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post Jul 9 2009, 02:01 PM
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Milan, there is an offer for Fabiano. Huntelaar is a goal

"The Milan has made a formal proposal to Sevilla for Luis Fabiano and the player is happy and proud of this." Said Jose Fuentes, agent Fabiano Lusi, in connection with Sky Sports 24. AC Milan, then, has for motto "O Fabuloso," the center of Brazil and Seville in Confederations Cup that saw two goals to the Azzurri. "The player - continued Fuentes - has already said that his desire is to play in Milan next season. I do not know the amount of the bid, but there is this formal proposal and is also very important that the player has said who wants Milan, now it is up to the club rossonero and find the Seville Agreement, and then I attended my talk with Milan. rescissoria and Clause 'of 30 million, but Luis Fabiano has completed a cycle 4 years with Sevilla, AC Milan now has a great opportunity for him. Again, the player has said publicly that he wants to come in Italy, now it is up to the two clubs to agree. I think it will take 2-3 weeks for delivery, no more. " Rossonero the club should get a steep discount compared to 30 million set out in clause rescissoria.

"We try a tip that does not arrive by Monday. But nothing changes, the championship begins August 23 and there is time." Adriano Galliani, the Milan managing director, the microphones of SKY Sport24 responds to questions about campaign rossonera purchases. AC Milan is looking for a center forward. To whom does the name of Dutch Klaas Jan Huntelaar and Luis Fabiano of Brazil, he replied: "More or less." To Dutch as Real Madrid, the same Galliani seems about to leave for Spain and begin negotiations with the blancos of Florentino Perez.
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post Jul 9 2009, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jul 9 2009, 06:05 PM) *
It's all Huntelaar's problem that we don't want him... he's not Brazilian (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


And also that he cannot do what Fabiano does. Since he's a lot less mobile.

I'm guessing with Huntelaar it wouldn't be a 4-3-3, but more of a proper 4-3-1-2. While that wouldn't be there with Fabiano.

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post Jul 9 2009, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 9 2009, 02:23 PM) *
And also that he cannot do what Fabiano does. Since he's a lot less mobile.

I'm guessing with Huntelaar it wouldn't be a 4-3-3, but more of a proper 4-3-1-2. While that wouldn't be there with Fabiano.


Yeah i think Leo will stick with the 4-3-1-2 if we buy Fabiano as it takes time to completly change the formation people have to come in
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post Jul 9 2009, 03:49 PM
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Yup..but while on paper it would be a 4-3-1-2, it wouldn't function exactly like that. It would be more free roaming. Now would that be possible with Huntelaar, I don't know.
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post Jul 9 2009, 04:02 PM
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@ han:



So tell me if we did spend around 70 million this transfer season, would you start believing in this project? I didn't say 3 world class players, I said 1 great CF, 1 good CB, 1 decent mid. Oneywu is a good defender and we are lucky we got him for free because his price tag is easily 10 million right now after his confed cup performances.


Di gennaro and abate are good players, I used to think they were trash too until I started to watch a few of reggina's and torino's games. They will surprise you, like they surprised me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)



Final note: I'm not trying to defend what Galliani does, I don't like it as much as everyone else here but we gotta think realisticlly. We don't have silvio anymore. Thats 30 million gone AT THE VERY LEAST every season. So yes were not going to be as strong in the market as we were in the past. But i'm not gonna jump ship just because things got a little bit difficult and neither are you because we are true fans and often agree. I am just trying to clarify what actually has happened here, not defend it per say.

I have a good feeling that Milan this season will do really well. Last season I was not so confident but this season seeing Leo gives me a new hope. I think a change in coach was what we really needed more than anything else. All the players have said he is very stimulating in training, (not sexually (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) so I have hope that maybe he can do things that carlo was too stubborn to do, win the serie A (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 8 2009, 11:38 PM) *
And @ blue I don't know where you got this notion from that Milan have money to spend. Because Galliani made it pretty clear that we don't have any as the Kaka and Yoann money already went into taking care of the books.

The real stupid thing is that we've spent around 15m making idiotic co-ownership deals. That is what's happening here.

So don't try and defend this BS. They went the youth route because its cheaper. But if you're really going to do this well try actually getting good youngsters not your own kids that barely made it to the Reggina starting line-up

And no there will be no 3 world class players coming in, we'll be lucky to get Fabiano and I don't know about you but I certainly wouldn't classify him as World Class (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

In all fairness Regginas coach was an idiot.
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post Jul 9 2009, 04:10 PM
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AC Milan GM Adriano Galliani told Gazzetta dello Sport : "With the signing of Oguchi Onyewu, our defence is now complete and we are not interested in FC Porto left-back Aly Cissokho or in other players anymore. Moreover, we count on Alessandro Nesta, who has recovered from his terrible back injury. Our transfer market is almost over".


Oh how I love how you can lie straight up and somehow make everyone believe you. Not only that you have been doing this for 20 years straight and works like a charm.


our market is far from over, this bullsh*tter pull this stunt every year, its rather getting tiresome now. Why don't you just tell people the truth instead of beating around the bush.
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post Jul 9 2009, 04:42 PM
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Porto Defender Aly Cissokho Could Still Join Milan - Agent
The left-back may still make his way to the San Siro, according to his representative...

Porto's youngster Aly Cissokho nearly completed a transfer to Milan before a failed medical, due to an alleged problem with his teeth. However, the player's agent, Fabrizio Ferrari, claims he could still make his way to Serie A.

"Currently, the negotiations have not been completely abandoned, but at the moment nothing is happening, we'll see in the coming days," he explained to MilanNews.

"Aly wants Milan, his desire is undoubtedly Milan."

However, the representative also made it clear that his client had other suitors.

"So far only Lyon has made an offer, but it was rejected. We were only focusing on Milan, unfortunately now we also have to pursue other options," he confirmed.

Cissokho just joined Porto in January 2009, but his excellent performances under coach Jesualdo Ferreira have made him one of the top prospects in Europe.

Yesterday, Rossoneri vice-president Adriano Galliani claimed that Cissokho was no longer an objective on the transfer market.
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post Jul 9 2009, 04:51 PM
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I have faith in Di Gennaro and Abate. I do not consider them to be very good but then again I don't think I would consider any of Barcelona's home grown player to be very good if they played for low quality teams. We always say we don't give our young players a chance well this may be what we were looking for so I'll wait to see them play first before coming to a conclusion

PS I'm a bit biased against Abate since he's a winger and I don't really like their kind while Di Gennaro's style hit me from the very first moment. He runs in a weird way but he's got potential.
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post Jul 9 2009, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 9 2009, 04:02 PM) *
@ han:

So tell me if we did spend around 70 million this transfer season, would you start believing in this project? I didn't say 3 world class players, I said 1 great CF, 1 good CB, 1 decent mid. Oneywu is a good defender and we are lucky we got him for free because his price tag is easily 10 million right now after his confed cup performances.

Hmm you lost me when you said we'll spend 70m. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) We won't even spend a 4th of that

1 great CF will be our limit if that because they're already talking about not getting anyone if Sevilla don't reduce their asking price of 20m for Fabiano. Onyewu came on a free and he's a mystery to me, I don't like to judge players only based on summer tournaments, if that were the case then you'de have a team full of duds as lots of average players tend to perform out of their skins for the odd international tournamenet. The only reason they went for him is because he was out of contract nothing more nothing less.

Regarding the decent mid. I don't see anyone coming in. And I'd prefer not buying anyone if we're going to just buy just for the sake of it. Like we did with Emerson, Vogel, etc We either buy someone that could take Seedorf's place or we shouldn't even bother with it.

I know you're counting the wasted money on buying back our own players from co-ownership as part of that 70m you're somehow predicting we'll spend but to me, that's all wasted and would have been happier had we used it to get more gardeners for the San Siro turf (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Abate is the only one I would have wanted back as he's the only one that has a realistic shot of making it and maybe even hold a spot. All the others? Di Gennaro is not good enough and Zigoni and Barretta are unknown quantities and probably are not ready.

This project imo is a disaster waiting to happen. We should have started planning for it earlier. You don't just suddenly wake up one morning, have a team full of 30 plus players and say "I don't want to spend anymore money on the club, lets start pulling our kids from the primavera and putting them in the first team" It just does not work that way and this is what they're doing. How can you suddenly expect the club to stand on foundations that are made out of sand? Because this is what they're doing. They're expecting kids from the primavera to suddenly break through when in the past they did not give a rat's @ss about it. This is not a project. But Silvio again washing his hands of any financial responsabilites towards the club. And this will only lead us into mediocrity

I don't want to be an I told you so person, because I hate those people, but when in 2 years time we're a midtable team scraping for UEFA Cup I'm sorry Europa Cup football you'll see who was right and who was wrong in this.
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 9 2009, 04:51 PM) *
I have faith in Di Gennaro and Abate. I do not consider them to be very good but then again I don't think I would consider any of Barcelona's home grown player to be very good if they played for low quality teams. We always say we don't give our young players a chance well this may be what we were looking for so I'll wait to see them play first before coming to a conclusion

I'm all for giving youngsters the chance. But I'm against what we're trying to do which is going from one extreme to the other.

First the kids could barely make a bench sitting on Coppa matches and suddenly we're promoting every kid that can run from the primavera to the full team in the hopes of fillinf the team and shutting the fans up by saying we have enough players
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 9 2009, 05:03 PM) *
I'm all for giving youngsters the chance. But I'm against what we're trying to do which is going from one extreme to the other.

First the kids could barely make a bench sitting on Coppa matches and suddenly we're promoting every kid that can run from the primavera to the full team in the hopes of fillinf the team and shutting the fans up by saying we have enough players


my feelings exactly, we're filling up the team with these guys but they've gotta have playing time if they're to develop, for instance antonini showed some talent last season& had he got plenty more playing time we might not be contemplating gettin another full back, also gourcuff wouldn't have left for cheap, viudez would have played more than one minute, what about flamini too?
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post Jul 9 2009, 08:28 PM
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I don't want to be an I told you so person, because I hate those people, but when in 2 years time we're a mid table team scraping for UEFA Cup I'm sorry Europa Cup football you'll see who was right and who was wrong in this


This isn't quite my prediction but i do believe the next 2-3 years we will struggle...depends on the 3 or 4 places for the C.L. we will be behind the usual 2 and possibly the Viola...as i posted in another thread the fixation with the early 90's success has many people biased as to where we should be and what we should be winning...we are a club in a transitional period and a crucial one at that were this could dictate the long term future and stature of the club.

At the moment we are getting by on our recent past and the clubs prestige but for how long?
There will be a time when that won't be enough to attract players no doubt we will hear from a player in the not to distant future "I didn't choose to go to A.C Milan because i want to win things"
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post Jul 9 2009, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (mishie @ Jul 9 2009, 07:28 PM) *
This isn't quite my prediction but i do believe the next 2-3 years we will struggle...depends on the 3 or 4 places for the C.L. we will be behind the usual 2 and possibly the Viola...as i posted in another thread the fixation with the early 90's success has many people biased as to where we should be and what we should be winning...we are a club in a transitional period and a crucial one at that were this could dictate the long term future and stature of the club.

At the moment we are getting by on our recent past and the clubs prestige but for how long?
There will be a time when that won't be enough to attract players no doubt we will hear from a player in the not to distant future "I didn't choose to go to A.C Milan because i want to win things"

Agreed.

But I do think that there is one way to go through a transitional period and another and Milan are going down the wrong route. Its so obvious the mistakes they've made over the last few seasons. The fact that they choose to overlook what is already in front of them and going for the South Americans. I'm talking about overlooking players like Cigarini, Criscito, etc You've got the mid table teams in Serie A exchanging these players for small ammounts of money and instead of pouncing on them we're wasting time trying to get the first Brazilian that comes up on the radar
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 9 2009, 08:34 PM) *
Agreed.

But I do think that there is one way to go through a transitional period and another and Milan are going down the wrong route. Its so obvious the mistakes they've made over the last few seasons. The fact that they choose to overlook what is already in front of them and going for the South Americans. I'm talking about overlooking players like Cigarini, Criscito, etc You've got the mid table teams in Serie A exchanging these players for small ammounts of money and instead of pouncing on them we're wasting time trying to get the first Brazilian that comes up on the radar


My concern for this fetish was noted early into last season and the situation hasn't improved as we all know it's getting worse.
There are many reasons for this and some will agree strongly and vica versa but heres my take on the situation

1. A coach will always favour his own nationalilty but this started before Leo was appointed so that doesn't make sense.
2. scouting...as in is there any happening? Any club small or large should surely be on the look out for these talented home grown players..daily in the english press i read aresenal have signed...Everton are looking at....all from smaller clubs yet we get playerx from brazil..or brazilian playerY etc etc
3. The coaching set-up..now i'm talking about the great Franco i'm talking at the induction level..how can so many players enter the set-up and hardly produce anything there has to be a dissection of the process and the criterea needed to be either a coach or what the player needs.
4.Money, we all know that more or less that Don Silvio's investment in the club has finished..so this relates to point 2...invest some money and huge sums aren't needed in a more expansive scouting network across Italy.

So in summary i believe fundamentals at the club have been neglected now is the time to rebuild not just on the pitch but off it to!
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