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post Nov 23 2012, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 10:54 PM) *
Pazzini will be fine as our focal point IF we have players that can give him the service. Crap like Boateng or Urby out wide isn't going to cut it for any striker. Right now we're living off the fact that SES can create brilliance out of nothing in terms of our attack.

Sell Pato, Robinho and Boateng and use them money to invest in a winger and a #10. They don't have to be World class, just players who play those positions and who are of good quality.

No Pazzini isn't fine. He's mediocre at best and I'd rather keep Pato for the future, same for Boateng if it comes down to it as they're both still young.

Pato at this point wouldn't command a big transfer fee, same with Boateng anyway so if you think we'd be able to finance those 2 moves you're wrong.

Selling Robinho is imperative, and I'm pretty sure Pazzini will b out come summer as well, Huntelaar style.

There is a very small group of players in this team that we should hold onto and use them as foundations to rebuild and that group includes players like Pato, Monto, SES, Prince, Abate, DS and maybe Bojan if we can cut a good deal. The rest are all expandable
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post Nov 23 2012, 11:20 PM
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Well, to get technical, "at best" Pazzini is a very good Serie A striker. With anyone that can create, he's fine.
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post Nov 24 2012, 05:48 AM
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Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money,

But keeping Pazzini is good too he just needs balls fed to him

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post Nov 24 2012, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 07:48 AM) *
Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money.


That would be a lot of money.
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post Nov 24 2012, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 11:20 PM) *
Well, to get technical, "at best" Pazzini is a very good Serie A striker. With anyone that can create, he's fine.

Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club. Look at his games for Inter last season. He was getting better service than he currently is at Milan this season yet he was still terrible on most occasions.

Just don't know what you see in him and certainly is not enough to justify the sale of Pato by saying "oh we have Pazzini, no worries"

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 05:48 AM) *
Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money,

But keeping Pazzini is good too he just needs balls fed to him

Like x-off said. That would have to be a LOOOT of money. Pazzini is mediocre, Cavani is world class, you do the math
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post Nov 24 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 02:15 PM) *
Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club. Look at his games for Inter last season. He was getting better service than he currently is at Milan this season yet he was still terrible on most occasions.

Just don't know what you see in him and certainly is not enough to justify the sale of Pato by saying "oh we have Pazzini, no worries"


Like x-off said. That would have to be a LOOOT of money. Pazzini is mediocre, Cavani is world class, you do the math

I would not go as far as to say he is world class not just yet , the last game we had against Napoli he was not good at all yes it was one game but it was one big game.

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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 24 2012, 09:50 AM) *
That would be a lot of money.


He will probably go to Juve or Inter then.
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post Nov 24 2012, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 11:30 AM) *
I would not go as far as to say he is world class not just yet , the last game we had against Napoli he was not good at all yes it was one game but it was one big game.

It is just one game, and for a striker his performance most of the time depends on the team behind him as well. Cavani has proved himself to be a top striker on many occasions now

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 11:32 AM) *
He will probably go to Juve or Inter then.

Nah, Napoli would most likely sell out of the league. Also, can't see either Inter or Juve managing to come up with the fee Napoli will undoubtedly demand for him

Real or City would be my best guess. Maybe even Chelsea when they get tired of giving Torres chances
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 05:03 PM) *
It is just one game, and for a striker his performance most of the time depends on the team behind him as well. Cavani has proved himself to be a top striker on many occasions now


Nah, Napoli would most likely sell out of the league. Also, can't see either Inter or Juve managing to come up with the fee Napoli will undoubtedly demand for him

Real or City would be my best guess. Maybe even Chelsea when they get tired of giving Torres chances


The same could be said about Pazzini it depends on the team behind him also..



As if Real need anyone nor City..
Inter have a couple of Uruguayans i don't want him to go there ofc but seeing how Diego Milito isnt getting any younger. Juve have already tried to buy him napoli has thus far rejected swaps for Giovinco and Matri + cash.\

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post Nov 24 2012, 03:13 PM
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Han, I think you're just too harsh on Pazzo. Like with the Juventus thing, you tend to take a radical stance on a subject not as clear as one would expect.

Firstly, you mention Gilardino but I remember you defending the same some years ago. Sure, the situation was much different.

But why not accept some at least for this situation as well - Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

Yet insisting on how bad he is won't really help either. He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 24 2012, 05:13 PM) *
Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.


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post Nov 24 2012, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 01:16 PM) *
The same could be said about Pazzini it depends on the team behind him also..

As if Real need anyone nor City..
Inter have a couple of Uruguayans i don't want him to go there ofc but seeing how Diego Milito isnt getting any younger. Juve have already tried to buy him napoli has thus far rejected swaps for Giovinco and Matri + cash.\

Come on now! Let's not even compare Pazzini with Cavani!

And Real and City always want to improve the team when the opportunity presents itself.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 24 2012, 03:13 PM) *
Han, I think you're just too harsh on Pazzo. Like with the Juventus thing, you tend to take a radical stance on a subject not as clear as one would expect.

Firstly, you mention Gilardino but I remember you defending the same some years ago. Sure, the situation was much different.

But why not accept some at least for this situation as well - Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

Yet insisting on how bad he is won't really help either. He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.

And I'm the first to admit how wrong I was on Gila and how terribly bad he's turned out. At least Gila had 2 huge seasons at Parma when we bought him, what's Pazzini's best season in terms of goals?

It's not about exxagerating, it's about seeing someone as being mediocre which he is. Pippo had killer instinct, something Pazzini does not have, add to that he's no hard worker and not a lethal finisher either. That for me is the definition of a mediocre striker, especially when he's simply a poacher, which in the modern game has basically become obsolete and considered a liability at most.

You've listed what makes him mediocre yourself here. So why are you even arguing my points since you obviously agree with them. You might not point them out as bluntly as I'm currently doing but deep down you know he's just bad and won't last at Milan anyway so why bother. I only miss the 7m and the fact that we gave a MUCH MUCH better player to Inter of all teams to get this dud
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 01:15 PM) *
Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club.


wow and here I thought Gilardino's problem was that he didn't receive service from Pirlo, Seedorf, etc? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 24 2012, 09:12 PM) *
wow and here I thought Gilardino's problem was that he didn't receive service from Pirlo, Seedorf, etc? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Gilardino could never claim that was the case. Although he did do well in his first season with us imo
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 01:00 AM) *
Gilardino could never claim that was the case. Although he did do well in his first season with us imo


Wasnt it you who claimed that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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