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post Jun 14 2012, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 14 2012, 02:19 PM) *
What a fucking shambles. Scare the supporters by entering into negotiations, then decide not to pursue them and pretend it's a 'gift for the fans'.


I don't believe that for one bit. Like I mentioned in the previous page:

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 13 2012, 06:35 PM) *
I don't think we're doing this as a getaway tactic from committing to this summer's signing campaign. The ugly truth is that we are poor and sunk in debts every year. As such, if someone offers €50 million for one of our players, we have to at least take it into consideration and see where it could go. It's only logical.


Let's not cave in into this silly assumption that the whole Silva saga was just a mind game to "please" the fans, and see the truth for what it is: we're broke!
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 14 2012, 01:19 PM) *
What a fucking shambles. Scare the supporters by entering into negotiations, then decide not to pursue them and pretend it's a 'gift for the fans'.

Haven't we seen this situation repeat itself over and over. Still, after this, I think we'll be seeing Silva sold within the next 2 years or so.

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Let's not cave in into this silly assumption that the whole Silva saga was just a mind game to "please" the fans, and see the truth for what it is: we're broke!

We're as broke as we've been in recent years, but don't think for one second that the management don't try to make themselves look good with these "save the day" moments from Silvio, as we saw with Kaka

If we manage to re-negotiate with Silva it would be a win, and at this point if we manage to get Aquilani on some sort of free it would be a bigger win. Forget about top quality, this is what we'll get this season and probably in the future.

I think we should try to sell Robinho this summer. A club like Santos or Malaga would be willing to put in some decent cash for him
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:07 PM
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AC Milan News ‏@Milanello

Thiago Silva's entourage reportedly wants Milan to give Thiago Silva an annual salary of €7 million (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 14 2012, 02:18 PM) *
so silva agent has hinted that if he stays with Milan then we will need to discuss a new deal for him surprise surprise...


Yeah, just read that, too. A rise at this point would be out of the question, considering he already earns €4,5 million, which is a lot for our standards. I don't think we've seen the last of this, yet.

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We're as broke as we've been in recent years, but don't think for one second that the management don't try to make themselves look good with these "save the day" moments from Silvio, as we saw with Kaka.


I don't care about that. If Silva is staying, I'd be happy as a clam.

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I think we should try to sell Robinho this summer. A club like Santos or Malaga would be willing to put in some decent cash for him.


I read that Robinho already refused Malaga's offer and is looking for a Santos transfer, if not this summer then in January. The problem is that Santos are not willing to offer €20 million like Malaga did. At this point, the most clever thing to do is take an option on Ganso, like sign him next summer for less than €20 million or something.
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:35 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2012, 01:40 PM) *
Haven't we seen this situation repeat itself over and over. Still, after this, I think we'll be seeing Silva sold within the next 2 years or so.


Probably. I'm waiting for PSG to come out and say Milan didn't have the balls to sell.
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 14 2012, 03:52 PM) *
Let's not cave in into this silly assumption that the whole Silva saga was just a mind game to "please" the fans, and see the truth for what it is: we're broke!


Sorry but that's exactly what they're doing.

We've saved a lot on wages this summer with contracts ending, and there are also more immediate options to sell in Robinho and Pato.

Why should we all of a sudden begin negotiations to sell our only untouchable and irreplaceable player AFTER having lost Nesta as well? that would have been a downright suicide. yea we need money but we need CL football more, we can't afford to weaken the team to the point where we put CL qualification at risk.

From the very beginning I knew it'd end like this (ie just another Kaka-City (I admit Pato-PSG was serious and Galliani, that sly fox, had every intention of selling the Duck)), we couldn't and can't sell Silva this summer. yeah, we took their offer into consideration but some of you were too quick to begin mourning his loss (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Don't get me wrong, I think we may try to find an adequate replacement in the near future and cash in on Silva, what happened this summer was more like readying the fans for his inevitable sale.

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AC Milan News ‏@Milanello

Thiago Silva's entourage reportedly wants Milan to give Thiago Silva an annual salary of €7 million (IMG:http://www.milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


Technically Best Defender In the World deserves €7 million. I think now that he's set to stay it's crucial to offer him a new improved deal, that would only drive away future suitors a bit.

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post Jun 14 2012, 04:09 PM
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Gattuso will sign for Galatasaray.

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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 14 2012, 02:56 PM) *
Sorry but that's exactly what they're doing.

We've saved a lot on wages this summer with contracts ending, and there are also more immediate options to sell in Robinho and Pato.

Why should we all of a sudden begin negotiations to sell our only untouchable and irreplaceable player AFTER having lost Nesta as well? that would have been a downright suicide. yea we need money but we need CL football more, we can't afford to weaken the team to the point where we put CL qualification at risk.

From the very beginning I knew it'd end like this (ie just another Kaka-City (I admit Pato-PSG was serious and Galliani, that sly fox, had every intention of selling the Duck)), we couldn't and can't sell Silva this summer. yeah, we took their offer into consideration but some of you were too quick to begin mourning his loss (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Don't get me wrong, I think we may try to find an adequate replacement in the near future and cash in on Silva, what happened this summer was more like readying the fans for his inevitable sale.



Technically Best Defender In the World deserves €7 million. I think now that he's set to stay it's crucial to offer him a new improved deal, that would only drive away future suitors a bit.

Agreed

I think with the departure of all those players, some of which earning in excess of 4m per season, it can be done. I'd at least give him 6m. 4.5m is what players like Flamini were on FFS!
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:29 PM
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@Zed .. Thiago Silva could stay on, but that would be at the expense of something else. Milan's aim is to reduce the wage bill, not by adding a departing player's salary on top of Silva's salary. Reducing the wage bill by 100M approx is something that has to be done.

Otherwise, we wont be able to function. And hence our expulsion from European competitions.

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post Jun 14 2012, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:29 PM) *
@Zed .. Thiago Silva could stay on, but that would be at the expense of something else. Milan's aim is to reduce the wage bill, not by adding a departing player's salary on top of Silva's salary. Reducing the wage bill by 100M approx is something that has to be done.

Otherwise, we wont be able to function. And hence our expulsion from European competitions.


We have already reduced it by getting rid of dead wood (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:36 PM) *
We have already reduced it by getting rid of dead wood (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


And by how much have we reduced it?

Was that reduction sufficient to cover our 2012/2013 expected loss?

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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 14 2012, 06:41 PM) *
And by how much have we reduced it?

Was that reduction sufficient to cover our 2012/2013 expected loss?


I have no freaking idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Exactly. The people we have let loose don´t do much for us by themselves in reducing the losses. Perhaps you can make a claim that they reduce operating expense. BUT PLEASE...stop treating what was essentially a necessity as a big step forward. We have achieved nothing yet!

R7: Do we have debt?? I can´t find any clarity on this at the moment. My assumption is that AC Milan being a wholly owned subsidiary of Finninvest has no debt by itself, but it is possible that the company Finninvest has got debt? Do we have financials for them?
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:09 PM
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Havnt got a chance to see the current financials .. But you can check out the fininvest website. Its a listed company so their financials are probably there.

We do carry debt, judging from past four years trend, we are borrowing more from Fininvest that from banks and other creditors.
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 14 2012, 04:48 PM) *
Exactly. The people we have let loose don´t do much for us by themselves in reducing the losses. Perhaps you can make a claim that they reduce operating expense. BUT PLEASE...stop treating what was essentially a necessity as a big step forward. We have achieved nothing yet!

R7: Do we have debt?? I can´t find any clarity on this at the moment. My assumption is that AC Milan being a wholly owned subsidiary of Finninvest has no debt by itself, but it is possible that the company Finninvest has got debt? Do we have financials for them?

although this is old but will help you about debts stuff: http://www.fininvest.it/en/financial_infor...n/annual_report
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