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May 21 2012, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE Are you sure about that? Because it seemed pretty obvious that Allegri didn't play Aquilani due to the '25 games' clause, rather than because he didn't convince him. Like han said, Aquilani was barely given a chance to prove himself. Well - it's an interdependent thing. If Allegri was convinced by him he'd say "let's keep him" and played him maybe more. Since he didn't convince, well...what's the point of keeping him?
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May 21 2012, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 21 2012, 04:29 PM)  A year ago it was Ronaldinho. Now it is Kaka of Madrid.
Although you missed my point again. I meant this: players who lose their position should try and fight back - Allegri is fair in this way. He always awards spirit and determination. Aquilani showed the exact opposite; there was no passion, no will to prove he's any good. That's why I think we can part ways comfortably.
You forgot Merkel, but okay - he isn't a real option.
Let's make it simple. I'm positive that our board will replace Aquilani if he decides to go. Whether it will be Ganso or Rivaldo I don't know. But I'm just saying, I won't cry a river for Aquilani because he is very replaceable. Ronaldinho and Kaka Kaka rarely came in late, so you can't really say either way. He was a player that needed rythm just as much as the next guy. Ronaldinho is even worse because he's usually very slow to get into things. I maintain. Whether Aqui stays or goes, even if we sign Sahin or Ganso, we still need someone to cover AM and to cover CM, Monto can only cover one area. And I'd bet my @ss that we'll find ourselves with both positions needing to be filled by backups during the season because of injuries. And once again, we'll get to see the travesty that is Urby playing behing the strikers And suddenly Allegri is fair to you? Just because it suites your argument? You've pointed out how unfair he is with certain players many times. Yes he likes the hard workers and seems to give those players endless opportunities. It's the same reason why he was so quick to boot out Dinho, why he did not bat an eye lash at losing Pirlo. You think Monto or the new CM will work their @sses off like say Nocerino does? No, because it's not in these players to run like headless chicken for 90+ minutes, and that's all Allegri seems to appreciate. QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2012, 04:48 PM)  Let's not jump the gun yet. We're still in May, there are three months of calciomercato ahead of us. If we can get Şahin or Ganso, then there's no point in signing Aquilani on a permanent basis. So, let's just wait. We've been through this before, case in point last summer and the whole Mr. X fiasco. Aquilani and Montolivo imo are safety nets. They'll be very good backs ups for 2 important positions that currently are occupied by Boateng and Monto as the situation currently stand. What we want is a top CM to fill in either the left or right of our midfield. Monto would be cover for both areas. But imo, we all know how things will go with the injury climate at Milanello. Boateng will be injured within the first month into the new season and we'll either be stuck with Monto pushing up and Muntari in midfield or Urby behind the strikers. Which is just not acceptable. Filippo might view both Italians as average at best, but name me one top club who has players of their level to back up the injured. A team like Barca or Real might not need them because they usually manage to keep their 11 healthy throughout the season but that's not the case for us
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May 21 2012, 06:25 PM
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I don't know han, Şahin and Ganso are not that unreachable like Fabregas and Hamsik were last summer. I'm confident we can snatch one of them, if we really want too. My whole point is that keeping Montolivo and Aquilani would be a good solution, since Monto can cover pretty much every position in midfield, and in case Boateng gets injured, we could always play: Aquilani - DM - Nocerino Montolivo However, if we're attempting to sign a superior playmaker, then there's no point in spending €7 million for Aquilani, since Montolivo would be the back-up in this case. Not to mention that we'd need those €7 million to sign the new player.
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May 21 2012, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2012, 06:25 PM)  I don't know han, Şahin and Ganso are not that unreachable like Fabregas and Hamsik were last summer. I'm confident we can snatch one of them, if we really want too. My whole point is that keeping Montolivo and Aquilani would be a good solution, since Monto can cover pretty much every position in midfield, and in case Boateng gets injured, we could always play: Aquilani - DM - Nocerino Montolivo However, if we're attempting to sign a superior playmaker, then there's no point in spending €7 million for Aquilani, since Montolivo would be the back-up in this case. Not to mention that we'd need those €7 million to sign the new player. Aqui is not worth those 6m anymore. We did not reach the 25 game clause so a new deal can be arranged for a lower sum, with lower wages which Aqui is said to be willing to agree to Best case scenario 1st choise: Sahin/Ganso - DM - Nocerino Boateng 2nd choice: Aquilani - Ambro - Flamini/Diarra Montolivo Worst case scenario 1st choise: Monto - DM - Nocerino Boateng 2nd choice: Muntari - Ambro - Flamini/Diarra Urby
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May 21 2012, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE And suddenly Allegri is fair to you? Just because it suites your argument? You've pointed out how unfair he is with certain players many times. Yes he likes the hard workers and seems to give those players endless opportunities He is unfair with players like Inzaghi, Taiwo or Sokratis. But it has nothing to do with Aquilani. Aqulani is another thing; IMO Allegri was fair with him and gave him 15, 20 or 30 minutes of play time after time, while Aqui did absolutely nothing even worth mention to prove he deserves to play more or stay. Muntari maybe be an idiot or a bad player, but he works his *** of while Aquilani is lazy. Chess-mate, if you ask Allegri. And since Aquilani is replaceable, I won't mind. End of story. QUOTE Kaka rarely came in late, so you can't really say either way. He was a player that needed rythm just as much as the next guy. Ronaldinho is even worse because he's usually very slow to get into things. Actually, Kaka came in late a few times this season. But anyway. Look at Boateng. The guy is injured, doesn't play, comes back and you feel his determination and will. That's what Aquilani lacked. That's what Pirlo lacked as well, but his brilliance covered this little weakness. QUOTE Aquilani and Montolivo imo are safety nets. They'll be very good backs ups for 2 important positions that currently are occupied by Boateng and Monto as the situation currently stand. I think our financial situation means this: we can afford freebies and almost free players like Emanuelson or Montolivo + one big or bigger transfer. Aquilani simply doesn't fit in any category.
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May 21 2012, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2012, 06:11 PM)  So, you want to have all Şahin/Ganso, Montolivo and Aquilani. Can we really afford it? Cause nowadays even €1 million seems to make a difference for us. The Italians are on relatively low wages. lower than what Seedorf and Rino earned... We have about a million runners, and most of those are surplus, we need creativity more than anything else. If it were up to me I wouldn't have signed that guy from the French league, and Muntari would also be let go. Therefore we'd have, Flamini and Nocerino for the right side of midfield, Ambro and the new DM for the anchor position. a new CM and Aqui for the left of midfield, Boateng and Monto for the AM position. 2 players for each midfield position with Strasser and Merkel getting an extra 2 slots. I think that would cover us fully. Our midfield is currently filled with runners and muscle men, we should reduce that number and add 2 creative players QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2012, 06:12 PM)  Oh, and by Diarra, I suppose you meant Traoré? Oops (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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May 21 2012, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2012, 08:11 PM)  So, you want to have all Şahin/Ganso, Montolivo and Aquilani. Can we really afford it? Cause nowadays even €1 million seems to make a difference for us. It would make a good team but we simply cannot afford it. It's either Aquilani or Sahin/Ganso.
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May 21 2012, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ May 21 2012, 08:19 PM)  The Italians are on relatively low wages. lower than what Seedorf and Rino earned...
We have about a million runners, and most of those are surplus, we need creativity more than anything else.
If it were up to me I wouldn't have signed that guy from the French league, and Muntari would also be let go.
Therefore we'd have, Flamini and Nocerino for the right side of midfield, Ambro and the new DM for the anchor position. a new CM and Aqui for the left of midfield, Boateng and Monto for the AM position. 2 players for each midfield position with Strasser and Merkel getting an extra 2 slots.
I think that would cover us fully. Our midfield is currently filled with runners and muscle men, we should reduce that number and add 2 creative players Wait, you seriously think it's doable?
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May 21 2012, 07:23 PM
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So far Strootman seems most likely to join us, so assuming he will join us... And I read that Sahin wants to stay with Real Madrid, it's his dream club anyway... And someone who knows Brazil football and Ganso very well, don't think Ganso is a CM, but an AM, but with Cassano and Ibrahimovic as our attacking duo, we rather need a movement with pace AM like Boateng then yet another playmaking player in our attackin trio, creativity needs to be added in the so called midfield trio... Hernanes rumours have been there too, though he'd be kinda expensive, but if a man can dream... I hope for a midfield trio existing of Hernanes, Montolivo and Strootman. All players are good with the ball, and all players can defend, especially Strootman, and all are capable of attacking as well, and it's not even slow, so it has pretty much everything. (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 21 2012, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 21 2012, 06:18 PM)  He is unfair with players like Inzaghi, Taiwo or Sokratis.
But it has nothing to do with Aquilani. Aqulani is another thing; IMO Allegri was fair with him and gave him 15, 20 or 30 minutes of play time after time, while Aqui did absolutely nothing even worth mention to prove he deserves to play more or stay. Muntari maybe be an idiot or a bad player, but he works his *** of while Aquilani is lazy. Chess-mate, if you ask Allegri. And since Aquilani is replaceable, I won't mind. End of story. So with Inzaghi he's unfair when he gives him 10 minutes late un but when he does that to Aqui it's a fair chance... Double standards right there. Muntari is not lazy? Have you ever seen him ambling around on the pitch. Someone makes a pass to him and instead of running for it he waits and we lose the ball. Why do you think he frustrates the sh!t out of me? Becuase I don't think he's good looking enough to be on this team? (IMG: style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) The only time he isn't lazy is when there's an opportunity to chop someone's leg off. And give me the name of one player in the mold of Aqui, Pirlo, Monto, Dinho, Sahin, Modric, etc, etc, etc. That are not lazy by trade. They're not made to run, or to hustle about the pitch. You're comparing Aqui to players who are labelled by trade as runners, box-to-box guys, destroyers. You think Monto or Ganso or Sahin will run more just for the sake of it? No f@cking chance. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 21 2012, 06:18 PM)  Actually, Kaka came in late a few times this season. But anyway. Look at Boateng. The guy is injured, doesn't play, comes back and you feel his determination and will. That's what Aquilani lacked. That's what Pirlo lacked as well, but his brilliance covered this little weakness. Oh, you're talking about the Real Madrid Kaka... Well I was talking about the Kaka at Milan and he was mostly a ryhtm player when he was here. Boateng is mostly an explosive player. In the previous post I was about to list you the players I thought could come late into the game and change it. I was going to mention Pippo, Trezeguet and mainly Boateng. Because he doesn't center his game on any form of rythm or flow, he's erratic. He can be great at times, and then mess up a simply touch to stop the movement of the ball, that's just the way Boateng is. QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 21 2012, 06:18 PM)  I think our financial situation means this: we can afford freebies and almost free players like Emanuelson or Montolivo + one big or bigger transfer. Aquilani simply doesn't fit in any category. Our financial situation was sustaining previous wages of Rino, Seedorf, Pippo, Zambro, Nesta, VB, Flamini and Ambro at a combined total of 24.8 million Euros! After Taxes!! Plus Aquilani's 2m. Now, as the situation stands, Flamini will get a reduced wage, so will Ambro and so will Aqui. From those players: Flamini earned 4.5m and could see his wage reduced to 2m Ambro earned 3m and that will most likely be lowered to around 2m as well And Aqui, as already stated is at around 2m, which isn't that steep already, and if he agees to around 1.5m it would still be good Now add Monto to that list, who as I last read will earn 2.5m Combined, from those numbers, those players would earn 8m Now add Ganso or Sahin who would earn probably around 4m given the usual trend. A combined total of 12m. While previously the players mentioned above who left earned over 24m. I think that's a huge financial and footballing improvement to our midfield. Add a LB and the probable striker we'll most likely sign, and we would most likely still lower the wage bill from the atrocity that was last season's bill, with much better players who will actually play and be useful to the team, and not just there because of the weight their last name holds * I got all the numbers from the wage feature Gazzetta last put out if you're wondering, I'm not just pulling numbers out of my @ss (IMG: style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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