I wish! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I mean I should. I defend Berlusca and Galliani enough over here!!

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Yep. Enough is a good word.

Enough to deserve a 470 million villa..is what I mean.

How can property be worth so much?

Is the Villa made out of gold FFS??!

Berlu had it specially outfitted for maximum ... utility.... when hosting "events."

it's worth as much as they can sell it for

Milan 5th club in the world for Facebook likes (11.5 million).

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Not bad. Hope everyone of you guys "liked" Milan (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

The above is what I meant the other day when I said over-criticism of Allegri.

"Allegri is to blame for all the injuries" - JB dismissed that myth showing previous seasons under Leo and Carlo with lots of injuries. Milan have a problem with injuries, that problem is not Allegri.

"Allegri is a weak starter" - No. Milan are weak starters.

Our past 7 starts (and how we did at the half way point - and defeats)

Carlo 06/07 start - Won 3 of first 7, 4 of first 12, 5 of first 16. (8 of first 19 - 3 defeats)
Carlo 07/08 start - Won 1 of first 6, 2 of first 9, 4 of first 14. (8 of first 19 - 5 defeats)
Carlo 08/09 start - Won 1 of first 3, 3 of first 6. (11 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Leo 09/10 start - Won 1 of first 3, 2 of first 7, 4 of first 10. (won 12 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Allegri 10/11 start - Won 1 of first 4, 4 of first 8. (won 12 of first 19 - 4 defeats)
Allegri 11/12 start - Won 1 of first 5. (won 12 of first 19 - 3 defeats)
Allegri 12/13 start - Won 1 of first 4.

Allegri isn't a problem with slow starts, it's a Milan problem. If anything in recent times, Allegri is our best starter, Averages joint most wins with Leo, averages most points and less defeats at the half way stage (and importantly at the end).

/rantonridiculousantiallegrimyths

What this nice display of stats does not reveal however is that Milan with Allegri and his system plays bad football, worse then Leo's or Carlo's. Leo's was a mess; while Carlo - I remember a few of those bad starts - mostly it were unlucky matches where we dominated but couldn't break our oppositions X men defending.

This however is something different. This is a real crisis. Yesterday Boban said on TV that this is the weakest Milan in 25 years, starting from the coach and ending with the players.

Allegri sure isn't the sole responsible man; but he's not helping either. His system is too rigid, just like Zaccheroni's was. He's forcing Milan and the players to play roles they're not comfortable with and that make them look worse then they really are. He's missing out on many special characteristics a player has and can add to the team. He's having his favorites, while others end up being sidelined without even a chance to prove themselves.

Finally, every single goddamn lineup he starts has to be fixed - either in half time or around 60'. Isn't this an indicator?

@ kurt, you're only showing Carlo's weakest seasons with Milan. The previous 3 were a lot better

Couldn't agree more ...

Obviously we have a weak squad in comparison. A long season awaits Allegri, and his eggs do not fit the bill when peered 'pound for pound' against the likes of Napoli, Juventus etc ... Let alone the strong teams in the CL.

Many, on here, claim that Milan is better equipped to Samp and Atalanta, however I disagree. I believe Samp and Atalanta have a better team cohesion than our beloved Milan, simply because they have experience and a well drilled team.

We need time, we lost a lot with the departures of the senators alone. Once they departed, the squad lost something significant. Now it all rests on Allegri who does not have the luxury of time and as such he will be axed if the results don't go our way. With that said, I have sympathy for him, as I doubt he can transform our end results.

Yes, but the comment I was responding to was talking about slow stats. My post had nothing to do with quality of football. Leo played good football but didn't get results, Carlo's team played good football in his first few seasons but it got significantly worse every year.


I was showing his most recent. To show that it's common for us to start slow.

"But... but... Carlo had a goos start 10 years ago when we had the best squad in football" doesn't really change that.

Fact is our slow starts go on for 4 years before Max even got here, yet he gets blamed. Our injuries go before Allegri, he gets blamed. One thing that didn't happen much recently before Allegri was winning a title which he, of course, gets no credit for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Sep 18 2012, 12:55 PM

What I wanted to say by that is that you have to show Carlo's full record. Showing only part of it doesn't say anything. Those 3 seasons were Carlo's worst at Milan and I'm not talking about the start but in general