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Apr 24 2013, 11:06 PM
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Primavera

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Oh, you guys are still hooked on Aquilani. You meant to say MilanLab would have looked completely different, no?
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Apr 26 2013, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2013, 04:49 PM)  It does, and it doesn't. Even with little money you can still buy quality players if you've scouted the market thoroughly. Udinese tell you much? And besides, let me give you a few examples of our poor signing/selling decisions: - Ignore Pogba and sign Traoré instead.
- Pay €4 million for Acerbi when we could have signed Aquilani permanently for the same amount.
- Sign Dídac Vilà for €4 million and never use him.
- Sign Gabriel as 3rd GK a few days before he gets his Italian passport and thus use up the only remaining non-EU spot.
- Swap Pazzini with Cassano and give an additional €7 million to Inter.
- Let Ibrahimovic go for a mere €20 million.
- Refuse PSG's €35 million for Pato only to sell him exactly one year later for €15 million.
And those are only the most recent ones. Seriously, stop defending this management for everything like a senseless, devoted follower and use criticism whenever it's necessary. +1 QUOTE (KillerMax @ Apr 25 2013, 06:37 PM)  Awesome... (IMG: style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif) (IMG: style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
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Apr 26 2013, 02:00 PM
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Prima Squadra
           
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QUOTE (KillerMax @ Apr 26 2013, 01:45 PM)  One thing though, all those people saying they were Milan fans since birth... How can that be? Personally, Seeing Milan for the first time on TV as a kid all alone and the process of becoming obsessed with Milan and becoming a diehard fan was a amazing feeling on its own. Exactly. Being a fan by birth means it's not really your choice, it's just something you're bought into. Villa was never a choice by me, my dad took me to games when I was 5 and it just stick. Milan, probably like everyone else on here was a a choice I eventually made. Watching Football Italia on channel 4 in the 90s and becoming obsessed with Italian football. Then remembering players names and playing as them on the old FIFA's. Then starting to like certain players and teams and eventually with Mr. Shevchenko joining and me beasting on FIFA with him, my choice was made. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Apr 26 2013, 03:27 PM
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Smoking Bianco
         
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2013, 11:49 PM)  It does, and it doesn't. Even with little money you can still buy quality players if you've scouted the market thoroughly. Udinese tell you much? Udinese tells me nothing. Coming back to the top three of the standings, after an initial 8 weeks with bad results, tells me a lot about Milan. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2013, 11:49 PM)  And besides, let me give you a few examples of our poor signing/selling decisions: - Ignore Pogba and sign Traoré instead.
- Pay €4 million for Acerbi when we could have signed Aquilani permanently for the same amount.
- Sign Dídac Vilà for €4 million and never use him.
- Sign Gabriel as 3rd GK a few days before he gets his Italian passport and thus use up the only remaining non-EU spot.
- Swap Pazzini with Cassano and give an additional €7 million to Inter.
- Let Ibrahimovic go for a mere €20 million.
- Refuse PSG's €35 million for Pato only to sell him exactly one year later for €15 million.
And those are only the most recent ones. Based on theory and hindsight, one can raise all kinds of arguments, especially when hand picking the senarios. But looking at things from a negotiation’s perspective: Cassano, every club that he played for (bar Roma) made a loss on him, at least we sold him for a profit. You seem to forget Cassano pushed our hands for a transfer. Letting Ibrahimovic (31yo) go for 20M is not all, the guy earned 18M a season (inclusive of tax), keeping him on would not have made you comment ‘not bad’ in your post above. Galliani already elaborated on the Pato incident not a couple of weeks ago, he disclosed that had we sold Pato last summer we would have signed Tevez, and Milan decided to keep Pato (cheaper option going into FFP), in the winter he was sold to make way for Balotelli. Gabriel if we hadn’t signed him, and inter signed him and he turned up to be a good keeper, would you call Galliani an idiot for not signing him that fast? Another senario to think of. Didac Vila, Acerbi, Aquilani, Traore were all rotational players … They do not form a core of the team, hence their dismissal is not significant. Throughout any club in Europe, you have players who do not turn up when wearing the big club shirts … Happens, but then again, the quality differs and in our case, we didn’t even record a profit! At least we contained our losses for this fiscal year. £31.5MM was our profit from transfer window activities for the 12/13 season. QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2013, 11:49 PM)  Seriously, stop defending this management for everything like a senseless, devoted follower and use criticism whenever it's necessary. Why do you think I am senseless? Is it because I disagree with you? If that is the case, then at least I knew this was inevitable, I am not biased to follow the management blindly, there are precedents http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7445. The management is one of the best in Europe, whether you agree or not, Silvio Berlusconi has in the ‘long-run’ made AC Milan history, with the experience of one Dr. Adriano Galliani. The problem you face today is your club can not afford it all anymore. I think that is the problem, you either implode like inter or you construct a project like Milan.
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Apr 27 2013, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Udinese tells me nothing. Coming back to the top three of the standings, after an initial 8 weeks with bad results, tells me a lot about Milan. Huh, what kind of response is that? I mentioned Udinese as an example that quality players can come on the cheap if your scouters are good enough, and you bring up us getting to 3rd place instead? DAFUQ?! QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Based on theory and hindsight, one can raise all kinds of arguments, especially when hand picking the senarios. But looking at things from a negotiation’s perspective: Cassano, every club that he played for (bar Roma) made a loss on him, at least we sold him for a profit. You seem to forget Cassano pushed our hands for a transfer. Cassano's past doesn't matter. He had been really good for us for a season and a half, he shined with Italy in the Euros, whilst Pazzini was marginalized by Inter after a crappy season. This is what you base a player's price on, not their frigging history. QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Letting Ibrahimovic (31yo) go for 20M is not all, the guy earned 18M a season (inclusive of tax), keeping him on would not have made you comment ‘not bad’ in your post above. His high wage doesn't matter, at all. Ibra is one of the Top 5 strikers in the world, and it's criminal that we sold him for just €20 million. We could and should have made a much bigger profit from his sale. QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Galliani already elaborated on the Pato incident not a couple of weeks ago, he disclosed that had we sold Pato last summer we would have signed Tevez, and Milan decided to keep Pato (cheaper option going into FFP), in the winter he was sold to make way for Balotelli. When you look at it now, then it all comes down to preference. Would you have preferred selling Pato to PSG, signing Tevez, making a small profit and possibly winning the scudetto last season? Or selling him to Corinthians a year later and sign Balotelli? I'd say the former option is more attractive. QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Gabriel if we hadn’t signed him, and inter signed him and he turned up to be a good keeper, would you call Galliani an idiot for not signing him that fast? Another senario to think of. If, if, if. Gabriel hasn't played a single game for us so far, and the management haven't even considered him as a possibility for next season considering they're after other goalies. Heck, Allegri even prefers Amelia to him for crying out loud! QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Didac Vila, Acerbi, Aquilani, Traore were all rotational players … They do not form a core of the team, hence their dismissal is not significant. Throughout any club in Europe, you have players who do not turn up when wearing the big club shirts … Happens, but then again, the quality differs and in our case, we didn’t even record a profit! At least we contained our losses for this fiscal year. €4 million for Dídac, €4 million for Acerbi, not to mention the various Mattioni, Grimi, Cardacio, Viudez etc. in the past which we didn't sign for free. No matter how you look at it, they were screw-ups by our management which could have been avoided. QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 26 2013, 05:27 PM)  Why do you think I am senseless? Is it because I disagree with you? If that is the case, then at least I knew this was inevitable, I am not biased to follow the management blindly, there are precedents http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7445. The management is one of the best in Europe, whether you agree or not, Silvio Berlusconi has in the ‘long-run’ made AC Milan history, with the experience of one Dr. Adriano Galliani. Good one. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/thumbup.gif) Even the walls know you'd follow Berlusca and Baldy to hell if it came to it, so stop acting like you rationalize when it comes this management. You defend them about everything, and I think we've been together on this forum way too long for you to claim the contrary. So, let's just leave this argument aside, shall we?
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