your best form. he needed this. maybe we'll see the real Casillas again next season.


As for Mourinho, managing Real pretty much damaged his reputation IMO. he was given the best resources to work with and he didn't deliver as much as expected in not one, not two but THREE seasons. he's been a flop all things considered.

This post has been edited by Zed.D: May 18 2013, 07:52 AM

Doesn't change the fact that they were 2nd best though. Yet he still managed to win everything there is in the country. I never said his time was a success, but it's certainly not a failure. For me his biggest success was making Barca feel like they could be beaten, his 1st game against them was naïve and played into Barca's hands. After that, he showed teams you don't need to defend, just attack them and it mostly worked well, even with a much inferior squad - other teams followed.

Yes, but still, to win everything there is in the country once - that's only one league, cup and supercup in 3 years (especially when Madrid fans don't really give a **** about the Copa del Rey and surely not about the Supercopa). That's certainly not enough for Madrid and that's certainly not enough to someone like Mourinho. You can't hype him as the awesomest gift to humanity like some do and then lower the expectations to be the second best and say thank you on CL SF. From his 3 years there only one years was a success - the second one, the other two were flops IMO.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: May 18 2013, 08:09 AM

Well, I think winning something is always better than not winning something and beating Barca is always a positive. So to beat Barca head-to-head in both Cup Finals and essentially seal the title with a win at the Nou Camp is good rather than bad.

I'm not saying you do, but people often lack a sense of perspective. In his 1st season he picked up 92 points - which would have been enough to win the title in year 2 and 3. Does this mean his 1st season is a failure in the league? Not at all, that's one of the best ever performances by a team in Spain, ever. To consider it a "failure" when he has no control over 36 of Barca's 38 games I can't agree with. If he doesn't reach the 90 point mark - like this season - it can be seen as a failure. But if you reach 90+ points and don't win the title, that's not that you've failed, it's just another team has been exceptional. I mean, if Milan picked up 90 points this season and finished 2nd would we be calling it a bad season? It's a near perfect season, but you just can't control what other teams do outside of 2 games.

It seems Higuain is being made the Madrid scapegoat this season and he's being heavily linked with Juve. That's exactly what we need, Juve getting a 20+ goal a season striker. We may as well give them the title and everyone else plays for 2nd at this point.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 18 2013, 08:37 AM

I would call it mediocre because the bottom line is that you still lost the title to your sworn enemy and that's hard to swollow no matter what sweet pill it is.

Then we completely disagree on a very basic level. For me, what your competition does is irrelevant since you have no control over it, only what you can control should be judged. To me including Napoli vs Pescara, Juventus vs Udinese, etc. into judgement over your own season makes no sense.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: May 18 2013, 09:36 AM

Yes, we completely disagree.

This post has been edited by Jack Bauer: May 18 2013, 01:07 PM

Ronaldo seems to be in the same mood as he was when he was coming to the end of his OT days, you can just tell he's not really enjoying it now. If someone throws the money I think Madrid sell, either that or they let him go for nothing in a few years which would be crazy.

I have to agree with Kurt on this ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) ), I don't think Mourinho's time at RM has been a failure apart from maybe this season which was mostly determined by off the field incidents because... well, he's a pr*ck. This season they never really challenged Barcelona for the title and they should have beaten Dortmund. But overall I think he did well considering how strong Barcelona have been (even though they were not obviously going to win everything) and recently RM have been the best team in consecutive matches against them.


We all know he wasn't benched for that but if you wanna go there then how many games did he really cost them? How can you single out Casillas for RM's mediocre performances to start the season? You can't and he was not the (sole) reason why the fell out of the title race and really, he was benched because Mourinho wanted control over the locker room, not for bad performances.

edit: as for CR, if PSG really are willing to give them 100m and if he would not mind going there I think they should take the money.

Funny how you support Mourinho for reaching 3 CLs semi-finals in 3 years and winning only a La Liga at his time in Madrid (Copa del Rey doesn't count for sh*t), yet you are the first one to criticize Ancelotti for winning only one scudetto when he had arguably the best team in Serie A from 2003 to 2007, time in which he also won 2 CLs, made 1 final and a semi-final. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Neither Ancelotti in that period nor Mourinho the past three years had had the best team in the respective leagues.

We had a better team than Juve, albeit they had a super-strong team themselves.

Well it's different because 1. Carlo had the leagues best team and Jose isn't. 2. 1 title in 3 years is far superior to 1 title in 8 years.

I don't "support" Mourinho, I just think labelling his time as a failure and taking into account how Barca did as a reflection is ridiculous. I pretty much agree with dst on the issue and we all know how he feels about RM/Jose.

I can't agree with you guys saying Ancelotti had the the best team in the league for all those years though I do agree that one league title during that time is poor.