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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 9 2012, 06:28 PM) *
But didn't Galliani and Berlusconi both decide Allegri was the right man for the job?

Personally I'd love to see us playing the most beautiful football in the world, but when Galliani has to go looking for the cheapest players or players looking for a way out of their clubs this will never happen. We need to start buying top quality players that will actually cost money, and unless Berlusconi actually wants to splash the cash then we'd better get used to Allegri's style of play.


Galliani: "Unlike with previous coaches, me and Allegri decide together. We sit on a table and evaluate all the possibilities available".

That's what Galliani said some time ago. That shithead of a coach has a big say in our signings. If Galliani told him "Muntari is available on loan, what do you think?", Allegri wouldn't hesitate twice to give him the green light. And if we had more money at disposal, he would go for Asamoah instead, who's like Muntari but 10x better. That's the kind of players he likes. No wonder he replaced Pirlo with van Bommel, and our trequartista's are Boateng and Emanuelson. F@cking disgrace!

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post Apr 9 2012, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 9 2012, 05:35 PM) *
Galliani: "Unlike with previous coaches, me and Allegri decide together. We sit on a table and evaluate all the possibilities available".

That's what Galliani said some time ago. That shithead of a coach has a big say in our signings. If Galliani told him "Muntari is available on loan, what do you think?", Allegri wouldn't hesitate twice to give him the green light. And if we had more money at disposal, he would go for Asamoah instead, who's like Muntari but 10x better. That's the kind of players he likes. No wonder he replaced Pirlo with van Bommel, and our trequartista's are Boateng and Emanuelson. F@cking disgrace!


Didn't Pirlo want a three year deal, while we offered him a one year deal?(like we do with all over 30's)

And I can't see how Allegri has much of a say in our signings, if he did then he's surely got to be the first manager in a long time to be able to do that. Remember the players Leonardo wanted, but he didn't get any as they cost too much! Look at who we signed - Muntari, cost nothing and we actually got 2.5m from merda for him. Urby 1.5m. Ibra 24m over three seasons. Not sure about prince but I doubt it was much. These are all Galliani type cheap deals that keep costs down.

And hasn't Van Bommel been a revelation? He's been one of the resons we've done so well IMO.
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 9 2012, 06:43 PM) *
Didn't Pirlo want a three year deal, while we offered him a one year deal?(like we do with all over 30's)


And we could have easily offered him a three-year deal if Allegri wanted to. That was just a poor excuse for them to get him the f@ck outta here.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 9 2012, 06:43 PM) *
And I can't see how Allegri has much of a say in our signings, if he did then he's surely got to be the first manager in a long time to be able to do that.


Those are the words from Galliani himself. Him and Allegri decide together.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 9 2012, 06:43 PM) *
Remember the players Leonardo wanted, but he didn't get any as they cost too much! Look at who we signed - Muntari, cost nothing and we actually got 2.5m from merda for him. Urby 1.5m. Ibra 24m over three seasons. Not sure about prince but I doubt it was much. These are all Galliani type cheap deals that keep costs down.


Not an excuse. We signed these players because Allegri gave the green light. A coach wouldn't approve of players he wouldn't have a need for. As good as he is, Galliani could have looked elsewhere and signed someone more suitable to our case.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Apr 9 2012, 06:43 PM) *
And hasn't Van Bommel been a revelation? He's been one of the reasons we've done so well IMO.


I'm not talking about the quality of the player. No doubt van Bommel has been great for us. But he also proves what I've been saying, which is that Allegri prefers muscly players to creative ones.
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 9 2012, 07:31 AM) *
I think we can all agree that our injuries are a result of a combination of many things. bad pitch, incompetent medical staff, incompetent fitness coaches, even training methods.

That said, and I'm not a doctor but my common sense says that the training methods shouldn't be an issue if all the other problems are resolved. I guess it just aggravates the problem if there exists one.

As for who should be the manager next season, I'd rather stick with Allegri than bring the likes of Capello and Lippi. I want a young coach who's eager to win trophies not old men who have already won everything there is to win. not to mention their school of thought which is very old fashioned (I'm not saying Allegri's is oh so modern).

Call me crazy and uninformed but I wouldn't mind Van Basten.

Also! when we part ways with Max, I'd like to see Tassotti let go as well. Mauro is a very nice guy and I understand he's very highly rated as a defensive coach, but I think the team could badly use a new coach. he's been here for way too long.

I agree with your post except for the Van Basten bit, and definitely not the Tassotti bit! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)


QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 9 2012, 10:54 AM) *
And,Van Basten?Come on,don't be so bias!Everyone wants past legends to become great coaches.But,that's like starting from scratch,if Van Basten has showed some promise managing his current team then ok.Fact is,I'd rather keep Allegri,instead of starting from scratch again...If a great coach is available then by all means go for it,I'm not saying Allegri should be untouchable,but it depends on the circumstances.

Agreed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 9 2012, 12:20 PM) *
It's not only about the players, peeps, but mainly about the ideas. If Galliani offered to Allegri the chance to choose between Eriksen and Asamoah, for example, who do you think he'd go for? He loves bulky players and runners, and he doesn't know how to manage classy players. We went from the Milan of ball possession and flashy performances to the Milan of counterattacks and long balls. We're not Cagliari for crying out load! Allegri has this philosophy of football that is the total opposite of what Milan stands for as according to Berlusconi and his vision since he acquired the club.

The thing is, in very little time Allegri has brought us back to the search for top. He has won us a league already and we can possibly win a next one still. Apart from our recent poor set of results and his most recent selection fail, overall he has done good. We can't keep on saying he likes strength over skill so because of that he is better suited for a small club coach; the fact is he is a couple good signings away from having a very good team, at which point we can then properly assess things and look to make judgement afterwards.

Why give him the axe now, to start over yet again? We are can already just continue to heading in the right direction with proper reinforcements & correct player departures.

So to summarize, his first season we got the long awaited Serie A title, 2nd season we are still challenging for it up to the end (and could possibly win it) - If it wasn't for an unexplained number of injuries & unfortunate reffing errors, we could have still been ahead in Serie A, and possibly in the CL Semis. Not to mention that we had an fair showing in the CL (progression-wise) despite coming up against the undoubtedly best club in the world at them moment (4 times).

The guy clearly deserves another season. I think the best is yet to come.

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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 9 2012, 03:16 PM) *
I would be very excited about van Basten. He represents a philosophy of football opposite to that of Allegri's, and we desperately need an offensive Milan, characterized by ball possession and quality in the middle, instead of this huff-and-puff version that relies on long balls when the going gets tough.

No. Absolutely no. I can't understand Berlusconi. Why on heaven should we go for another adventure?? I mean, if van Basten is the alternative then I'd go with Allegri. At least Allegri won more then Basten did with Holland and Ajax plus Heerenveen now. If we make a change, I want someone with experience and prior success, someone who doesn't always have to run to Tassotti for help when needed.

@Zeddie, sorry but to say we need a change with Tassotti isn't just coldhearted, it's pointless and makes no sense. Bayern and most of the great teams always hang on to their coaching stuff. The intelligent defensive stuff comes from Tassotti as well - just think of Abate and the work he's done with him. No, no, no, this would be a grave mistake.
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post Apr 9 2012, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 9 2012, 09:17 PM) *
No. Absolutely no. I can't understand Berlusconi. Why on heaven should we go for another adventure?? I mean, if van Basten is the alternative then I'd go with Allegri. At least Allegri won more then Basten did with Holland and Ajax plus Heerenveen now. If we make a change, I want someone with experience and prior success, someone who doesn't always have to run to Tassotti for help when needed.

@Zeddie, sorry but to say we need a change with Tassotti isn't just coldhearted, it's pointless and makes no sense. Bayern and most of the great teams always hang on to their coaching stuff. The intelligent defensive stuff comes from Tassotti as well - just think of Abate and the work he's done with him. No, no, no, this would be a grave mistake.


+1 I'm not pro-allegri,but this is how I see it.Even,if you don't like Allegri at all,he's still a better option atm.


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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 9 2012, 05:59 PM) *
And we could have easily offered him a three-year deal if Allegri wanted to. That was just a poor excuse for them to get him the f@ck outta here.


On 6m a season? Let's be serious, he didn't play much in his final season and we won the title. And when he did all he seemed to do was launch long bombs to the forward players. I don't think he was worth keeping.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 9 2012, 09:47 PM) *
@Zeddie, sorry but to say we need a change with Tassotti isn't just coldhearted, it's pointless and makes no sense. Bayern and most of the great teams always hang on to their coaching stuff. The intelligent defensive stuff comes from Tassotti as well - just think of Abate and the work he's done with him. No, no, no, this would be a grave mistake.

I don't think there's anything coldhearted about wanting to see a completely new coaching staff someday. I'm not saying he's at fault or anything, but sometimes new personnel with different personality/mentality can change a lot of things within a club. I'm surprised you fail to acknowledge that. remember when everyone used to say our players and Carlo had become too friendly with each other and that held us back?
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X-Off, why are you so stubborn? Pirlo left clearly because of contract issues not because Allegri kicked him out. I realize you hate the guy's guts and want to associate him with every single bad thing that happens to this club, but it's obvious in this case what happened.

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QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Apr 9 2012, 07:12 PM) *
The thing is, in very little time Allegri has brought us back to the search for top. He has won us a league already and we can possibly win a next one still. Apart from our recent poor set of results and his most recent selection fail, overall he has done good. We can't keep on saying he likes strength over skill so because of that he is better suited for a small club coach; the fact is he is a couple good signings away from having a very good team, at which point we can then properly assess things and look to make judgement afterwards.

Why give him the axe now, to start over yet again? We are can already just continue to heading in the right direction with proper reinforcements & correct player departures.

So to summarize, his first season we got the long awaited Serie A title, 2nd season we are still challenging for it up to the end (and could possibly win it) - If it wasn't for an unexplained number of injuries & unfortunate reffing errors, we could have still been ahead in Serie A, and possibly in the CL Semis. Not to mention that we had an fair showing in the CL (progression-wise) despite coming up against the undoubtedly best club in the world at them moment (4 times).

The guy clearly deserves another season. I think the best is yet to come.


Back to the top? What's that supposed to mean? He won us the scudetto last season, when we practically had no opposition to face. Even a n00b would have been able to accomplish that, having to rely on Ibrahimovic all the time. Don't forget we got kicked out of Europe by frigging Tottenham! And let's not talk about the Arsenal debacle this season that nearly led to one of the greatest humiliations in our recent history. His dodgy decisions lost us the lead in the league, and now we might finish the season empty handed. How exactly does that translate into success? But most of all, the way we play under this guy is plain repulsive to my eyes. He's not and he'll never be a Milan-quality coach.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 9 2012, 10:38 PM) *
X-Off, why are you so stubborn? Pirlo left clearly because of contract issues not because Allegri kicked him out. I realize you hate the guy's guts and want to associate him with every single bad thing that happens to this club, but it's obvious in this case what happened.


No, for me Allegri was the main reason why Pirlo decided to leave. The contract was merely a pretext for us to offload him. Allegri didn't consider Pirlo capable enough to play in front of the defense. He wanted a classic DM in that position, which he first tried with Ambrosini and later with van Bommel after we signed him. Pirlo played the majority of games under Allegri as LCM, which was later covered by Seedorf. That's not his position, but Allegri had already decided on the formation. That's why Pirlo said he had decided to sign for Juventus since February. The issue of the contracts was not even discussed back then.
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 9 2012, 10:36 PM) *
I don't think there's anything coldhearted about wanting to see a completely new coaching staff someday. I'm not saying he's at fault or anything, but sometimes new personnel with different personality/mentality can change a lot of things within a club. I'm surprised you fail to acknowledge that. remember when everyone used to say our players and Carlo had become too friendly with each other and that held us back?

Sometimes yes, but this doesn't make sense. He's an excellent assistant coach who's crucial for the development of Abate and any new fullback a bit younger or less experienced. There's no need for a rush and sudden change: as said, big clubs don't usually change their assistant staff if it's working. And I don't see any signal! Tassotti isn't especially friendly with the team, he's much more introverted then Careletto (who's also introverted but differently) and even if he is friendly?? The coach must make a distance, the assistant has to bind the team and the coach. I think Mauro is doing a brilliant job as a bridge builder.


QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 9 2012, 10:38 PM) *
X-Off, why are you so stubborn? Pirlo left clearly because of contract issues not because Allegri kicked him out. I realize you hate the guy's guts and want to associate him with every single bad thing that happens to this club, but it's obvious in this case what happened.

No, I agree with X-O completely. It is tied, how can you separate those things? It doesn't have to do with hate -- I think everyone at Milan looked at Pirlo in a different way then at Inzaghi, Ambrosini, Gattuso or any of the 30+. Allegri was the one who convinced Galliani Milan can and will function without Andrea, and that's why we didn't consider his contract extension as a top priority.
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I still think had we not signed players like Ibra and friends, we'd have finished 3rd or lower again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) Allegri has got little to do with our success, except for the fact that he did not do anything major stupid. Decent tactics yes, but had he the same players Leo had in his year here, we'd have gotten no where. So in that regard he's lucky.

And in that regard, he is unlucky too. The management knows that they bought him new toys, and wants bigger results and higher ambitions. What they don't know is that this season our team has been decimated, cell by human cell. I actually give Allegri more credit for this season than last years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Regardless, I want a Scudetto.
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No MvB for me.

X-Off....I understand what you're saying about philosophy and I agree, but in that case I'd like to put a few new names into the hat:

- Spalletti
- Montella
- Lucien Favre
- Rijkaard

---in that order.
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I'd give Allegri another season,and if it doesn't work..I'd bring Montella in if he's still doing his magic with Catania.
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I don't get the sentiment for experiment. Ain't you guys sick and tired of coaches who've never lead a team to a big success? In the early 2000's even Ancelotti was taken as a gamble, and he had trophies already won. I know Milan has a rich tradition of inventing coaches, but I think if we move on from Allegri it has to be someone with reputation, someone with prior achievements. Spalletti IMO is the upgraded version of Ranieri, good or even very good but never there to make the final mile. Montella still has much to learn. Favre is one of my favorites in Germany, but he's the ideal small club coach and his tactics might appear too defensively oriented.

As said before, I'd take don Fabio, Lippi or Rijkaard. If we wanna play with new names, let's give Billy a shot.
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