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post Sep 22 2010, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 06:29 PM) *
Well, I would agree with you on the spot, but I really can't see our board making six new signings like that.

Well those are signings we need. And if they neglect them again for another season we can have God himself in attack, it really wouldn't matter.

We'll see what happens. Most pobably we'll be seeing the same old midfield trio for another season, huffing and puffing without accomplishing anything. The tragedy that is Oddo still in the team, etc, etc.

All those youngsters you mentioned are never going to be considered direct second choice, and imo I doubt there are more then 3 players that you mentioned who will even be good enough.
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post Sep 22 2010, 10:57 PM
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...so, just as a little market research, are there any good coaches currently unemployed? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (Linkman @ Sep 22 2010, 03:57 PM) *
...so, just as a little market research, are there any good coaches currently unemployed? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

none. Still too early. I say give allegri until november. its still has only been 4 games.
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 12:02 AM) *
none. Still too early. I say give allegri until november. its still has only been 4 games.


No man, let's give him time until January. Hell, let's give him time until May! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Last season, at this point, Leo done better than Allegri by having a much more pathetic team. Says all.
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 04:06 PM) *
No man, let's give him time until January. Hell, let's give him time until May! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Last season, at this point, Leo done better than Allegri by having a much more pathetic team. Says all.

There is no one else available who could coach milan right now. Who do you want Tassotti? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 12:08 AM) *
There is no one else available who could coach milan right now. Who do you want Tassotti? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I don't want anyone. I just don't find it logical you saying "Let's give him time until November". By then, Inter will be throwing darts at us from a 20 point difference. Allegri should provide results now, and fast!

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post Sep 22 2010, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 04:10 PM) *
I don't want anyone. I just don't find it logical you saying "Let's give him time until November". By then, Inter will be throwing darts at us from a 20 point difference. Allegri should provide results now, and fast!

Not going to happen. He's shocking and its shown he should have went to lazio or another mid table club first.

Its clear hes not ready for this level of pressure yet. Right now our only option is to hope that things get changed and quick.


If we sack him we'll be in a far worst position if we bring someone of equal calibre. Only way we can sack him is if there someone of ancelotti or mourinho level available. Someone like hiddink but he doesn't like Italy so he's not in the picture.


Sacking him and bringing Van Basten won't make a difference.

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post Sep 23 2010, 05:59 AM
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Capello. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) I made a post in the match thread about it.
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post Sep 23 2010, 06:44 AM
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I think people are just over reacting, had we won the last three Serie A games, they wouldn't be discussing the state of the midfield/defense.

It is the start of the season, form has always been low at this point and picks up by the end of September. Sure we could have won all the games, but form would still be low.

I agree with the notion that Seedorf and co. should give way to younger players with more to give, but younger players don't have the vision to release Ibrahimovic (Lazio v Milan 66min) like that. And hence bias could be derived from hindsight.

I think the fact that Boateng had broken into the first team speaks volumes in the direction the club is taking when bringing in fresh legs to aid the team.

Moreover, people are pointing out the short coming of Allegri, someone who has never held the rains of a massive club like ours. He needs time, his ideas are fresh while the fact teams we faced so far defend in numbers is not enough for us to pass judgment on him just yet. Last season, we only realised Leonardo's ability when we faced Madrid, prior to that we were a midtable team at best.

In closing, we just need time for form to pick up, the team and Ibrahimovic to familiarize, and Allegri to perfect a line up and formation.
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post Sep 23 2010, 07:10 AM
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Yes I agree. But at some point we need to say this much time and no more. Which is pretty much why bluey and I are saying November.

Get a new coach in, so that by December, he's got an idea of the team and any shortcomings can be remedied.

I think Capello is best..but probably impossible. And not better in the long run. Rijkaard is unavailable. Hiddink doesn't like Italy. Anyone wants to call Tabarez back? Maybe he'll be better this time round. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You're not considering Van Basten and/or Donadoni seriously right?
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post Sep 23 2010, 07:23 AM
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-1 v. Basten and Donadoni...

Yes guys, all you've said is true. But criticism of Allegri is definitely in order, mainly because most of it is completely unrelated to the new signings. Boateng on the wing, the unexplainable late subs, his devotion to Seedorf and Bonera... If it were up to me, I wouldn't sack him after 3 bad games either. But still.

Oh, and anybody feels lucky enough to open the Genoa thread? I would, but I don't think I've been here long enough... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 23 2010, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE (Linkman @ Sep 23 2010, 12:53 PM) *
-1 v. Basten and Donadoni...

Yes guys, all you've said is true. But criticism of Allegri is definitely in order, mainly because most of it is completely unrelated to the new signings. Boateng on the wing, the unexplainable late subs, his devotion to Seedorf and Bonera... If it were up to me, I wouldn't sack him after 3 bad games either. But still.

Oh, and anybody feels lucky enough to open the Genoa thread? I would, but I don't think I've been here long enough... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Well he did say right at the beginning that he was trying to for the 4-4-2. We needed to see if it would work..and we know it does and doesn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

In a way it works, because the problem the 4-3-3 has with counters is solved, and it doesn't because once again the conduit from defence to midfield to attack is not there.

Our biggest problem right now is the mid-field. This is where we're losing the battle...and this I think is our biggest problem.
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post Sep 23 2010, 08:01 AM
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Allegri imo is trying some weird systems out that arguably do not work.


He's trying to do the impossible. He's trying to fit in a system thats fluid with a static team. Something that won't happen.



our best bet for points has always been this. Defend with the midfield and defence, Counter with the attackers.


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4-4-2 quick run down:


-x--x---x---x
-x---x--x---x
-----x---x----



Most common formation in the world. Easiest to stop.

Points of attack.

1)Down the wings via ground or air.

2) Strikers via ground or air.


Requirements:

1)Fast wingers

2)Fast forewards

3)Mobile midfielders with technical ability

4) Zonal defending




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If we wanted to pull it off it would look like this at best:

-zamb-nesta-silva-antonini
-abate-boateng-flamini-robinho
----------pato--Odu




Fast wings, mobile mid with ability and fast up front.



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with the line up in the lazio game, this wouldn't work.


Okay next on the line is 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1.


We'll see how those work out. He'll try one of them this weekend forsure.

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Time to go back to the 4-4-2 diamond. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Sep 23 2010, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 23 2010, 08:10 AM) *
Yes I agree. But at some point we need to say this much time and no more. Which is pretty much why bluey and I are saying November.

Get a new coach in, so that by December, he's got an idea of the team and any shortcomings can be remedied.

I think Capello is best..but probably impossible. And not better in the long run. Rijkaard is unavailable. Hiddink doesn't like Italy. Anyone wants to call Tabarez back? Maybe he'll be better this time round. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You're not considering Van Basten and/or Donadoni seriously right?


I don't think we will win Serie A nor the Champions League, not this season at least.

Capello wont coach any other team along with the England job; he has a clause on his contract with England which stipulates that.

I agree with you, in that enough is enough when our stride is not found come November. But that is premature as of yet, since our performance yesterday was an improvment to the previous outings in Serie A this season (Bar 1st game). I believe the team will perform better as the season progresses, but I rule out any winning medals.
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