Your camp?

I agree with you...plus we don't know the whole story. He could have left Tassotti in charge.

He's done it twice, ro. Once is perhaps understandable. Twice in a month is neither understandable nor acceptable. I dont' buy the 'he's stressed and needs a break' argument either. if a month of the regular season has him jetting off to brazil then i hate to see what condition he'll be in by Christmas if he's not in the hospital.

I'm stunned that so many people are willing to shift as much blame as possible away from Leonardo. Is he in no way responsible for his own actions?

+1.

What irks me, is that it's only now that the management is being accused of not supporting the coach.

In any case, I don't think this team is as bad as our position claims. We've had a run of easy fixtures and we've sucked. It's only going to get harder from here on in.

For Leo to keep his job, it's gonna require something magical from R80. I'm still hopeful. I don't want to see Leo fired. I think it would be really sad.

I dont think having Leo at the training ground really makes that much of a difference. Like I said earlier in another post, I highly doubt he makes all the decisions; I don't think he even makes 50% of the decisions.

Galli and Tassotti alongside him form a trident coaching partnership with Leo being the figurehead. That is why I don't really blame him. He doesn't make that much of a difference to deserve the blame. Alot of his decisions come from either Tassotti during games or Galli during training. There is no f*cking I will believe that Leo actually runs all the training sessions with his ideology. If that were the case we def wouldn't see 4-3-1-2 on the field.

If I was going to blame someone I'd blame the management and the other coaches in Milan who are deemed so much to be worldclass. I guess that label was incorrect as Carlo was the only one worldclass.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 15 2009, 07:51 AM

he's a hard worker (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) head coach, head scout.....
i'll give him benefit of doubt and assume he's tryna sign his own players

Just an fyi for folks who aren't watching stuff closely -- Galli isn't doing anything with the first team. He's in charge of the youth squads.

And I see no evidence of Tassotti giving input on either training or during games. I think Leo's in charge and that if there is advice offered, it probably isn't being taken.

I disagree, I think Tassotti is making alot of the decisions and Galli is advising/setting up alot of the things that are occuring.

I don't believe that Leo actually has made an impact at all on the squad as we play, look, feel the same way as carlo's milan and that is tassotti and Galli at work; not leo.

In games also you can see Tassotti and Leo talking before every sub, every decision. Its evident he's not making any decisions on his own.

Gali is the primavera coach, he advises on the development of his squad. Tassotti knows the side all to well, and should carry part of the blame if the team is not doing as it is told. But on the most part Leonardo is to blame, as he has yet to get a convincing result. Against Marsielle, probably the only positive game we played. But the rest, it is clear where the problem is. Not withstanding the loss of Kaka, we just don't have any personality anymore. We go on the field and dont do enough while still conceding ridiculous goals.

I was one who really wanted a change from Carlo and his stagnated midfield. But truth be told, under Carlo we really had a personality when taking the pitch. And I think that has a lot to do with the quality of the coach that you have, if for instance we take Rijkaard, just for the sake of example, a man who has won the champions league both as a coach and player, he would automatically win over the confidence of the players as they know he is a winning coach. Hence, that would in most cases, even when the going gets tough, the team would react positively as they know they are spearheaded by a winning coach.

But having Leonardo, I mean many wanted him here. Claiming he would bring a much needed change and that he would bring youth etc etc. But what about credentials? He is a very good scout, but so far he has one of the worst records of any coach just starting out. Forget about his results against Inter/Juve/Roma, what of his results against teams like Zurich and the likes?

In closing, sure Tassotti shares a portion of the blame, but the major defect if you will is without a doubt from the rookie.

In case people have trouble with reading comprehension, I'll repeat: Galli is having nothing whatsoever to do with the first team this year. Nothing at all. He's in charge of the entire youth setup. So how he'd be telling the coach of the first team what to do when he's not even present at the training or on the bench during games is quite beyond me. (link to first team staff list) (link to club org list that has Galli as in charge of the youth team).

As for Tassotti's influence - all we know for sure is that we've seen Leonardo talking to him during games. Nobody knows for sure what has been said and what actions have been taken as a result of what's been said.

The one demonstrable change to the way things are done so far has been the training regimen. There was a lot of fuss made about this at the beginning of preseason because there was a lot of work immediately with the ball - and this new change in training was attributed at the time to Leonardo.

Now, given that fitness (ie, being in shape) is looking to be an issue of concern to the squad in general and given that fitness is something that's improved with good training, I think it's not unreasonable to conclude that these new training methods (and the lack of trainign when the coach goes on holiday) are not as effective as the ones that were used under the previous regime (and which Tassotti would be very familiar with).

So therefore I think it's only fair for me to think that Leo is responsible for some of the problems.

Galli is an advisor to the program. When Leo got hired, there were mentions that he and Tassotti alongside Leo would develop a long term program for the team. The team info means nothing because that is his job during the day, but the coach doesn't go home at 5. They stay after practice, watch videos of the team train and discuss issues, which Galli is a part of. Secondly, he is the director of youth, that means hes not coaching any specific team. He is watching over the program as a whole. Therefore, he doesn't have to be at the youth facility every minute of everyday so he has time to go to first team practices if he wishes.

In our team Galli has his UEFA Pro license and Tassotti and Togna and Leo have their UEFA A liscence, which means that Galli is the main adviser for the team and the most senior coach in this scenario. Last season when Carlo was here, Galli did not presume this job and was head of youth but this season the team's advisor is Galli alongside Tassotti and Leo.

Now with the training methods, they are obvious. Every coach likes to do different things and I'm sure because of Carlo's failure in the past they wanted to change the training style of the squad in order to achieve more success, hense the ball work because our squad is unbelievable slow on the ball.

The fitness thing I agree with and it was an amateurish mistake on all counts of the squad but I blame Togna because hes the responsible figure in this section. But these guys are well educated enough to know if Leo is making a mistake on the fitness thing and should have corrected him.


I also don't think that the coach going on holidays would make any difference with this squad. Its not training, its motivation and discpline that are the problem. We cannot train Ronaldinho or seedorf to become better, its the mental aspect that needs work. Therefore, no amount of hours spent on the training ground will do the team any good. Players who have recieved benefit from the training ground are the likes of Abate and the younger guys, which then again isn't exactly covered by Leo because hes not out there putting cones and running drills.

Also I don't doubt Leo is part of the problem, he is. He can't motivate a squad and can't handle the man management and pressure that a team like milan demands. But he cannot take the majority of the blame as the idiots surrounding him are as clueless as him right now.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 15 2009, 08:24 PM

Blue, you've got no proof that, aside from one announcement, Galli has anything at all to do with the first squad. Perhaps, just perhaps, things changed after that announcement. And can you please find proof (with links) that Galli is part of tactical discussions and that his presence at training is guaranteed? Because I've seen no evidence of it so for now I'm calling bull**** on those statements.

Absolving LEonardo of a lot of the fault is also being far too generous to the guy. He he shouldn't be jetting off on holiday once a month (can you name a coach in any top european league who does that?). He's the one who's setting the training - and if he's in charge maybe he's not listening to what TOgnaccini and Tassotti are telling him. Clearly the buck should stop with him, if he's a person who takes responsibility for his actions.

Personally, I am beginning to wonder if there's a degree of passive resistance going on among some of the squad and possibly some of the coaching staff. Despite public statements to the press, I don't think there's a lot of real support or confidence in Leonardo by many of the players and I'm not at all sure that there's much confidence in him by the rest of the coaching staff ---- nor do I think he's earned any. He's been unprofessional and amateurish and should have known better than to take the job. The passive resistance, imho, may be showing up in the players and assistants doing exactly what Leonardo asks of them even if they're fully aware that it's not going to work.

I'll try to find it, there were several articles on the subject of the three forming a trident when Leo first got hired back in may/june.


Don't agree with any of the bolded parts as coaching cannot be categorized with the regular definition of employment. I also don't believe that the organization has been put in Leo's hands to do whatever he wants with it. Secondly, its ironic how you can tell him to take blame for his actions when everyone else can clearly see that working with this squad is impossible. When your best player is Ronaldinho, you've got problems. He hasn't been given a fair chance to coach so I don't see how he is responsible for any of carlo's mess. If he was given the 3-5 players he asked for then fair enough, then you can call him an amatuer and a person who should have done better with the resources he had.

But he was given nothing. He asked for Fabiano, a versatile striker, he was given a box striker Huntelaar. He asked for a fullback, he was given a washed up oddo who was expected to do things. He asked for a centre back he was given Onyewu. Furthermore, he was given Roma when he asked for a proper GK and was given Di Gennaro when he asked for a Treq.

How you blame someone when they receive a squad like this is beyond me. I cannot understand your reasoning.

Well, they're not in shape. That's on Leo (which you agreed with two days ago). The tactics employed don't play to the strengths of the players at Leo's disposal (that's also on the coach). The substitutions have been questionable at times (also the coach). The coach has gone on transcontinental vacations twice in the space of 6 weeks (definitely on the coach).

Dont' forget that Ancelotti also never got the players he asked for - or got them 4 or so years after he asked for them. He was able to cobble together a squad that was at least respectable.

Yeah ofcourse fitness is on Leo but the fact that no one around him said anything is just stupid. Those around him have to advise him properly and they haven't been doing that.

The subs yes are his fault, but last time I checked carlo wasn't perfect at them either.

Vacation means nothing; so what he took a few days to brazil to relax. Its a stress full job, you would do the same if the team you were coaching is in 12th and everyone is blaming you.

Ancelotti is different


I'm sure carlo would be in the same position if he was thrown into this team with no exp and expected miracles to come true.

This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Oct 15 2009, 08:59 PM