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 Oct 16 2012, 03:54 PM
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Smoking Bianco  Group: Helpers Posts: 14,039 Joined: 15-August 05 From: KWT Member No.: 191  |
Why is our formation suddenly projected like that of Barcelona? Is our midfield THAt good?
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Oct 16 2012, 04:34 PM
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#167
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 16 2012, 05:54 PM)  Why is our formation suddenly projected like that of Barcelona? Is our midfield THAt good? ? you mean because it's a 4-3-3? 1,000,000 teams play 4-3-3 in the last 1,000 years This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Oct 16 2012, 04:34 PM |
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Oct 16 2012, 07:40 PM
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#168
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 16 2012, 03:52 PM) As long as Nocerino isn't showing it one freaking time post-Ibra I can't quite agree one bit. Also, De Jong is not a pure DM. Just because that has become - yes, become - his position doesn't necessary mean he is a pure DM. Sure, he has the qualities of a pure DM, but as long as people see him this way and only this way they will always misjudge De Jong. And I didn't know that plain horseshit stood for the truth. I would have no issue with putting Aquilani, Merkel, Clasie and so instead of De Jong, but not Nocerino. He's too much of a liability and has no place in a three man midfield. Also, Strootman is much more than just a DM too. It's so shortshined to label both as DMs and thinking that's all they offer. Plain horseshit, really? How pathetic can one jump in a discussion... De Jong has played in front of the defense at City, for Holland and now with us, and you're saying he's not an anchor? Furthermore, your accusations of Nocerino being poor other than having a good shot don't really match with the reality. Did you somehow forget the amazing season he had last year? Like I said, he's having a bad season so far, but so are Boateng, Montolivo and pretty much the rest of our team, otherwise we wouldn't have 7 points after 7 weeks. QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 16 2012, 05:11 PM) Also, why remove Prince to bring in an annoying dud like Nani? Doesn't make sense. If we sell Boateng then I'd want a proper AM to come in instead I don't think Nani's a dud. He's 25, and could improve in his game. Not to mention that he would come cheap. Besides, I guess Allegri (and if he comes, Guardiola in the future) wants to play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, and you need proper wingers for that to work. |
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Oct 16 2012, 07:42 PM
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Prima Squadra Group: Helpers Posts: 30,194 Joined: 11-March 07 From: Birmingham, England Member No.: 3,660 |
Why would Nani come cheap?
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Oct 16 2012, 07:45 PM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 16 2012, 09:42 PM) Why would Nani come cheap? Because Ferguson doesn't want him anymore and United are willing to sell him cheap to cash in. That's what I read on Sportmediaset anyway. |
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Oct 17 2012, 02:43 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 16 2012, 09:40 PM) De Jong has played in front of the defense at City, for Holland and now with us, and you're saying he's not an anchor? ? I didn't use the word anchor. |
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Oct 17 2012, 03:58 AM
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The brightest sun is the purest gun Group: Full Members Posts: 26,848 Joined: 23-June 06 From: Albania Member No.: 2,008 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 17 2012, 04:43 AM) ? I didn't use the word anchor. Somehow I thought you did, but still you don't consider him a pure DM, whilst he's been playing as such in the last few years. |
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Oct 17 2012, 05:09 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 17 2012, 05:58 AM) Somehow I thought you did, but still you don't consider him a pure DM, whilst he's been playing as such in the last few years. Figured people wouldn't get this. Originally De Jong was an all-round player turned in a DM, and obviously he is now what you can call a true DM, but that doesn't mean he only has the abilities of a DM. I do see De Jong more as a ball-winner DM than an anchor DM. Strootman is a more nature anchor than De Jong. |
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Oct 17 2012, 07:56 AM
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Prima Squadra  Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 17 2012, 05:09 AM) Figured people wouldn't get this. Originally De Jong was an all-round player turned in a DM, and obviously he is now what you can call a true DM, but that doesn't mean he only has the abilities of a DM. I do see De Jong more as a ball-winner DM than an anchor DM. Strootman is a more nature anchor than De Jong. For me, it's either one or the other. Don't play both as that would ruin the flow of the midfield. It's a typical Allegri move to overload the midfield with such players. A coach like Guardiola wouldn't even dream of deploying 2 DMs |
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Oct 17 2012, 08:51 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2012, 09:56 AM) For me, it's either one or the other. Don't play both as that would ruin the flow of the midfield. It's a typical Allegri move to overload the midfield with such players. A coach like Guardiola wouldn't even dream of deploying 2 DMs +1 (even though I'm not so sure about Guardiola - all coaches have their fails) |
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Oct 17 2012, 10:46 AM
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Prima Squadra Group: Moderators Posts: 39,655 Joined: 6-January 06 From: Malta Member No.: 1,109 |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 17 2012, 08:51 AM) +1 (even though I'm not so sure about Guardiola - all coaches have their fails) It's not just about Guardiola though, give me a name of one other top coach that plays with 2 DMs and even sometimes 3 DMs |
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Oct 17 2012, 11:01 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2012, 12:46 PM) It's not just about Guardiola though, give me a name of one other top coach that plays with 2 DMs and even sometimes 3 DMs Carlo Ancelotti (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Oct 17 2012, 11:14 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2012, 09:56 AM) For me, it's either one or the other. Don't play both as that would ruin the flow of the midfield. It's a typical Allegri move to overload the midfield with such players. A coach like Guardiola wouldn't even dream of deploying 2 DMs You guys are not familair enough with Strootman and are thinking too black and white. Nevermind. |
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Oct 17 2012, 11:38 AM
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Primavera Group: Moderators Posts: 18,833 Joined: 5-April 06 From: Croatia, Zagreb Member No.: 1,564 |
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 17 2012, 01:14 PM) You guys are not familair enough with Strootman and are thinking too black and white. Nevermind. I really don't think Strootman is "that" creative. |
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Oct 17 2012, 11:43 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,601 Joined: 22-February 10 Member No.: 7,230 |
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 17 2012, 01:38 PM) I really don't think Strootman is "that" creative. But also not ''that little''. Montolivo would be the main playmaker but it's nice when he's not alone in this. or to use X's three preferenced roles, you can do this: Montolivo(playmaker) - Strootman(box-to-box) more likely anyway, I guessDe Jong(anchor) QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 17 2012, 12:46 PM) It's not just about Guardiola though, give me a name of one other top coach that plays with 2 DMs and even sometimes 3 DMs Van Gaal plays with Van der Vaart, De Jong and Strootman in his midfield (same positions as midfield I posted in this reply - except for Van der Vaart plays as Montolivo's position obviously). Labeling De Jong as a pure DM is acceptable, but doing the same with Strootman would be ignoring his other qualities. This post has been edited by CHU-LIP: Oct 17 2012, 12:18 PM |
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